I have so many questions. How many of these countries have diverse populations? How will they deal with the influx of refugees? Do those from unsuccessful socialist countries near their borders look to move there? What are their legal immigration requirements? How many require some type of work requirements for the safety net? How good is the healthcare and how restrictive? Here they talk of Medicare-for All, but unless you pay for Secondary or Supplemental insurance it is quite restrictive. CMMS basically "manages" most healthcare guidelines & most insurers follow them. Do these countries have a robust investment community & stock market? Does the wealthy investment class or wealthy hereditary class "pay their fair share" or shelter ass much as possible? Is crypto the new Swiss bank account? I ask these without sarcasm.
All good questions Nancy. I don't have the answers of course. As a retired person who is rich in time to spend as he pleases I looked up the diverse question and the answer ethnically is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/ but basically the USA is not very diverse ethnically. If you ask culturally it is here: https://www.londonschool.com/lsic/resources/blog/united-states-land-cultural-diversity/ and the answer culturally is the USA is very much diverse...a "melting pot" as we say. The migration question that I was thinking about is people moving from places where they could grow crops, raise animals, did not require air conditioning to live comfortably but now because they are so hot they can't live there any longer thus they will move just to survive. They will be desperate people. One of the reasons there was so much Syrian immigration was not just over the war. It was over the lack of water from drought and the heat. People had to move to survive. Of course, the war made things just worse. Immigrations requirements will not stop them if they are desperate. You likely know what happened in Europe so we can expect more of that scene as climate change becomes more compelling to survival in some parts of the world like Central America for example. As for work requirements to access (there will be no jobs to access by the way in the near future due to the AI and climate change) the safety net, well, if we in the USA want to live with many, many more people living in the streets than today we will have to give up the notion of work requirements. It probably won't be as bad as India with folks living in the streets but it will be much larger than I think many in the USA will feel good about having in the streets. We also will have to build a state-of-the-art "tech wall" of drones, listening devices, visual devices, robots, etc. on the southern border to hold back and/or capture those that are coming our way from the south. Then when we do capture them we will have to push them back to Mexico to squalor or take care of them in the USA. It all is just not going to be very pretty is my thinking. Enough. End the rant. I am sure you get the idea. I certainly hope I am very wrong in these matters and I am not an optimist in the matter.
Thanks for taking the time to do some research and respond so quickly. As noted much of the data in the first article is old. With the increased emphasis on identity and population increases over the last few decades, I wonder if the map would look different. Here in the US, I can't remember when the census started breaking down the race/ethnicity questions into more categories. I understand why people migrate, but my question was more from the other side. How are the people in these social democracies responding to the new immigrants & refugees? Are they impacting the "safety net" negatively/positively(getting jobs & paying taxes)/not at all? I have heard anecdotally that some of the European countries require some work and will find people jobs, but not sure how that works or if really does. Can't imagine would here. AI will impact some jobs, esp. non-skilled & semi-skilled, but I assume will create others. To some extent so will climate change along with different livable areas. (Still have Shellenberger's book to read.) My other question for those proponents of the "Scandinavian" model is if it's so great why don't you try living there? (can read with sarcasm)
Your welcome. Easy if one is retired. I have not read up on how people are responding to the migrations in Europe in depth. Just off the top of my head from my reading not too well in most countries to awful in a couple like Poland and especially Hungary. Germany has been the best at accepting them since they realize they need them. That said Germany has had an alarming increase in hard-right parties being supported by the voters. Here is a good article on the issue https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-09-23/countries-less-accepting-of-migrants-study-finds I do think that the nature of human beings who are so tribal that the knee-jerk reaction is to reject people not "like me" and these migrants won't be "like me". The whole AI impact is well fleshed out with numbers here: https://techjury.net/blog/jobs-lost-to-automation-statistics/#gref From my reading I think they are a bit optimistic that it won't impact professionals much. AI already reads X-rays and MRIs better than a human radiologist MD. Attorneys are being replaced by AI as well and have been for 5 or 10 years by AI. My B.A. degreed computer scientist nephew who made well into the six figures in a job says he is already retraining in more specialized areas since he can see AI will be writing the code that he is writing these days very soon. Additionally, per the article, while there will be new jobs created from AI they will be for educated people who can re-train into them. As for the piece read with sarcasm on why don't you try living there. In my reading, the younger crowd are very much predisposed to like socialism see here: https://news.gallup.com/poll/268766/socialism-popular-capitalism-among-young-adults.aspx I doubt these numbers have gone anywhere but up since the pandemic. Thus in the long run as the older generations exit the scene the long-term trend favors socialist approaches over capitalistic ones it seems. I of course don't have a dog in the hunt as I won't be here for the situation unless reincarnation is what is next. I just figure it is not going to be pretty. You might want to look at this article: Social physics: Are we at a tipping point in world history?
