Not only should Trump have been banned, but he should also have been arrested for treason. He was actively engaged in the overturning of a legitimate election. I know there were Democrats who stated Trump’s election was illegitimate, but they did not go anywhere as far as Trump nor did they actively call for an insurrection. Trump has no problem destroying things-institutions, football Leagues, the Republican Party, if it serves his purpose. Another Trump presidency would do more damage to our political and civic institutions.
It wasn’t a legitimate election by any stretch. It was corrupted on many levels from government suppression of information to Big Tech suppression of public dialog (de facto illegal campaign contributions) to corruption of state election law in the name of Covid. It was utterly corrupt and will be further corrupted in the coming election cycle. This is unsustainable in a free society, which is a feature of the Left.
Even if what you say is true, I think it is fair to say that enough people looked at Trump and said enough is enough. I am no fan of Biden but Trump is a narcissistic moron. All you have to do to determine that is listen to one of his speeches.
It has, in the past, also been a feature of the right. Though most cries of “voter suppression” are a component of the whiny, woke progressive class, there have historically been cases where it was clear that electioneering and other tinkering like gerrymandering has taken place at the behest of republicans.
However, I will stipulate that there exists a concerted and rampant bias against all things conservative right now in contemporary American society. This has been made clear and undeniable via the Twitter Files, Durham’s report, Mueller’s report; among others. The highest office of law enforcement (FBI) intelligence agencies, legacy media (NYT, WaPo, CNN, NBC, MSNBCetc.) social media and other tech leviathans (Google, for example), as well as major corporate interests (ESG) are myopic in their pursuit to eliminate any legitimacy with regard to conservative ideals.
This wouldn’t be so bad if they’d just own up to it. When someone is driven out of a newsroom for allowing a conservative (Tom Cotton) to publish his opinion, that’s fine. What isn’t fine is then following that behavior with an assertion that cancel culture doesn’t exist on the left.
People aren’t that stupid. It just takes 20 years for the public, which, I hate to say, grows dumber and more polarized simultaneously, to figure it out.
Everyone pretty much now agrees that the wars in and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq were colossal mistakes. Remember when the right cancelled the Dixie Chicks for not toeing the line? But at least republicans were like “yeah, damn right we were trying to cancel them!” It’s ok to have political battles and political enemies. It’s not ok to gaslight the populace though.
The left, from my perspective, has taken a page from the right’s playbook on manufacturing consent. The difference is that they have fed it steroids and released it into the world, and it has now taken on a life of its own, and is running through American society like the werewolf in American Werewolf in London- vicious, hungry, and almost unstoppable and leaving destruction and tragedy in its wake.
Many good points here. I would only note that the Dixie Chicks were not censured because “they didn’t toe the line” but because they took their political disagreements off shore in an era where politics was supposed to stop at the waters edge. Still a good idea.
Indeed, perhaps the misstep was using a creative space that was once fairly neutral into a space that hosts political opinion.
Of course, one would be remiss in failing to mention that not only using the venue of country music to make a politically charged statement, but also to proclaim an anti US war stance.
It might perhaps even be suggested that at the time, Cheney & co had successfully manufactured consent- particularly among conservatives, and they not only didn’t want to hear political rhetoric, but were also turned off by the specific message in conflict with their pro-war, or at least pro-vengeance positions- to which I do NOT begrudgingly add were based on 100% propaganda-grade bullshit.
So, with respect, I think your analysis fails to give adequate homage to every facet of the mainstream political tenor of that time- and a HUGE part of that as evidenced by the poll research done at that time vs now.
Now the old red hawks that urged us to cross sovereign borders for a lie that had zero concrete evidence that cost thousands of deaths are saying “No, we can’t help Ukraine because there are corrupt US entanglements there” (not a direct quote, but I believe that’s a current popular conservative sentiment.) Seems at least a bit hypocritical . For reference:
I think you missed my point that the Chicks took their criticism to a foreign country, England perhaps. True that their fans were interested in their art, not their politics.
