One repetitive theme I see in the book is to attack the Left almost as if the Right is nonexistent. To be fair Dr.Cherry does say that Conservatives are rigid in that they want to see changes in personal behavior before they are willing to see tax dollars go to programs to address the problem.
When it comes to the Left, Dr. Cherry has no problem naming specific individuals. Michelle Obama, who championed including more fruits and vegetables is called out because she did not vigorously support former NYC Mayor Bloomberg’s ban on sugary drinks that accounted for 10% of welfare recipient food budgets.
Bryan Stevenson is singled out because in his objection to mass incarceration, Stevenson failed to mention that Black politicians supported the 1994 crime bill. The implication is that no Black person on the Left criticized the Black politicians who supported the crime bill.
Former Black prosecutor James Forman Jr. who opposes mass incarceration names Black politicians who supported the crime bill in his 2018 book “Locking Up Our Own: Crime and Punishment in Black America”
Excerpt from the Amazon review
Forman shows us that the first substantial cohort of black mayors, judges, and police chiefs took office amid a surge in crime and drug addiction. Many prominent black officials, including Washington, D.C. mayor Marion Barry and federal prosecutor Eric Holder, feared that the gains of the civil rights movement were being undermined by lawlessness―and thus embraced tough-on-crime measures, including longer sentences and aggressive police tactics. In the face of skyrocketing murder rates and the proliferation of open-air drug markets, they believed they had no choice. But the policies they adopted would have devastating consequences for residents of poor black neighborhoods.
I can’t really say that the book has provided anything new. While a few niceties are tossed in, Dr Cherry sees the Left as his major target. I will keep trying to plod through.
Edit to add also from the Amazon review
"Locking Up Our Own is an engaging, insightful, and provocative reexamination of over-incarceration in the black community. James Forman Jr. carefully exposes the complexities of crime, criminal justice, and race. What he illuminates should not be ignored." ―Bryan Stevenson, author of Just Mercy and founder of the Equal Justice Initiative
I didn't read the book. Apparently I was wrong then. Cherry is no less an abusive shit than Goldblatt or Finkelstein or Amy Wax although Cherry kept it under wraps in the interview here.
These are fundamentally miserable individuals who have a pathological need of someone to hate. If all the woke vanished they would necessarily turn their misery inward against themselves. Look no further than Donald Trump for evidence of that reality. They hate him but they cannot touch him because they are him and he is them. He is just much better at being them than they are.
I’m still in the early stages of the book. Perhaps my impression will change when he goes deeper into solutions. My antennae go up when I repeatedly read about the Left this and the Left that. Conservatives are making a concerted effort to program our children into a state oriented education. They want a Uni-mind that only allows their point of view.
So far, I have not seen Dr Cherry offer anything that differs from what has been argued before. The fact that he cherry-picks people like Michelle Obama and Bryan Stevenson as problems with the “Left” is concerning and ignores the multiple voices on the Left who criticize others on the Left. We will see if the argument gets better.
I agree on the point about the Uni-mind. Why are conservatives so fixated on forcing children to go through public schools? I love the liberal approach in that families should be allowed to choose which school best addresses their child's needs and education track.
Your argument probably works on Conservative sites. DeSantis is using Christopher Rufo to take over a college in Florida. The Conservative group Moms for Liberty is trying to dictate which books are allowed in schools. Your argument and weak attempt at humor fails. Conservatives do not want diverse opinions.
Not sure it's worth my time replying but here goes.
Who said I agreed with either of the two groups you mentioned, of which I personally know nothing about? It's possible I could agree with them, but that would be beside the point. School choice seems to be a viable and reasonable solution to this problem you have with these (bullying) groups you disagree with. It allows the family the opportunity to educate their children in an environment and within a curriculum that best suits their child's needs and values.
How is the current "Uni-mind" system any different than the "Uni-mind" system the conservative groups are advocating for? Different curriculum but same forced curriculum results. Why, under the present, one option fits all approach, is there no room for discussion and discourse about what curriculum is appropriate and most relevant to our children achievhing their highest potential? We should just accept what someone finds to be the most redeemable and righteous curriculum because they say we should and just accept that? You're not buying that from the conservative groups and I'm not buying that from you either.
One repetitive theme I see in the book is to attack the Left almost as if the Right is nonexistent. To be fair Dr.Cherry does say that Conservatives are rigid in that they want to see changes in personal behavior before they are willing to see tax dollars go to programs to address the problem.