Again thanx for all your time. I haven't had time to read the articles and probably won't til tomorrow or Thursday. Didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.
Awwww kind of you to be thinking of me. I am fine. It is fun for me to investigate these things for my own education. Just the joy of learning for the sake of learning. I have a bit of the academic in me. Then if others benefit from my efforts when I post the info so much the better. If you don't have an interest then, no worries, you can just move on and I won't be offended. I did not have time for this type of research and posting when I was working etc. either.
Hi again. So much to unpack here so I will try to keep as brief as possible ( Am also a slow typist.)
1.) I believe that the Scandinavian countries attitudes toward "socialism" stems from a long history of isolation & insulation. For millennia these areas were sparsely populated, dominated by hunter/fishing/gathering peoples living communally until the glaciers retreated enough to farm. Agriculture settles people, populations grow and groups become more social-centered (centrally governed by strong leaders, then anointed kings). I'm not sure they ever really embraced mercantilism then capitalism as in other parts of Europe. They had very little contact with significantly different peoples as they had nothing most invaders would want or land too cold to conquer. They did some raiding, but took very little culture back with them. The more "civilized" like the Greeks & Romans had no influence and Christianity came very late and was probably quite watered down versions incorporating a lot of their traditions. I think it made them more open to Protestantism. The Low Countries also were not part of the Roman Empire and more influenced by Germanic cultures. Very similar Christianization. Eastern Europe on the other hand was frequently invaded, conquered and divided up by various peoples, some of whom stayed, and better climate. Christianity came to them in a more orthodox way. Most of north-eastern Europe had almost little to no contact with any Semitic, Muslim or African Black groups.
2.) If the stat on AI & jobs are true, then shouldn't government and private business be spending more time, energy and resources on education, training ang retraining than identities, diversity and multi-culturism? Identity Studies will not ready someone those job as STEM studies will.
3.) I am usually very skeptical of polls. Who did they survey? Where in the country? What work experience do they have? Were they in college (where), vocational training(what fields) or out in the work force? What is their level of financial literacy? Do they have money in the bank? Are they in debt? (college, credit card). What's the racial breakdown? How were questions worded? With all the liberal GenXers educating the young, is it a surprise.
4.) VERY INTERESTING! Like Black Swans. I don't really understand how to know except in hindsight if the end of a movement will be good or bad? Kinda if reminds me of the computer in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" that was invented to answer the question of Life, the Universe and Everything".
I have so many questions. How many of these countries have diverse populations? How will they deal with the influx of refugees? Do those from unsuccessful socialist countries near their borders look to move there? What are their legal immigration requirements? How many require some type of work requirements for the safety net? How good is the healthcare and how restrictive? Here they talk of Medicare-for All, but unless you pay for Secondary or Supplemental insurance it is quite restrictive. CMMS basically "manages" most healthcare guidelines & most insurers follow them. Do these countries have a robust investment community & stock market? Does the wealthy investment class or wealthy hereditary class "pay their fair share" or shelter ass much as possible? Is crypto the new Swiss bank account? I ask these without sarcasm.
All good questions Nancy. I don't have the answers of course. As a retired person who is rich in time to spend as he pleases I looked up the diverse question and the answer ethnically is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/ but basically the USA is not very diverse ethnically. If you ask culturally it is here: https://www.londonschool.com/lsic/resources/blog/united-states-land-cultural-diversity/ and the answer culturally is the USA is very much diverse...a "melting pot" as we say. The migration question that I was thinking about is people moving from places where they could grow crops, raise animals, did not require air conditioning to live comfortably but now because they are so hot they can't live there any longer thus they will move just to survive. They will be desperate people. One of the reasons there was so much Syrian immigration was not just over the war. It was over the lack of water from drought and the heat. People had to move to survive. Of course, the war made things just worse. Immigrations requirements will not stop them if they are desperate. You likely know what happened in Europe so we can expect more of that scene as climate change becomes more compelling to survival in some parts of the world like Central America for example. As for work requirements to access (there will be no jobs to access by the way in the near future due to the AI and climate change) the safety net, well, if we in the USA want to live with many, many more people living in the streets than today we will have to give up the notion of work requirements. It probably won't be as bad as India with folks living in the streets but it will be much larger than I think many in the USA will feel good about having in the streets. We also will have to build a state-of-the-art "tech wall" of drones, listening devices, visual devices, robots, etc. on the southern border to hold back and/or capture those that are coming our way from the south. Then when we do capture them we will have to push them back to Mexico to squalor or take care of them in the USA. It all is just not going to be very pretty is my thinking. Enough. End the rant. I am sure you get the idea. I certainly hope I am very wrong in these matters and I am not an optimist in the matter.