It was not universally believed at the time that the war narrative was false, and only in hindsight does that contention have any validity.
I have no idea what polls you refer to or what point they might make.
I suspect you don’t know many conservatives; we are quite a diverse group and very capable of independent thought.
I agree with some of what you say but it is not as if conservatives do not have media outlets. I am one of those old Liberals who is alarmed by the progressive Left cancel culture. The media has returned to the 1830s where each party has its own newspapers.
I understand the compulsion to defend one’s tribe, but good lord man. Conservatives having media outlets too is a poor response to the political capture of:
FBI
ATF
CIA
CISA
NSA
DHS
DOJ
FACEBOOK
TWITTER (pre Musk takeover)
INSTAGRAM
GOOGLE (to include YouTube- ask Glenn about the censorship and the political bias there 😉)
PAYPAL
EVERY UNIVERSITY EXCEPT EXPLICITLY CONSERVATIVE/RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS LIKE REGENT UNIVERSITY, LIBERTY UNIVERSITY, et al. including: HARVARD PRINCETON STANFORD BROWN COLUMBIA… you get the picture here- the elite academic epicenter of the country.
MSNBC
CNBC
NBC
CNN
NYT
WAPO
LA TIMES
95% of every major urban center government. SF, NYC, etc etc etc
Please, please tell me more about these conservative news outlets like NewsMax or Turning Point USA that control the flow of information and speech that clearly exists and has been proven time after time after time.
It’s not just about ‘cancel culture’, it’s about individual liberty, the Bill of Rights and the founding principles of this nation as it was known from oh, idk, about 1787 until roughly 2015.
We can bat this stupid ball back and forth across this net all you want but 2 things will remain true:
You cannot find this level of ideological capture on the right this deep into just about every American institution because there’s only one FBI, DOJ, DHS, etc. aaand…
This list is woefully incomplete. We’re not talking about the same things here and your pissant whataboutism would be laughable if not so tragic.
Not only should Trump have been banned, but he should also have been arrested for treason. He was actively engaged in the overturning of a legitimate election. I know there were Democrats who stated Trump’s election was illegitimate, but they did not go anywhere as far as Trump nor did they actively call for an insurrection. Trump has no problem destroying things-institutions, football Leagues, the Republican Party, if it serves his purpose. Another Trump presidency would do more damage to our political and civic institutions.
It wasn’t a legitimate election by any stretch. It was corrupted on many levels from government suppression of information to Big Tech suppression of public dialog (de facto illegal campaign contributions) to corruption of state election law in the name of Covid. It was utterly corrupt and will be further corrupted in the coming election cycle. This is unsustainable in a free society, which is a feature of the Left.
Even if what you say is true, I think it is fair to say that enough people looked at Trump and said enough is enough. I am no fan of Biden but Trump is a narcissistic moron. All you have to do to determine that is listen to one of his speeches.
It has, in the past, also been a feature of the right. Though most cries of “voter suppression” are a component of the whiny, woke progressive class, there have historically been cases where it was clear that electioneering and other tinkering like gerrymandering has taken place at the behest of republicans.
However, I will stipulate that there exists a concerted and rampant bias against all things conservative right now in contemporary American society. This has been made clear and undeniable via the Twitter Files, Durham’s report, Mueller’s report; among others. The highest office of law enforcement (FBI) intelligence agencies, legacy media (NYT, WaPo, CNN, NBC, MSNBCetc.) social media and other tech leviathans (Google, for example), as well as major corporate interests (ESG) are myopic in their pursuit to eliminate any legitimacy with regard to conservative ideals.
This wouldn’t be so bad if they’d just own up to it. When someone is driven out of a newsroom for allowing a conservative (Tom Cotton) to publish his opinion, that’s fine. What isn’t fine is then following that behavior with an assertion that cancel culture doesn’t exist on the left.
People aren’t that stupid. It just takes 20 years for the public, which, I hate to say, grows dumber and more polarized simultaneously, to figure it out.
