The argument so far …I’m white. I got mine, you Blacks got yours to get. If businesses choose to discriminate, that is their affair. This is the message of Barry Goldwater’s Presidential campaign. We need reminders of what Conservatives believe.
Thomas Sowell is Booker T. Washington 2.0. He is a Conservative hero in the same vein as Candace Owens. These discussions are fascinating.
Hey Robert, there are plenty of people of all races who think “I got mine!” I wouldn’t think of myself as that type, as I believe taxes should be higher, mine specifically even. But I found myself basically sounding like that talking with a lovely young black man working a menial job (transporting patients in the hospital as a contractor) who wanted to “burn it all down”. I was lucky, worked hard, and made good choices so my family could be safe and comfortable. I want that for everyone, granted, but I don’t want to lose what I have. I suspect even the poorest don’t want to give up what they have, they’d say take from that other guy with more… would you want to give up what you have? Just to say… it’s easy to dismiss people and mischaracterize them.
Wealth is a mindset as much or more than a bank account. The "burn it all down" crowd would take yours and just add it to the pile. The politics of envy is no respecter of person or color, anyone can be poor of character.
Enjoy what you have earned and do what you can to help others earn theirs. That will be empowering for both of you and you both will be richer.
My assessment applies to what I see presented by the modern Conservative movement. My current solution is to vote as many of them out of office as I can. Conservatives are a threat to my children’s education and if they had their way would take away my ability to vote. I do not see Conservatives fighting against the racists in their ranks. I don’t think that I am mischaracterizing Conservatives.
As for the young man who wants to burn it all down, I strongly disagree with his position. I think voting can still make a difference. I do not see Conservatives creating a situation where that young man can advance. A Conservative icon is suing a venture capital group formed to provide funding for Black and Latino women. Conservatives go out of their way to make themselves my enemy. My solution is Vote.
Edit to add
DeSantis allows children to be exposed to Prager U
Conservatives are silent
The Governor of Arkansas bans AP African American studies two days before schools open
Republicans are silent
Alabama ignores a Supreme Court ruling on voting districts
Republicans are silent
The Governor of Texas puts up barbed wire to injure immigrants
I don’t disagree with your take on modern conservatives. My point is more that we need to be clear about what we are talking about. “Burn it all down” is a feeling of frustration on both sides of the political spectrum who see what others have as unfairly theirs or unearned. “I got mine” is a retreat from public discourse fueled, in my opinion, by a similar sense that our problems (maybe can but definitely) *won’t* be solved by government action. I agree on the importance of our civic voice and voting: I just also hope we will all educate ourselves about different perspectives and impacts before we do, so our vote represents both our personal but also our societal interests. Do you know what I mean?
Burn it all down makes no sense. Conservatives are the group that openly states government doesn’t work. They then run for office, obstruct and prove that government doesn’t work. The only solution is to vote for the person who is not a Conservative. Conservatives are not going to educate themselves. Conservatives want an uneducated public. What message do you have to change the Conservative mind?
Edit to add:
Kumbaya is not going to have any impact on Conservations. Liberals and Independents are the only option to avoid authoritarian government.
I am not a conservative. I am a moderate liberal (I ditched progressive as a label a few years back). Many of the Bernie supporters backed Trump because they really wanted to burn it down. So it really isn’t just conservatives. But let’s talk conservatives….
My dad was a conservative until a few years ago. It started under Obama when he saw the deep vein of racism that still ran through America. He saw the Trump movement as a throw back to a time he had actually lived through, but without the civility and personal responsibility that had shaped him. He looked on as his fellow conservatives were unwilling to embrace easy, common sense solutions to fix problems because their base was spun up into a rage fueled tizzy. As a lifetime member of the NRA, he wondered if the second amendment makes sense in America today. After seeing the way his catholic mother and baptist father fought over religion, he cringed to see our public policy be ripped from someone’s sacred book. As a supporter of Reagan in the 80s, he had to admit trickle down economics wasn’t what it was marketed to be. He read about climate change and future mass extinctions and wondered what kind of legacy he was leaving his grandchildren. He still believed that the local level is the best place to govern, but saw that local governments can be corrupted. He was a scientist though, and scientists are well practiced at reconsidering their previous positions when evidence contradicts it. I don’t think he’s alone, though many are afraid to go against their own “team” and faced with the vitriol of “the other side” why should they?