When it comes to the Left, Dr. Cherry has no problem naming specific individuals. Michelle Obama, who championed including more fruits and vegetables is called out because she did not vigorously support former NYC Mayor Bloomberg’s ban on sugary drinks that accounted for 10% of welfare recipient food budgets.
Bryan Stevenson is singled out because in his objection to mass incarceration, Stevenson failed to mention that Black politicians supported the 1994 crime bill. The implication is that no Black person on the Left criticized the Black politicians who supported the crime bill.
Former Black prosecutor James Forman Jr. who opposes mass incarceration names Black politicians who supported the crime bill in his 2018 book “Locking Up Our Own: Crime and Punishment in Black America”
Excerpt from the Amazon review
Forman shows us that the first substantial cohort of black mayors, judges, and police chiefs took office amid a surge in crime and drug addiction. Many prominent black officials, including Washington, D.C. mayor Marion Barry and federal prosecutor Eric Holder, feared that the gains of the civil rights movement were being undermined by lawlessness―and thus embraced tough-on-crime measures, including longer sentences and aggressive police tactics. In the face of skyrocketing murder rates and the proliferation of open-air drug markets, they believed they had no choice. But the policies they adopted would have devastating consequences for residents of poor black neighborhoods.
I can’t really say that the book has provided anything new. While a few niceties are tossed in, Dr Cherry sees the Left as his major target. I will keep trying to plod through.
Edit to add also from the Amazon review
"Locking Up Our Own is an engaging, insightful, and provocative reexamination of over-incarceration in the black community. James Forman Jr. carefully exposes the complexities of crime, criminal justice, and race. What he illuminates should not be ignored." ―Bryan Stevenson, author of Just Mercy and founder of the Equal Justice Initiative
I didn't read the book. Apparently I was wrong then. Cherry is no less an abusive shit than Goldblatt or Finkelstein or Amy Wax although Cherry kept it under wraps in the interview here.
These are fundamentally miserable individuals who have a pathological need of someone to hate. If all the woke vanished they would necessarily turn their misery inward against themselves. Look no further than Donald Trump for evidence of that reality. They hate him but they cannot touch him because they are him and he is them. He is just much better at being them than they are.
I’m still in the early stages of the book. Perhaps my impression will change when he goes deeper into solutions. My antennae go up when I repeatedly read about the Left this and the Left that. Conservatives are making a concerted effort to program our children into a state oriented education. They want a Uni-mind that only allows their point of view.
So far, I have not seen Dr Cherry offer anything that differs from what has been argued before. The fact that he cherry-picks people like Michelle Obama and Bryan Stevenson as problems with the “Left” is concerning and ignores the multiple voices on the Left who criticize others on the Left. We will see if the argument gets better.
I agree on the point about the Uni-mind. Why are conservatives so fixated on forcing children to go through public schools? I love the liberal approach in that families should be allowed to choose which school best addresses their child's needs and education track.
Your argument probably works on Conservative sites. DeSantis is using Christopher Rufo to take over a college in Florida. The Conservative group Moms for Liberty is trying to dictate which books are allowed in schools. Your argument and weak attempt at humor fails. Conservatives do not want diverse opinions.
Not sure it's worth my time replying but here goes.
Who said I agreed with either of the two groups you mentioned, of which I personally know nothing about? It's possible I could agree with them, but that would be beside the point. School choice seems to be a viable and reasonable solution to this problem you have with these (bullying) groups you disagree with. It allows the family the opportunity to educate their children in an environment and within a curriculum that best suits their child's needs and values.
How is the current "Uni-mind" system any different than the "Uni-mind" system the conservative groups are advocating for? Different curriculum but same forced curriculum results. Why, under the present, one option fits all approach, is there no room for discussion and discourse about what curriculum is appropriate and most relevant to our children achievhing their highest potential? We should just accept what someone finds to be the most redeemable and righteous curriculum because they say we should and just accept that? You're not buying that from the conservative groups and I'm not buying that from you either.
You seem stuck on a double standard here.
You said Conservatives supported forced attendance at public schools. Conservatives are well known for supporting charter schools.
Liberals are not known for supporting school choice.
I interpreted your post as snark, thus the response.
Edited corrected
forced attendance rather than force attendance