Everyone pretty much now agrees that the wars in and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq were colossal mistakes. Remember when the right cancelled the Dixie Chicks for not toeing the line? But at least republicans were like “yeah, damn right we were trying to cancel them!” It’s ok to have political battles and political enemies. It’s not ok to gaslight the populace though.
The left, from my perspective, has taken a page from the right’s playbook on manufacturing consent. The difference is that they have fed it steroids and released it into the world, and it has now taken on a life of its own, and is running through American society like the werewolf in American Werewolf in London- vicious, hungry, and almost unstoppable and leaving destruction and tragedy in its wake.
Many good points here. I would only note that the Dixie Chicks were not censured because “they didn’t toe the line” but because they took their political disagreements off shore in an era where politics was supposed to stop at the waters edge. Still a good idea.
Indeed, perhaps the misstep was using a creative space that was once fairly neutral into a space that hosts political opinion.
Of course, one would be remiss in failing to mention that not only using the venue of country music to make a politically charged statement, but also to proclaim an anti US war stance.
It might perhaps even be suggested that at the time, Cheney & co had successfully manufactured consent- particularly among conservatives, and they not only didn’t want to hear political rhetoric, but were also turned off by the specific message in conflict with their pro-war, or at least pro-vengeance positions- to which I do NOT begrudgingly add were based on 100% propaganda-grade bullshit.
So, with respect, I think your analysis fails to give adequate homage to every facet of the mainstream political tenor of that time- and a HUGE part of that as evidenced by the poll research done at that time vs now.
Now the old red hawks that urged us to cross sovereign borders for a lie that had zero concrete evidence that cost thousands of deaths are saying “No, we can’t help Ukraine because there are corrupt US entanglements there” (not a direct quote, but I believe that’s a current popular conservative sentiment.) Seems at least a bit hypocritical . For reference:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/03/14/a-look-back-at-how-fear-and-false-beliefs-bolstered-u-s-public-support-for-war-in-iraq/
I think you missed my point that the Chicks took their criticism to a foreign country, England perhaps. True that their fans were interested in their art, not their politics.
It was not universally believed at the time that the war narrative was false, and only in hindsight does that contention have any validity.
I have no idea what polls you refer to or what point they might make.
I suspect you don’t know many conservatives; we are quite a diverse group and very capable of independent thought.
No, you wouldn’t have any idea unless you click the link that takes you to it that I included at the end of my comment so that you would know😂
I agree with some of what you say but it is not as if conservatives do not have media outlets. I am one of those old Liberals who is alarmed by the progressive Left cancel culture. The media has returned to the 1830s where each party has its own newspapers.
I understand the compulsion to defend one’s tribe, but good lord man. Conservatives having media outlets too is a poor response to the political capture of:
FBI
ATF
CIA
CISA
NSA
DHS
DOJ
FACEBOOK
TWITTER (pre Musk takeover)
INSTAGRAM
GOOGLE (to include YouTube- ask Glenn about the censorship and the political bias there 😉)
PAYPAL
EVERY UNIVERSITY EXCEPT EXPLICITLY CONSERVATIVE/RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS LIKE REGENT UNIVERSITY, LIBERTY UNIVERSITY, et al. including: HARVARD PRINCETON STANFORD BROWN COLUMBIA… you get the picture here- the elite academic epicenter of the country.
MSNBC
CNBC
NBC
CNN
NYT
WAPO
LA TIMES
95% of every major urban center government. SF, NYC, etc etc etc
Please, please tell me more about these conservative news outlets like NewsMax or Turning Point USA that control the flow of information and speech that clearly exists and has been proven time after time after time.
It’s not just about ‘cancel culture’, it’s about individual liberty, the Bill of Rights and the founding principles of this nation as it was known from oh, idk, about 1787 until roughly 2015.
We can bat this stupid ball back and forth across this net all you want but 2 things will remain true:
You cannot find this level of ideological capture on the right this deep into just about every American institution because there’s only one FBI, DOJ, DHS, etc. aaand…
This list is woefully incomplete. We’re not talking about the same things here and your pissant whataboutism would be laughable if not so tragic.