"Sons of Rich Black Families Fare No Better Than Sons of Working-Class Whites"
The archived article I link to below is from NYTimes from 2018. To me, it looks like it seems to say that the lack of father'/other male figures in the lives of young and adolescent black males is the cause of deep disarray. Which was the essence of that 60s Daniel Patrick Moynahan report for which he was made practically persona non grata.
But do you sense that the writers are reluctant to foreground that explanation which is why it appears fairly late in the article and seems strained? It's almost as if the writers, knowing its audience, want to report the truth but are reluctant to do so because that admission hacks into the grain of so many progressive beliefs. Thoughts?
That was interesting! I’m sure this wasn’t supposed to be the takeaway… but they point out that black and white girls fare about the same as each other (actually the line for black girls is a little higher) but the white girls’ line is virtually identical to the black boys’ line. They totally glossed over that… usually people argue women “choose” lower paid jobs. I wonder if the same argument can be made in this case? I personally studied engineering, and the argument was that girls advanced/earned less because they weren’t willing to move to Saudi Arabia or rural Maine or wherever… I wonder if the same arguments would hold true here as well?
I didn’t feel like they glossed over fatherhood as much as you did. What I got was boys do better in areas where dual parenthood is the norm, whether or not their fathers are there. In a way this makes a lot of sense. Living in a world where there are no good role models puts you at a major disadvantage. I grew up in a one parent household, and I learned a lot by watching my friends’ family dynamics.
The most shocking thing was the increase in incarceration even with wealthy parents. It’s really hard to look at isolated data and get much from it. Either there is in fact terrible systemic racism, complex cultural dynamics, or something else people aren’t talking about yet. Super interesting though.
"Sons of Rich Black Families Fare No Better Than Sons of Working-Class Whites"
The archived article I link to below is from NYTimes from 2018. To me, it looks like it seems to say that the lack of father'/other male figures in the lives of young and adolescent black males is the cause of deep disarray. Which was the essence of that 60s Daniel Patrick Moynahan report for which he was made practically persona non grata.
But do you sense that the writers are reluctant to foreground that explanation which is why it appears fairly late in the article and seems strained? It's almost as if the writers, knowing its audience, want to report the truth but are reluctant to do so because that admission hacks into the grain of so many progressive beliefs. Thoughts?
https://web.archive.org/web/20180319095004/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html
That was interesting! I’m sure this wasn’t supposed to be the takeaway… but they point out that black and white girls fare about the same as each other (actually the line for black girls is a little higher) but the white girls’ line is virtually identical to the black boys’ line. They totally glossed over that… usually people argue women “choose” lower paid jobs. I wonder if the same argument can be made in this case? I personally studied engineering, and the argument was that girls advanced/earned less because they weren’t willing to move to Saudi Arabia or rural Maine or wherever… I wonder if the same arguments would hold true here as well?
I didn’t feel like they glossed over fatherhood as much as you did. What I got was boys do better in areas where dual parenthood is the norm, whether or not their fathers are there. In a way this makes a lot of sense. Living in a world where there are no good role models puts you at a major disadvantage. I grew up in a one parent household, and I learned a lot by watching my friends’ family dynamics.
The most shocking thing was the increase in incarceration even with wealthy parents. It’s really hard to look at isolated data and get much from it. Either there is in fact terrible systemic racism, complex cultural dynamics, or something else people aren’t talking about yet. Super interesting though.
Strong moral parents provide children with the essential ideals and values that foster ego integrity and grit.