I think this is an outstanding comment and I look forward to reading your longer essay. It seems to me that the key point that causes upset with Murray is a nature vs nurture question where he seems to suggest that black people as a whole are genetically inferior or perhaps so disadvantaged that it's more or less the same thing. Glenn and Sam do not seem to take him to task on this very important point. When Murray was on the Glenn show to discuss the last book (which I have not read), Murray went out of his way to say that he was just presenting the data but that drawing conclusions is too controversial. My sense is that he did something similar in the Bell Curve. That is terribly weak and anyone giving him a platform (Glenn in this case) should clearly force this issue. That's what platforms like this are for.
I'm not sure that I think he should be canceled (and it seems like a partial cancellation in the sense that he's been making his way as a prominent public intellectual for decades despite publishing books about racial inferiority). But, let's not pretend to be surprised about why people are very upset about him.
This seems like a blind spot. Glenn and John get outraged about fuzzy logic, obfuscation and weak argumentation on the left. I'm on board for that. But, it is of great importance to maintain this level of rigor when dealing with your own side and your own friends. If you put the boots to Kendi and Hannah-Jones, you should do the same for Murray. With all the ruckus here over woke topics, it's frustrating to see Murray get a free (or close to free) pass from Glenn on his project of implied eugenics.
If I'm missing something here, or am lost in my own blind spot, please let me know.
“With all the ruckus here over woke topics, it's frustrating to see Murray get a free (or close to free) pass from Glenn on his project of implied eugenics.”
If Murray’s faith is true, the only way black people as a group can significantly improve cognitive abilities as demonstrated by iq scores and STEM employment is through a breeding program.
I don’t think anyone could come to such a faith without a large rock of bigotry lodged in their soul.
Glenn and John do seem to be blind to that spot. If they are truly Murray’s friend though, they should not allow their affection to blind them, and be willing to see faults and flaws, and then point out that spot. It is repulsive.
Faith has nothing to do with this. Look at the data, if the data changes, then update your views.
Right now, the data strongly suggest there are population level differences.
That shouldn't tell us anything about how we treat each other. But it might offer some other explanations on why the trillions we've spent on poverty reduction don't seem to do much
“Population level genetic differences” is an irrelevant observation. If you take a population that has blue eyes and a population that has brown eyes, those populations are going to have genetic differences. You are inferring incorrectly what faith I’m referring to.
I think this is an outstanding comment and I look forward to reading your longer essay. It seems to me that the key point that causes upset with Murray is a nature vs nurture question where he seems to suggest that black people as a whole are genetically inferior or perhaps so disadvantaged that it's more or less the same thing. Glenn and Sam do not seem to take him to task on this very important point. When Murray was on the Glenn show to discuss the last book (which I have not read), Murray went out of his way to say that he was just presenting the data but that drawing conclusions is too controversial. My sense is that he did something similar in the Bell Curve. That is terribly weak and anyone giving him a platform (Glenn in this case) should clearly force this issue. That's what platforms like this are for.
I'm not sure that I think he should be canceled (and it seems like a partial cancellation in the sense that he's been making his way as a prominent public intellectual for decades despite publishing books about racial inferiority). But, let's not pretend to be surprised about why people are very upset about him.
This seems like a blind spot. Glenn and John get outraged about fuzzy logic, obfuscation and weak argumentation on the left. I'm on board for that. But, it is of great importance to maintain this level of rigor when dealing with your own side and your own friends. If you put the boots to Kendi and Hannah-Jones, you should do the same for Murray. With all the ruckus here over woke topics, it's frustrating to see Murray get a free (or close to free) pass from Glenn on his project of implied eugenics.
If I'm missing something here, or am lost in my own blind spot, please let me know.
“With all the ruckus here over woke topics, it's frustrating to see Murray get a free (or close to free) pass from Glenn on his project of implied eugenics.”
If Murray’s faith is true, the only way black people as a group can significantly improve cognitive abilities as demonstrated by iq scores and STEM employment is through a breeding program.
I don’t think anyone could come to such a faith without a large rock of bigotry lodged in their soul.
Glenn and John do seem to be blind to that spot. If they are truly Murray’s friend though, they should not allow their affection to blind them, and be willing to see faults and flaws, and then point out that spot. It is repulsive.
Faith has nothing to do with this. Look at the data, if the data changes, then update your views.
Right now, the data strongly suggest there are population level differences.
That shouldn't tell us anything about how we treat each other. But it might offer some other explanations on why the trillions we've spent on poverty reduction don't seem to do much
“Population level genetic differences” is an irrelevant observation. If you take a population that has blue eyes and a population that has brown eyes, those populations are going to have genetic differences. You are inferring incorrectly what faith I’m referring to.