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Jonathan Rauch – A Liberal Defense of Free Speech
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Jonathan Rauch – A Liberal Defense of Free Speech

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The suppression of free speech—the cancelation of unpopular speakers and the banishment of counterintuitive ideas—threatens the very foundation of democratic society. There isn’t, or at least there shouldn’t be, anything partisan about that sentiment. I believe that, and so does my guest this week, Brookings Institute Senior Fellow Jonathan Rauch, who serves alongside me on the University of Austin’s advisory board. Jonathan is a man with liberal inclinations, and it is exactly those inclinations that have led him to become a vociferous defender of free speech.

I begin the conversation by asking Jonathan why he thinks cancelation is so wrongheaded, even in the case of someone whose ideas he might oppose on principle, like Charles Murray. Jonathan argues that free speech is a more powerful and effective tool for winning minority rights than cancelation, and he uses the successes of the LGBT rights movement as an example. Much of his argument for speech relies on the necessity of institutions—like academia and the legal system—to provide material support for free speech rights. “The marketplace of ideas” is necessary, but a marketplace can’t function without some regulatory system to enforce its rules. This notion explains why Jonathan thinks Donald Trump posed such a threat to democratic order—he runs down what he sees as Trump’s strategic use of disinformation to maintain power and political support. And yet, in his view, the MAGA crowd and the woke have much in common when it comes to debasing speech and free exchange. For all the problems we’re facing, Jonathan remains hopeful that we’re building tools to safeguard “the constitution of knowledge.”

If we’re going to keep free speech alive, advocates of all political persuasions are going to have to come together on the issue. Neither liberals nor conservatives can do it alone, and more conversations like this one are going to have to take place.

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Featured Content from the Manhattan Institute

Ilya Shapiro: “The letter that Stanford Law School Dean Jenny Martinez issued last week in response to the disruption of U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit Judge Kyle Duncan's speech is the best exposition of free speech values that we've seen from a prominent university official in this contentious period of degraded campus culture.”


0:00 What’s wrong with cancelation?

13:28 A defense of Charles Murray

21:24 Cancelation and the closet

28:08 Jonathan’s book, The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth

39:35 Jonathan: “The marketplace of ideas” is a necessary but insufficient metaphor

42:51 Is Trump an agent of disinformation?

54:22 What the woke and MAGA crowds have in common

59:41 Why Jonathan is hopeful about the constitution of knowledge

Recorded February 6, 2022


Links and Readings

Jonathan’s latest book, The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth

Jonathan’s book, Kindly Inquisitors: The New Attacks on Free Thought

Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s book, The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life

Jeff Gerth’s four-part Columbia Journalism Review series on Trump and the press

Stanford’s Internet Observatory


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