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All you say has merit. That is one reason (deterrence), I'm guessing ,is why, I, like so many choose to navigate through life avoiding what causes the risk of prison.

I see no reason why America should not make best effort to make prisons less cruel. Incarcerating criminals is sufficient. We don't need to torture them with cruelty.

The best way to resolve criminal life in both Norway and the US is to breed and nurture better people.

What can any prison accomplish to transform people willing to steal and harm other people when they are released? Not that we should not try to assist those in prison who come to realize better ideas and ways.

As for criminalizing more than other nations, perhaps drug laws are a part of that. And perhaps that is worthy of revision. But a nation so full of people who desire and need to function on drugs (and alcohol) as their "meaning to life" goes back to my former comment on nurturing better people. Who really wants to employ and depend on the addicted for their welfare. I think the individual should adapt to society more than society adapting to the people. We are only as good as the sum of our parts.

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In America, the precipitous decline in crime rates coincided with legal access to abortion. Count forward 20 years from now, American crime rates will be going up, and will be debated endlessly. Except it won't be mysterious, and it won't be evenly distributed. States that have retained access to abortion will be the perfect control groups, but ignored, for all of the studies that will be created by social scientists to understand the criminal trends. Btw - Drug addicts, arguably, are adapting to society; for many, society is the cause, not the cure.

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