If anybody accepts The broad-based logical tenets your son is professing then we are doomed. People are allowed to have disagreements but there is no need to be disagreeable or aggressive with one another. Your son can do whatever he wants, other people can think whatever they want about it. Whatever somebody might choose to believe or not believe based upon what another person thinks about them is foolish. People need to stand up and be strong and accept that others acceptance or rejection of their life it's not hate it's just a difference of opinions.
If you're going to be bold and daring in life you need to have courage of your convictions and stand your ground. Forcing everybody to accept you, to love you, to support you, or to seek to cancel those that do not, is a Fool's errand and makes those who could choose to be strong weaker than they ever would have been otherwise.
It is a manifestation of hate to believe a person deserves the sort of punishment as has been variously described by the Catholic church for people who don't follow its creed. It not simply a " difference of opiniom." The perspective the Catholic church has towards homosexuals is hateful.
But, whatever, I see what and why they hate, and I judge it as immoral and shameful. I don't view hate itself as immoral though. Expressing or condoning hatred of what is innocent or good is immoral though. And I righteously judge the Catholic church as a doctrine of sin. And I do so without any desire to use violence to prevent them from sharing their views. I think Catholics should be legally allowed to live in sin. The sin they commit isn't at the level where I'd view it as something that should be a crime. Catholics should be allowed to legally worship imaginary evil deities and try to convince others to do the same. And I should be legally allowed to point out their sin. And not to be " disagreeable" with a person's sin, by the way, is often a sin.
Who cares what one group thinks about another, and how does it matter to any person in the real world - unless you give them validation by believing what they say or choosing to fight them?
Never in our history has there been an easier time to just 'walk away' from what you don't like, support, etc. Just because you may disagree with another's belief systems, be they religious or political, does not make it hate speech.
There will always be another person, another group, another belief system right behind the one you feel you must confront, to then be confronted. This leads to a Don Quixote empty life tilting at windmills, mistaking them for foes.
There are different kinds of “disagreement”. If a person expresses “disagreement”with another person’s belief or behavior and there is no enmity, then it is certainly not hate speech. However, some disagreements derive from enmity about another person’s belief or behavior.
You are correct with the statement “ Just because you may disagree with another's belief systems, be they religious or political, does not make it hate speech.”. But it’s banal. Most people when they disagree with another person’s religious or political belief systems aren’t just disagreeing about a fact they find irrelevant to what they care about. Political and religious systems are deeply personal. A persons sense of belonging and honor are wrapped up in them. Thus, challenging them, or disparaging them is going can affect people more. And likewise simply sharing them is sharing values, and not just facts. If those values express underlining hatred of something, it can constitute “hate speech”. If those values express underlining honor of something it can constitute … “love speech”?
Personally I find the phrase “hate speech” loathsome, as it has a connotation that hate is essentially immoral, and ironically the people who deploy the phrase deploy it with hate. They hate “hate speech.” “Hate speech”, the phrase, *is hate speech* when expressed by someone who thinks it’s immoral to hate.
And your argument for not confronting belief systems or other people because it will be like forever or something is silly. If people just let poisonous belief systems take over the world, Scientologists would be running everything. The notion that everyone should just abandon their confrontations out of futility is a sure path to failure. And a guarantee that those few who don’t, who are probably going to be the most obnoxious or evil in the world, will acquire the most power.
A person is only being quixotic if what they are battling is benign, when they think it is not. Catholicism isn’t benign, and we have 2000 years of oppression and witch hunts to prove that.
And Don Quixote’s life wasn’t empty at all. You must never have read the book. His life was full of adventure.
An empty life is one that always “walks away” from every confrontation, cowardly or complacent. A worthless life, useful to no one. A life without foes, is a life without friends.
Why single out just Catholics when most of the world’s major religions condemn homosexuality? Eg Baptists, Pentecostals, etc. seems like you hate Catholics.
Uhh, because the Catholic catechism was brought up in the original clip.
I don’t hate Catholics, but I may qualify as “hating” Christianity, the religion, in general, depending on the definition of the word “hate”. And Christianity would include Protestant Christianity, and not just Catholic Christianity. I also have a similar attitude about other major world religions like Buddhism.
