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Really appreciate you having Taibbi on. I find him to be a fair minded guy that comes from a different persuasion from myself so it's always illuminating.

I would love to have you and John have a far more expanded conversation on your question to John. Why don't people have a sense of tribe in the United States? I understand that we all have intersectional groups we belong to, but we are all still American. I'd love to have you explore this topic more.

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