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John McWhorter – America's Shifting Position on Gaza
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John McWhorter – America's Shifting Position on Gaza

It’s August, which means that many of those who have the means are retreating from the cities to woodsy redoubts, trying to get away from the heat and concrete for a while. I’m sticking around Providence for the most part, but John is ensconced in his Catskills bungalow colony, where he’s organizing a cabaret performance with his fellow part-time upstaters and refereeing his daughters’ sibling disputes. I recently had to do a little family refereeing myself, which you’ll hear all about in this episode.

We start with a discussion of Trump’s penalties on Columbia, John’s university. According to him, some of them are justified, not least because of what he views as the pervasive atmosphere of hostility toward Jewish students. We debate whether those pro-Palestine demonstrations were so rife with antisemitism that they had to be shut down. I wonder whether the shifting perceptions of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza has any bearing on the question. Even John has found himself aghast at some of the reports of starvation coming from the region, though he wonders whether we’re getting an accurate picture. To which I say: aren’t the images enough? Strange to consider that we were once “the Black Guys at Bloggingheads,” who mostly stuck to the race beat. But what’s become of that beat? Is it over? Or are we, as John thinks, in a lull, with the next wave of racial outrage soon to come?

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0:00 John: Not all of Trump’s demands on Columbia are crazy

3:45 Are the accusations of antisemitism at Columbia apt?

12:43 Ground News ad

14:22 The shifting public perception of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza

24:30 The historical legacy of Gaza’s starvation

27:40 Glenn: There are ways to destroy Israel without an army

32:21 The lull in American race politics

38:22 Has the race debate devolved to Sidney Sweeney’s jeans?

47:27 John’s theory of violent crime among black youths

Recorded August 5, 2025


Links and Readings

John’s April 23, 2024 NYT column, “I’m a Columbia Professor. The Protests on My Campus Are Not Justice.”

Peter Beinart’s book, Being Jewish after the Destruction of Gaza: A Reckoning

Glenn’s conversation with Beinart

Ta-Nehisi Coates’s book, Between the World and Me

Courtney Moorehead Balaker and Ted Balaker’s documentary, The Coddling of the American Mind

Sidney Sweeney’s American Eagle ad

John’s NYT column, “Do These Jeans Make My Ads Look Racist?”

Glenn and John’s conversation with Randall Kennedy

Glenn and John’s conversation with Keith Ellison

Thomas Sowell’s book, Black Rednecks & White Liberals


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