If anybody accepts The broad-based logical tenets your son is professing then we are doomed. People are allowed to have disagreements but there is no need to be disagreeable or aggressive with one another. Your son can do whatever he wants, other people can think whatever they want about it. Whatever somebody might choose to believe or not believe based upon what another person thinks about them is foolish. People need to stand up and be strong and accept that others acceptance or rejection of their life it's not hate it's just a difference of opinions.
If you're going to be bold and daring in life you need to have courage of your convictions and stand your ground. Forcing everybody to accept you, to love you, to support you, or to seek to cancel those that do not, is a Fool's errand and makes those who could choose to be strong weaker than they ever would have been otherwise.
It is a manifestation of hate to believe a person deserves the sort of punishment as has been variously described by the Catholic church for people who don't follow its creed. It not simply a " difference of opiniom." The perspective the Catholic church has towards homosexuals is hateful.
But, whatever, I see what and why they hate, and I judge it as immoral and shameful. I don't view hate itself as immoral though. Expressing or condoning hatred of what is innocent or good is immoral though. And I righteously judge the Catholic church as a doctrine of sin. And I do so without any desire to use violence to prevent them from sharing their views. I think Catholics should be legally allowed to live in sin. The sin they commit isn't at the level where I'd view it as something that should be a crime. Catholics should be allowed to legally worship imaginary evil deities and try to convince others to do the same. And I should be legally allowed to point out their sin. And not to be " disagreeable" with a person's sin, by the way, is often a sin.
Who cares what one group thinks about another, and how does it matter to any person in the real world - unless you give them validation by believing what they say or choosing to fight them?
Never in our history has there been an easier time to just 'walk away' from what you don't like, support, etc. Just because you may disagree with another's belief systems, be they religious or political, does not make it hate speech.
There will always be another person, another group, another belief system right behind the one you feel you must confront, to then be confronted. This leads to a Don Quixote empty life tilting at windmills, mistaking them for foes.
There are different kinds of “disagreement”. If a person expresses “disagreement”with another person’s belief or behavior and there is no enmity, then it is certainly not hate speech. However, some disagreements derive from enmity about another person’s belief or behavior.
You are correct with the statement “ Just because you may disagree with another's belief systems, be they religious or political, does not make it hate speech.”. But it’s banal. Most people when they disagree with another person’s religious or political belief systems aren’t just disagreeing about a fact they find irrelevant to what they care about. Political and religious systems are deeply personal. A persons sense of belonging and honor are wrapped up in them. Thus, challenging them, or disparaging them is going can affect people more. And likewise simply sharing them is sharing values, and not just facts. If those values express underlining hatred of something, it can constitute “hate speech”. If those values express underlining honor of something it can constitute … “love speech”?
Personally I find the phrase “hate speech” loathsome, as it has a connotation that hate is essentially immoral, and ironically the people who deploy the phrase deploy it with hate. They hate “hate speech.” “Hate speech”, the phrase, *is hate speech* when expressed by someone who thinks it’s immoral to hate.
And your argument for not confronting belief systems or other people because it will be like forever or something is silly. If people just let poisonous belief systems take over the world, Scientologists would be running everything. The notion that everyone should just abandon their confrontations out of futility is a sure path to failure. And a guarantee that those few who don’t, who are probably going to be the most obnoxious or evil in the world, will acquire the most power.
A person is only being quixotic if what they are battling is benign, when they think it is not. Catholicism isn’t benign, and we have 2000 years of oppression and witch hunts to prove that.
And Don Quixote’s life wasn’t empty at all. You must never have read the book. His life was full of adventure.
An empty life is one that always “walks away” from every confrontation, cowardly or complacent. A worthless life, useful to no one. A life without foes, is a life without friends.
Why single out just Catholics when most of the world’s major religions condemn homosexuality? Eg Baptists, Pentecostals, etc. seems like you hate Catholics.
Uhh, because the Catholic catechism was brought up in the original clip.
I don’t hate Catholics, but I may qualify as “hating” Christianity, the religion, in general, depending on the definition of the word “hate”. And Christianity would include Protestant Christianity, and not just Catholic Christianity. I also have a similar attitude about other major world religions like Buddhism.
Feel better?