Thanks for taking the time to do some research and respond so quickly. As noted much of the data in the first article is old. With the increased emphasis on identity and population increases over the last few decades, I wonder if the map would look different. Here in the US, I can't remember when the census started breaking down the race/ethnicity questions into more categories. I understand why people migrate, but my question was more from the other side. How are the people in these social democracies responding to the new immigrants & refugees? Are they impacting the "safety net" negatively/positively(getting jobs & paying taxes)/not at all? I have heard anecdotally that some of the European countries require some work and will find people jobs, but not sure how that works or if really does. Can't imagine would here. AI will impact some jobs, esp. non-skilled & semi-skilled, but I assume will create others. To some extent so will climate change along with different livable areas. (Still have Shellenberger's book to read.) My other question for those proponents of the "Scandinavian" model is if it's so great why don't you try living there? (can read with sarcasm)
Your welcome. Easy if one is retired. I have not read up on how people are responding to the migrations in Europe in depth. Just off the top of my head from my reading not too well in most countries to awful in a couple like Poland and especially Hungary. Germany has been the best at accepting them since they realize they need them. That said Germany has had an alarming increase in hard-right parties being supported by the voters. Here is a good article on the issue https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-09-23/countries-less-accepting-of-migrants-study-finds I do think that the nature of human beings who are so tribal that the knee-jerk reaction is to reject people not "like me" and these migrants won't be "like me". The whole AI impact is well fleshed out with numbers here: https://techjury.net/blog/jobs-lost-to-automation-statistics/#gref From my reading I think they are a bit optimistic that it won't impact professionals much. AI already reads X-rays and MRIs better than a human radiologist MD. Attorneys are being replaced by AI as well and have been for 5 or 10 years by AI. My B.A. degreed computer scientist nephew who made well into the six figures in a job says he is already retraining in more specialized areas since he can see AI will be writing the code that he is writing these days very soon. Additionally, per the article, while there will be new jobs created from AI they will be for educated people who can re-train into them. As for the piece read with sarcasm on why don't you try living there. In my reading, the younger crowd are very much predisposed to like socialism see here: https://news.gallup.com/poll/268766/socialism-popular-capitalism-among-young-adults.aspx I doubt these numbers have gone anywhere but up since the pandemic. Thus in the long run as the older generations exit the scene the long-term trend favors socialist approaches over capitalistic ones it seems. I of course don't have a dog in the hunt as I won't be here for the situation unless reincarnation is what is next. I just figure it is not going to be pretty. You might want to look at this article: Social physics: Are we at a tipping point in world history?
https://bigthink.com/13-8/tipping-point-history-social-physics?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weeklynewsletter Alright, I will give it a rest. Likely you need to work or something and I do not.
Again thanx for all your time. I haven't had time to read the articles and probably won't til tomorrow or Thursday. Didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.
Awwww kind of you to be thinking of me. I am fine. It is fun for me to investigate these things for my own education. Just the joy of learning for the sake of learning. I have a bit of the academic in me. Then if others benefit from my efforts when I post the info so much the better. If you don't have an interest then, no worries, you can just move on and I won't be offended. I did not have time for this type of research and posting when I was working etc. either.
Hi again. So much to unpack here so I will try to keep as brief as possible ( Am also a slow typist.)
1.) I believe that the Scandinavian countries attitudes toward "socialism" stems from a long history of isolation & insulation. For millennia these areas were sparsely populated, dominated by hunter/fishing/gathering peoples living communally until the glaciers retreated enough to farm. Agriculture settles people, populations grow and groups become more social-centered (centrally governed by strong leaders, then anointed kings). I'm not sure they ever really embraced mercantilism then capitalism as in other parts of Europe. They had very little contact with significantly different peoples as they had nothing most invaders would want or land too cold to conquer. They did some raiding, but took very little culture back with them. The more "civilized" like the Greeks & Romans had no influence and Christianity came very late and was probably quite watered down versions incorporating a lot of their traditions. I think it made them more open to Protestantism. The Low Countries also were not part of the Roman Empire and more influenced by Germanic cultures. Very similar Christianization. Eastern Europe on the other hand was frequently invaded, conquered and divided up by various peoples, some of whom stayed, and better climate. Christianity came to them in a more orthodox way. Most of north-eastern Europe had almost little to no contact with any Semitic, Muslim or African Black groups.
2.) If the stat on AI & jobs are true, then shouldn't government and private business be spending more time, energy and resources on education, training ang retraining than identities, diversity and multi-culturism? Identity Studies will not ready someone those job as STEM studies will.
3.) I am usually very skeptical of polls. Who did they survey? Where in the country? What work experience do they have? Were they in college (where), vocational training(what fields) or out in the work force? What is their level of financial literacy? Do they have money in the bank? Are they in debt? (college, credit card). What's the racial breakdown? How were questions worded? With all the liberal GenXers educating the young, is it a surprise.
4.) VERY INTERESTING! Like Black Swans. I don't really understand how to know except in hindsight if the end of a movement will be good or bad? Kinda if reminds me of the computer in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" that was invented to answer the question of Life, the Universe and Everything".