The racism and anti-education positions I see from Conservatives are deal breakers. I don’t see pointing out actual Conservative policy positions as vitriol. I previously noted that this site has posts titled”Kamala is Wrong Again”. You could literally label many posts “ What the Negroes Did Wrong Today”. There was one post asking whether Obama or a grifter like Clarence Thomas was more moral. I’m sorry, but the nonsense I see from the Conservative side does not give me hope that there can be any reconciliation until they come to their senses. I know this may seem oft putting to your father, but I think the reason that Conservatives devolved into authoritarians was precisely because they were coddled.
They wanted to lock up Hillary. The Obama’s were portrayed as animals or pimps. Goldwater and Reagan were not subtle about supporting state’s right. What we see now is the result of not calling out the racism and bigotry early on.
The best thing about this site is that Conservatives are revealing their beliefs to the public. Usually they keep the quiet part to themselves. This is a goldmine.
Edit to add:
Conservatives like to post things like “Kamala is Wrong again” or whine about “Woke Racism”, but the public notes the silence of Conservatives on the bigotry and racism within their own ranks. They can have a more civilized version of it in a Presidential candidate who told Don Lemon the Civil War was fought so Blacks could have access to guns and Juneteenth is a “useless” holiday, but we know who the red meat is geared to attract.
Conservatives align themselves who Proud Boys and then feign surprise when caught.
The argument so far …I’m white. I got mine, you Blacks got yours to get. If businesses choose to discriminate, that is their affair. This is the message of Barry Goldwater’s Presidential campaign. We need reminders of what Conservatives believe.
Thomas Sowell is Booker T. Washington 2.0. He is a Conservative hero in the same vein as Candace Owens. These discussions are fascinating.
Hey Robert, there are plenty of people of all races who think “I got mine!” I wouldn’t think of myself as that type, as I believe taxes should be higher, mine specifically even. But I found myself basically sounding like that talking with a lovely young black man working a menial job (transporting patients in the hospital as a contractor) who wanted to “burn it all down”. I was lucky, worked hard, and made good choices so my family could be safe and comfortable. I want that for everyone, granted, but I don’t want to lose what I have. I suspect even the poorest don’t want to give up what they have, they’d say take from that other guy with more… would you want to give up what you have? Just to say… it’s easy to dismiss people and mischaracterize them.
Wealth is a mindset as much or more than a bank account. The "burn it all down" crowd would take yours and just add it to the pile. The politics of envy is no respecter of person or color, anyone can be poor of character.
Enjoy what you have earned and do what you can to help others earn theirs. That will be empowering for both of you and you both will be richer.
My assessment applies to what I see presented by the modern Conservative movement. My current solution is to vote as many of them out of office as I can. Conservatives are a threat to my children’s education and if they had their way would take away my ability to vote. I do not see Conservatives fighting against the racists in their ranks. I don’t think that I am mischaracterizing Conservatives.
As for the young man who wants to burn it all down, I strongly disagree with his position. I think voting can still make a difference. I do not see Conservatives creating a situation where that young man can advance. A Conservative icon is suing a venture capital group formed to provide funding for Black and Latino women. Conservatives go out of their way to make themselves my enemy. My solution is Vote.
Edit to add
DeSantis allows children to be exposed to Prager U
Conservatives are silent
The Governor of Arkansas bans AP African American studies two days before schools open
Republicans are silent
Alabama ignores a Supreme Court ruling on voting districts
Republicans are silent
The Governor of Texas puts up barbed wire to injure immigrants
Republicans are silent
The list goes on and on.
