I've noticed that nobody in this discussion has mentioned that Hillary Clinton claimed that the election was stolen from her and same with Stacy abrams. Neither of them are called sociopaths. And I don't know if anybody noticed that in Mississippi they have just announced that there was pretty extensive voter irregularities with checks and double checks that were not done and a lot of information that is missing.
I struggle to understand how anyone can honestly see Clinton, Abrams in the same light as Trump.
1. Hillary Clinton gave a *concession* speech the morning after election night. She did not file any frivolous lawsuits (third-party candidate/grifter Jill Stein did that). She did not try to scheme her way into the Presidency, there was never any question after her concession about her accepting the results, and she did not try to incite any violence or produce fake electors.
2. Stacey Abrams' race was not called formally until about 10 days after election day. The day after it was called, she gave her famous (infamous?) non-concession speech. (Which I would argue was the first of several major political miscalculations on her part, but that is a different topic.) At a ny rate, she did not file any frivolous lawsuits seeking to have the election awarded to her, and in her speech she acknowledged that her opponent and not her would be taking office in January. She did not attempt any schemes to contest the election. At the end of the day, I think Kemp's margin of victory was large enough that an automatic recount was not called for under GA law. Abrams campaign might have been able to push for (and pay for) a recount, but she did not.
3. Trump not only refused to accept the result of the election even after losing dozens of bordeline frivolous lawsuits, but he also did attempt to use violance and fake elector schemes as a way to stay in office via a self-coup.
Mississippi is a racist shithole, a state with the largest black population with no true black political representation or power. The antebellum White supremacists there set up an old framework to mitigate black power.
1. There is a difference between claims that an election was stolen because of voter suppression or outside interference versus claims of fraud. Glenn and John even talk about this in the podcast when they discuss the media and Hunter Biden. Those types of claims are often made by losing candidates on both sides. But they are different than actually claiming the voting process itself was compromised without evidence.
2. The reason Clinton and Abrams are not treated like sociopaths like Trump is this:
Also, outside of legal challenges, Clinton and Abrams never tried to overturn the results of an election through extra judicial means.
3. I don't know anything about the claims in Mississippi, but if you believe that those elections were flawed and that officials there should step down until a new, fair vote takes place, I'm not going to argue with you.
I've noticed that nobody in this discussion has mentioned that Hillary Clinton claimed that the election was stolen from her and same with Stacy abrams. Neither of them are called sociopaths. And I don't know if anybody noticed that in Mississippi they have just announced that there was pretty extensive voter irregularities with checks and double checks that were not done and a lot of information that is missing.
I struggle to understand how anyone can honestly see Clinton, Abrams in the same light as Trump.
1. Hillary Clinton gave a *concession* speech the morning after election night. She did not file any frivolous lawsuits (third-party candidate/grifter Jill Stein did that). She did not try to scheme her way into the Presidency, there was never any question after her concession about her accepting the results, and she did not try to incite any violence or produce fake electors.
2. Stacey Abrams' race was not called formally until about 10 days after election day. The day after it was called, she gave her famous (infamous?) non-concession speech. (Which I would argue was the first of several major political miscalculations on her part, but that is a different topic.) At a ny rate, she did not file any frivolous lawsuits seeking to have the election awarded to her, and in her speech she acknowledged that her opponent and not her would be taking office in January. She did not attempt any schemes to contest the election. At the end of the day, I think Kemp's margin of victory was large enough that an automatic recount was not called for under GA law. Abrams campaign might have been able to push for (and pay for) a recount, but she did not.
3. Trump not only refused to accept the result of the election even after losing dozens of bordeline frivolous lawsuits, but he also did attempt to use violance and fake elector schemes as a way to stay in office via a self-coup.
One of those is not like the others.
Mississippi is a racist shithole, a state with the largest black population with no true black political representation or power. The antebellum White supremacists there set up an old framework to mitigate black power.
Three points Kevin:
1. There is a difference between claims that an election was stolen because of voter suppression or outside interference versus claims of fraud. Glenn and John even talk about this in the podcast when they discuss the media and Hunter Biden. Those types of claims are often made by losing candidates on both sides. But they are different than actually claiming the voting process itself was compromised without evidence.
2. The reason Clinton and Abrams are not treated like sociopaths like Trump is this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-updates-on-the-2016-election-voting-and-race-results/hillary-clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-and-a-chance-to-lead/
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/09/abrams-kemp-georgia-governor-election-concession
Also, outside of legal challenges, Clinton and Abrams never tried to overturn the results of an election through extra judicial means.
3. I don't know anything about the claims in Mississippi, but if you believe that those elections were flawed and that officials there should step down until a new, fair vote takes place, I'm not going to argue with you.