Regarding Tyler Harper's dismissal of the "anxious Jewish student", let's flip the script. (I think Glenn may have tried to do this in another context.) Let's assume that Hamas was a group of white nationalist terrorists who conducted the unspeakable atrocities of October 7th (kidnapping black children and grandmothers, raping black women, beheading black babies, burning black families alive in their homes) in their long-standing grievance agaInst the neighboring region. Would Tyler dismiss the anxiety of the "black" student in the face of the blatant support for the "white" Hamas cause on our campuses? This is an admittedly crude example, but maybe it helps drive home the point that Jewish students have grounds to be "anxious."
I think the point is that a Jewish student at Brown is not at risk of Hamas attacking them. This is more like black kids feeling like they were personally victimized by slavery. I heard one Jewish student on CNN talking about her fear, and was asked for an example… she said a friend had a kid in childcare at the school, and the childcare closed because there were a lot of people protesting near by. So the friend had to leave early… that was her best example. She ended with something like “ I deserve to be in school without fear.” Of course all students do, but if that’s the worst you are facing, I think you are okay.
Let me see if I understand your point. You say that the Jewish student at Brown is exhibiting the same irrational fear as the black student who feels unsafe because of the past sin of slavery. Yes?
What you seem to be ignoring is that the monstrous attack by Hamas just happened a few weeks ago. And the support of this attack on campuses was swift (even before the blood was dry), ugly (tearing down pictures of kidnapped children) and physical (Cooper Union, Cornell, Harvard). Not to mention the astonishing increase of hate crimes against Jews during that month -- something like 400% compared to a year ago.
So how can you be so sure that the Jewish student at Brown is safe given the recency of 10/7?
The point of my thought "flipping the script" example was precisely to drive home the idea that any racial group (jewish, black, asian, muslim) would legitimately feel unsafe in light of such a despicable terrorist attack targeting that group.
Finally, I haven't seen the CNN interview you mention. But the closing of a jewish day care center because of what might happen at a pro-Palestinian protest rally is also not irrational in light of recent events. (A jewish man killed at a protest in LA.)
Nope, it was a university run day care. It sounded only tangentially related to anything Jewish… that is why it stuck in my mind.
Also, the Jewish man who died was in battling protests and was arguing with a pro Palestinian protester (I suspect he was pushed, it is very vague). The Jewish man fell and hit his head and the man he’d been arguing with called 911 and tried to give aid. The man died in the hospital a few days later. Two old men (I think the victim was in his 70s and the guy charged was in his late 50s) arguing on a street corner falls short of a hate crime, in my opinion. Unlike the Arab 6-year old and his mother who were shot and a driver who swerved to hit an “Arab looking guy” walking around a college campus. There may have been a guy who got beat up trying to protect a guy (Jewish) who had been yelling at pro-Palestinian men who turned it into a fight. Also hard to see that as a hate crime per se. I’m just saying, it’s terrible, but it is isolated. And it’s mostly words.
As for the first point, my point is it is the same phenomenon of “my in group guy was hurt so I’m in danger”. That doesn’t mean you are actually unsafe. I’m not saying everyone is safe, because people are out of their minds these days… I was suggesting it was a better analogy. It’s obviously not the same.
Regarding Tyler Harper's dismissal of the "anxious Jewish student", let's flip the script. (I think Glenn may have tried to do this in another context.) Let's assume that Hamas was a group of white nationalist terrorists who conducted the unspeakable atrocities of October 7th (kidnapping black children and grandmothers, raping black women, beheading black babies, burning black families alive in their homes) in their long-standing grievance agaInst the neighboring region. Would Tyler dismiss the anxiety of the "black" student in the face of the blatant support for the "white" Hamas cause on our campuses? This is an admittedly crude example, but maybe it helps drive home the point that Jewish students have grounds to be "anxious."
I think the point is that a Jewish student at Brown is not at risk of Hamas attacking them. This is more like black kids feeling like they were personally victimized by slavery. I heard one Jewish student on CNN talking about her fear, and was asked for an example… she said a friend had a kid in childcare at the school, and the childcare closed because there were a lot of people protesting near by. So the friend had to leave early… that was her best example. She ended with something like “ I deserve to be in school without fear.” Of course all students do, but if that’s the worst you are facing, I think you are okay.
Let me see if I understand your point. You say that the Jewish student at Brown is exhibiting the same irrational fear as the black student who feels unsafe because of the past sin of slavery. Yes?
What you seem to be ignoring is that the monstrous attack by Hamas just happened a few weeks ago. And the support of this attack on campuses was swift (even before the blood was dry), ugly (tearing down pictures of kidnapped children) and physical (Cooper Union, Cornell, Harvard). Not to mention the astonishing increase of hate crimes against Jews during that month -- something like 400% compared to a year ago.
So how can you be so sure that the Jewish student at Brown is safe given the recency of 10/7?
The point of my thought "flipping the script" example was precisely to drive home the idea that any racial group (jewish, black, asian, muslim) would legitimately feel unsafe in light of such a despicable terrorist attack targeting that group.
Finally, I haven't seen the CNN interview you mention. But the closing of a jewish day care center because of what might happen at a pro-Palestinian protest rally is also not irrational in light of recent events. (A jewish man killed at a protest in LA.)
Nope, it was a university run day care. It sounded only tangentially related to anything Jewish… that is why it stuck in my mind.
Also, the Jewish man who died was in battling protests and was arguing with a pro Palestinian protester (I suspect he was pushed, it is very vague). The Jewish man fell and hit his head and the man he’d been arguing with called 911 and tried to give aid. The man died in the hospital a few days later. Two old men (I think the victim was in his 70s and the guy charged was in his late 50s) arguing on a street corner falls short of a hate crime, in my opinion. Unlike the Arab 6-year old and his mother who were shot and a driver who swerved to hit an “Arab looking guy” walking around a college campus. There may have been a guy who got beat up trying to protect a guy (Jewish) who had been yelling at pro-Palestinian men who turned it into a fight. Also hard to see that as a hate crime per se. I’m just saying, it’s terrible, but it is isolated. And it’s mostly words.
As for the first point, my point is it is the same phenomenon of “my in group guy was hurt so I’m in danger”. That doesn’t mean you are actually unsafe. I’m not saying everyone is safe, because people are out of their minds these days… I was suggesting it was a better analogy. It’s obviously not the same.