I don’t disagree with your take on modern conservatives. My point is more that we need to be clear about what we are talking about. “Burn it all down” is a feeling of frustration on both sides of the political spectrum who see what others have as unfairly theirs or unearned. “I got mine” is a retreat from public discourse fueled, in my opinion, by a similar sense that our problems (maybe can but definitely) *won’t* be solved by government action. I agree on the importance of our civic voice and voting: I just also hope we will all educate ourselves about different perspectives and impacts before we do, so our vote represents both our personal but also our societal interests. Do you know what I mean?
Burn it all down makes no sense. Conservatives are the group that openly states government doesn’t work. They then run for office, obstruct and prove that government doesn’t work. The only solution is to vote for the person who is not a Conservative. Conservatives are not going to educate themselves. Conservatives want an uneducated public. What message do you have to change the Conservative mind?
Edit to add:
Kumbaya is not going to have any impact on Conservations. Liberals and Independents are the only option to avoid authoritarian government.
I am not a conservative. I am a moderate liberal (I ditched progressive as a label a few years back). Many of the Bernie supporters backed Trump because they really wanted to burn it down. So it really isn’t just conservatives. But let’s talk conservatives….
My dad was a conservative until a few years ago. It started under Obama when he saw the deep vein of racism that still ran through America. He saw the Trump movement as a throw back to a time he had actually lived through, but without the civility and personal responsibility that had shaped him. He looked on as his fellow conservatives were unwilling to embrace easy, common sense solutions to fix problems because their base was spun up into a rage fueled tizzy. As a lifetime member of the NRA, he wondered if the second amendment makes sense in America today. After seeing the way his catholic mother and baptist father fought over religion, he cringed to see our public policy be ripped from someone’s sacred book. As a supporter of Reagan in the 80s, he had to admit trickle down economics wasn’t what it was marketed to be. He read about climate change and future mass extinctions and wondered what kind of legacy he was leaving his grandchildren. He still believed that the local level is the best place to govern, but saw that local governments can be corrupted. He was a scientist though, and scientists are well practiced at reconsidering their previous positions when evidence contradicts it. I don’t think he’s alone, though many are afraid to go against their own “team” and faced with the vitriol of “the other side” why should they?
The racism and anti-education positions I see from Conservatives are deal breakers. I don’t see pointing out actual Conservative policy positions as vitriol. I previously noted that this site has posts titled”Kamala is Wrong Again”. You could literally label many posts “ What the Negroes Did Wrong Today”. There was one post asking whether Obama or a grifter like Clarence Thomas was more moral. I’m sorry, but the nonsense I see from the Conservative side does not give me hope that there can be any reconciliation until they come to their senses. I know this may seem oft putting to your father, but I think the reason that Conservatives devolved into authoritarians was precisely because they were coddled.
They wanted to lock up Hillary. The Obama’s were portrayed as animals or pimps. Goldwater and Reagan were not subtle about supporting state’s right. What we see now is the result of not calling out the racism and bigotry early on.
Edit to add:
How would you craft your message?
"I got mine!" I would hear this coming from my white subordinate staff regularly. Lol!
For Sowell the free market should have free reign. Chattel slavery and monopolies are aberrations.
A criticism of Sowell:
https://dawsonvosburg.medium.com/whats-wrong-with-thomas-sowell-464baab5978e
Did Thomas Sowell marry a white woman? I couldn't find any reliable information about this. He has been quite secretive about his personal life.
I could not find any real information.
The best thing about this site is that Conservatives are revealing their beliefs to the public. Usually they keep the quiet part to themselves. This is a goldmine.
Edit to add:
Conservatives like to post things like “Kamala is Wrong again” or whine about “Woke Racism”, but the public notes the silence of Conservatives on the bigotry and racism within their own ranks. They can have a more civilized version of it in a Presidential candidate who told Don Lemon the Civil War was fought so Blacks could have access to guns and Juneteenth is a “useless” holiday, but we know who the red meat is geared to attract.
Conservatives align themselves who Proud Boys and then feign surprise when caught.