I'm sorry, I read Papillon, did you? That's an example of the worst kind of prison imaginable. Your view basically boils down to, eff them. Cool story bro. Meanwhile back in reality, the book and research I cited before is pristine and quite clear that larger prisons are not governable. You seem to not care that criminal gangs run most prisons and this destroys any rehabilitative experience they might be open to having. As well, it's dangerous and we actually have a legal obligation to prisoners to keep them safe while we hold them in custody.
Let's take stock of your position. You basically ignored the findings I shared - not an opinion - findings of serious research done by a serious researcher. And instead offer an inhumane alternative. Do you think that's clever or cool? Hope you never get locked up for anything. There are more than a few 'normal' people - non career criminal types - who make a mistake and get locked up. They have no chance of surviving that sentence without joining a gang in many prisons. The problem would only be worse with your idea. You are okay with just throwing people away who commit crime I guess. this is depraved and immoral and ignorant. Are you a Christian?
You (probably rightly) propose more and smaller populated prisons as one step (the first step). What might be the second and third steps?
You mention there are many "no career type criminals (how do we know that when they commit the crime (that they are only temporary criminals?))
If we can tell they qualify for avoidance of being included with the (hard core?). Seems this must be addressed during the trial phase of the justice system?
Daniel Kahneman,, in his co-written recent book "NOISE" reveals the significant problem of error in judgement of judges (Their inconsistency in applying sentences). Perhaps at this point, there is error that can be improved.
In the 1990s, former NYS Supreme Court Justice Rothwax wrote and preached extensively on the collapse of the criminal justice system. His book, "Guilty: The Collapse of the Criminal Justice System recommended many changes to the process to stem this collapse. No such changes seem to have taken place.
That prison populations break into "racial" groups is telling of what happens in societies as they de-civilize. Which America may be in process of doing.
America is turning into a very uncaring and distrustful nation. Based upon what you advise regarding prisons being a university of criminal and gang development, it seems concern about their welfare is the least of our problems until we can figure out what to do. Good Luck with that.
Humans are also, by nature, animals. Viktor Frankl designates "humans" not by being Christian but by accepting responsibility for their own existence and finding a meaning to life. Those who take that responsibility must be protected from the animals that some humans are. Without cruelty if possible. Any way if necessary.
What a silly comment.. Your comment about criminal history is silly - the same comment holds true for someone with no criminal record or a career criminal. Fyi, this has been studied with respect to rape very deeply. Turns out the majority of rapes are committed by a small pct of men who rape and sexually assault hundreds of women across their lives. Some are committed by men who will only commit one rape in their lives, usually a form of date rape vs. 'stranger rape' which is much more common from a predator. So, contrary to your breezy BS, there is all kinds of valid data out there about criminal history and crime. Do you know how busy social scientists are in jails, studying crime? Of course, you are just ignorant of it, but run your banal speculations by us all for what reason I do not know.
Even sillier? Speaking to me as though I'm not for punishing criminals. Nothing in my commentary says that. I've read Frankl, have you? Doubt it, cuz most people who've read him are much less pompous than you. Your comment is mere posing and hyperbole. You don't actually know a damn thing about any of this, lol. Yet you babble.
btw: Of course I read Frankl (my comment comes from The Unconscious God. Excuse me if I find Frankl's insight so essential. That insight is, imo, what is likely lacking in each of those who earn prison. The point is, without fixing that (who can?) you are correct we will need more prisons. Perhaps the social scientist can tell us how they can be made less cruel.
I'm sorry, I read Papillon, did you? That's an example of the worst kind of prison imaginable. Your view basically boils down to, eff them. Cool story bro. Meanwhile back in reality, the book and research I cited before is pristine and quite clear that larger prisons are not governable. You seem to not care that criminal gangs run most prisons and this destroys any rehabilitative experience they might be open to having. As well, it's dangerous and we actually have a legal obligation to prisoners to keep them safe while we hold them in custody.
Let's take stock of your position. You basically ignored the findings I shared - not an opinion - findings of serious research done by a serious researcher. And instead offer an inhumane alternative. Do you think that's clever or cool? Hope you never get locked up for anything. There are more than a few 'normal' people - non career criminal types - who make a mistake and get locked up. They have no chance of surviving that sentence without joining a gang in many prisons. The problem would only be worse with your idea. You are okay with just throwing people away who commit crime I guess. this is depraved and immoral and ignorant. Are you a Christian?
You (probably rightly) propose more and smaller populated prisons as one step (the first step). What might be the second and third steps?
You mention there are many "no career type criminals (how do we know that when they commit the crime (that they are only temporary criminals?))
If we can tell they qualify for avoidance of being included with the (hard core?). Seems this must be addressed during the trial phase of the justice system?
Daniel Kahneman,, in his co-written recent book "NOISE" reveals the significant problem of error in judgement of judges (Their inconsistency in applying sentences). Perhaps at this point, there is error that can be improved.
In the 1990s, former NYS Supreme Court Justice Rothwax wrote and preached extensively on the collapse of the criminal justice system. His book, "Guilty: The Collapse of the Criminal Justice System recommended many changes to the process to stem this collapse. No such changes seem to have taken place.
That prison populations break into "racial" groups is telling of what happens in societies as they de-civilize. Which America may be in process of doing.
America is turning into a very uncaring and distrustful nation. Based upon what you advise regarding prisons being a university of criminal and gang development, it seems concern about their welfare is the least of our problems until we can figure out what to do. Good Luck with that.
Humans are also, by nature, animals. Viktor Frankl designates "humans" not by being Christian but by accepting responsibility for their own existence and finding a meaning to life. Those who take that responsibility must be protected from the animals that some humans are. Without cruelty if possible. Any way if necessary.
What a silly comment.. Your comment about criminal history is silly - the same comment holds true for someone with no criminal record or a career criminal. Fyi, this has been studied with respect to rape very deeply. Turns out the majority of rapes are committed by a small pct of men who rape and sexually assault hundreds of women across their lives. Some are committed by men who will only commit one rape in their lives, usually a form of date rape vs. 'stranger rape' which is much more common from a predator. So, contrary to your breezy BS, there is all kinds of valid data out there about criminal history and crime. Do you know how busy social scientists are in jails, studying crime? Of course, you are just ignorant of it, but run your banal speculations by us all for what reason I do not know.
Even sillier? Speaking to me as though I'm not for punishing criminals. Nothing in my commentary says that. I've read Frankl, have you? Doubt it, cuz most people who've read him are much less pompous than you. Your comment is mere posing and hyperbole. You don't actually know a damn thing about any of this, lol. Yet you babble.
btw: Of course I read Frankl (my comment comes from The Unconscious God. Excuse me if I find Frankl's insight so essential. That insight is, imo, what is likely lacking in each of those who earn prison. The point is, without fixing that (who can?) you are correct we will need more prisons. Perhaps the social scientist can tell us how they can be made less cruel.