That's an interesting word, 'collude', meaning to meet with or work secretly with someone, typically in an effort to deceive or cheat.
It is doubtless true that Trump reps did meet with Russian reps on occasion in an effort to determine if there was something there that could benefit the campaign. In fact I would guess that Trump's people met with thousands of individuals from any number of places over the course of the campaign to do exactly that whenever possible. Heck, I'm sure all the candidates did.
It's the 'deceive or cheat' portion of the word which seems dubious.
Of course we might quite accurately argue that every candidate works as hard as they can (and spend millions of dollars accordingly) to 'deceive' the electorate to buy the exact brand of 'Miracle Solutions' that they're selling. It's called politics. But doing all that is not criminal. It's normal.
Just like it's normal that the U.S. government meets regularly with political candidates all across the world to seek to influence their elections.
It's how all this stuff works.
Or doesn't work, as the case may be.
Obviously if all it took was a coupla million dollars and a few meetings to grab an election victory, the $14.4B that was actually spent in 2020 was entirely unnecessary (which, in fact, it may have been....though you'll never convince either party of that)
As for the ad hominem attacks against Trump...they're everywhere. Entirely forgettable...like John, here, calling him a gorilla.
Bdarn1: I'm afraid this is exactly the kind of comment that just reinforces how Trump degrades the norms of our democracy. You seem to think that it's a regular occurrence for presidential campaigns to meet with the intelligence services and other members of hostile governments to see how these governments can help them win the election.
But that simply isn't the case. It's something that never happened before (and would have been considered a campaign ending scandal if it did). But somehow Trump supporters rationalize it as normal behavior.
Sadly, while I didn't believe it at the time, I actually think Trump famous remark that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any voters is probably accurate. Folks like you would doubtless come up with some way to rationalize it as normal or justified. And you would no doubt support Trump's claim of immunity from prosecution for it as well (https://www.axios.com/2024/01/10/trump-immunity-hearing-court-case-5th-avenue-quote).
It's really quite shocking. And the whole Trump Derangement Syndrome accusation is just a way for folks to rationalize dismissing how uniquely awful Trump is.
That's an interesting word, 'collude', meaning to meet with or work secretly with someone, typically in an effort to deceive or cheat.
It is doubtless true that Trump reps did meet with Russian reps on occasion in an effort to determine if there was something there that could benefit the campaign. In fact I would guess that Trump's people met with thousands of individuals from any number of places over the course of the campaign to do exactly that whenever possible. Heck, I'm sure all the candidates did.
It's the 'deceive or cheat' portion of the word which seems dubious.
Of course we might quite accurately argue that every candidate works as hard as they can (and spend millions of dollars accordingly) to 'deceive' the electorate to buy the exact brand of 'Miracle Solutions' that they're selling. It's called politics. But doing all that is not criminal. It's normal.
Just like it's normal that the U.S. government meets regularly with political candidates all across the world to seek to influence their elections.
It's how all this stuff works.
Or doesn't work, as the case may be.
Obviously if all it took was a coupla million dollars and a few meetings to grab an election victory, the $14.4B that was actually spent in 2020 was entirely unnecessary (which, in fact, it may have been....though you'll never convince either party of that)
As for the ad hominem attacks against Trump...they're everywhere. Entirely forgettable...like John, here, calling him a gorilla.
Bdarn1: I'm afraid this is exactly the kind of comment that just reinforces how Trump degrades the norms of our democracy. You seem to think that it's a regular occurrence for presidential campaigns to meet with the intelligence services and other members of hostile governments to see how these governments can help them win the election.
But that simply isn't the case. It's something that never happened before (and would have been considered a campaign ending scandal if it did). But somehow Trump supporters rationalize it as normal behavior.
Sadly, while I didn't believe it at the time, I actually think Trump famous remark that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any voters is probably accurate. Folks like you would doubtless come up with some way to rationalize it as normal or justified. And you would no doubt support Trump's claim of immunity from prosecution for it as well (https://www.axios.com/2024/01/10/trump-immunity-hearing-court-case-5th-avenue-quote).
It's really quite shocking. And the whole Trump Derangement Syndrome accusation is just a way for folks to rationalize dismissing how uniquely awful Trump is.