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I think we have heard about enough from Bessner in this format. This is the third time I’ve heard him on this show. I’m disappointed Dr. Loury doesn’t push back more. I understand why bc Dr. Loury is not a historian and Bessner is. But when Bessner makes what seem to me to be statements unsupportable by facts without strong refutation, it becomes difficult to continue to listen. Bessner had a smug know-it-all delivery that is quite off putting. Dr. Loury’s humility in knowing the limits of his knowledge is not matched by Bessner in any meaningful way. Bessner comes off as wholly anti-American as well as anti-capitalist. At least on that latter point, I would expect Dr. Loury to vigorously contest his assertions. Long story short, I hope if he is invited back the counter arguments to his assertions are more robustly delivered.

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