I have two points: there is no data to support that poverty has anything to do with criminal behavior. Assuming that poor people commit crimes is abhorrent. That is stereotyping without any evidence. If Ms. Salvati believes poverty is a leading cause of crime in the US she needs to read and travel more. What is considered poverty in the US would be upper middle class in many other countries. I know because I have lived there.
Two, there used to be lots of people that did not commit crimes - not because they were afraid of being caught but because laws are made to protect society and crimes hurt people and they did not want to risk hurting someone. You do not speed down streets because you might hit someone not because a policeman is waiting. Maybe the breakdown of the family by progressives and removing God from schools might have something to do with the honor deficit we now see. You could never have enough police to create a safe society if the majority of people do not need police.
Have you ever lived in the hood? Peering out from a white protective bubble is a completely different experience. You sorely need some field experience.
By living in the hood I assume you mean living in poverty areas. Yes, I have spent time in poor areas. I have been called “Whitey” and asked what I’m doing there and told I don’t belong there. I have seen gun violence, groups of young men hanging out and harassing other people. These same poor neighborhoods also have even more kind and generous people. The vast majority of poor people would never commit a crime. I have also lived around the world and that gives you a completely different perspective on what it is like to live in the US and what being poor really is. If you want to solve a problem you have to identify the root cause.
This doesn't directly relate, but close: "Confessions of a Recovering Civil Engineer" speaks to the extent that people use common sense in their driving, rather than obey laws. Extrapolating from there, I think normal people tend to live in accordance with the Golden Rule, rather than any particular laws. But, there's the few who care not for either the Golden Rule or the law. THEY are the topic of consideration, here.
I think it's diversion to concentrate on the race of any particular criminal or his acts. The question is, is he a CRIMINAL? If he is, then he should be in prison. And I chose "He", because most wanton criminals are men. Am I a sexist for pointing that out?
The economic backgrounds of prisoners in every nation on earth is not consistent with your position that 'there is no data to support poverty has anything to do with criminal behaviour'.
Prisoners are poorer than the general public. Yes, some richer criminals might escape justice. But poverty, when combined with injustice or lack of opportunity or bad habits, can foster envy / ingratitude / hopelessness / lack of self-reflection / lack of idealism.
'Justice is what love looks like in public' - Cornel West.
Correct. However, I think that the claim in general from the political left is something more like:
They can’t help it. Scarcity inspires crime. That is, the high crime rates are linked causally with poverty. One can find studies of varying relevance to bolster or contradict that claim.
In my opinion, there's way too much variation in crime rates among different ethnic groups even after accounting for SES for poverty to be the primary determinant of crime.
East Asia presents one of the most interesting case studies because over the past 40 years or so since China started its rapid modernization post-Mao, there has been very little difference between China and wealthier countries in the region such as Japan or South Korea when it comes to things like crime or educational attainment. Given that SES is universally held to be the primary causal factor behind most life outcomes, the fact that there has been no real correlation between SES and things like crime or educational attainment in a region comprising 20% of the global population surely constitutes one of the most non-trivial and interesting data points worthy of study.
I have two points: there is no data to support that poverty has anything to do with criminal behavior. Assuming that poor people commit crimes is abhorrent. That is stereotyping without any evidence. If Ms. Salvati believes poverty is a leading cause of crime in the US she needs to read and travel more. What is considered poverty in the US would be upper middle class in many other countries. I know because I have lived there.
Two, there used to be lots of people that did not commit crimes - not because they were afraid of being caught but because laws are made to protect society and crimes hurt people and they did not want to risk hurting someone. You do not speed down streets because you might hit someone not because a policeman is waiting. Maybe the breakdown of the family by progressives and removing God from schools might have something to do with the honor deficit we now see. You could never have enough police to create a safe society if the majority of people do not need police.
Have you ever lived in the hood? Peering out from a white protective bubble is a completely different experience. You sorely need some field experience.
By living in the hood I assume you mean living in poverty areas. Yes, I have spent time in poor areas. I have been called “Whitey” and asked what I’m doing there and told I don’t belong there. I have seen gun violence, groups of young men hanging out and harassing other people. These same poor neighborhoods also have even more kind and generous people. The vast majority of poor people would never commit a crime. I have also lived around the world and that gives you a completely different perspective on what it is like to live in the US and what being poor really is. If you want to solve a problem you have to identify the root cause.
This doesn't directly relate, but close: "Confessions of a Recovering Civil Engineer" speaks to the extent that people use common sense in their driving, rather than obey laws. Extrapolating from there, I think normal people tend to live in accordance with the Golden Rule, rather than any particular laws. But, there's the few who care not for either the Golden Rule or the law. THEY are the topic of consideration, here.
I think it's diversion to concentrate on the race of any particular criminal or his acts. The question is, is he a CRIMINAL? If he is, then he should be in prison. And I chose "He", because most wanton criminals are men. Am I a sexist for pointing that out?
https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Recovering-Civil-Engineer-Transportation/dp/1119699290
The economic backgrounds of prisoners in every nation on earth is not consistent with your position that 'there is no data to support poverty has anything to do with criminal behaviour'.
Prisoners are poorer than the general public. Yes, some richer criminals might escape justice. But poverty, when combined with injustice or lack of opportunity or bad habits, can foster envy / ingratitude / hopelessness / lack of self-reflection / lack of idealism.
'Justice is what love looks like in public' - Cornel West.
Correct. However, I think that the claim in general from the political left is something more like:
They can’t help it. Scarcity inspires crime. That is, the high crime rates are linked causally with poverty. One can find studies of varying relevance to bolster or contradict that claim.
In my opinion, there's way too much variation in crime rates among different ethnic groups even after accounting for SES for poverty to be the primary determinant of crime.
East Asia presents one of the most interesting case studies because over the past 40 years or so since China started its rapid modernization post-Mao, there has been very little difference between China and wealthier countries in the region such as Japan or South Korea when it comes to things like crime or educational attainment. Given that SES is universally held to be the primary causal factor behind most life outcomes, the fact that there has been no real correlation between SES and things like crime or educational attainment in a region comprising 20% of the global population surely constitutes one of the most non-trivial and interesting data points worthy of study.