I agree with you that it’s a male thing at a higher level. Not that I like or support the victim mentality but why is it acceptable to say that women are the victims in this context. Sure, unwed women are having babies but aren’t many of these babies boys who than grow up without fathers? Are they not victims?
The education system is run by women and occupied mostly by women. Maybe that’s why women are doing better than men in school and higher ed? Where are the male role models supposed to come from? (Maybe the streets?)
Men, these days, are vilified as misogynistic, oppressive, irresponsible, dead beats, etc, Couple that with the message that society is racist where black people can’t succeed and you get a society where the only place boys CAN be successful and valorous is in gangs and outside of mainstream society. IMO
Young peoples' brains aren't fully formed until they're 25 so they make a lot of bad decisions early on. Yes, I agree, the kids are the biggest victims. Certainly men get beaten up an awful lot by women, rhetorically, not figuratively, and that's driven the rise of the Andrew Tate wannabes and the trans movement and its obsession with infiltrating women-only spaces. I'm not sure where the male role models are to come from but I'm up for suggestions, because I think we need more strength and power from both sexes. Powerful doesn't have to mean 'power over others' but *power over one's self* and one's choices. We need fewer male and female victims. We'll be personally powerful in different ways but working together we can begin solving our most pressing problems.
I'm up for suggestions if anyone wants to visit me at growsomelabia.com and drop some suggestions. I'm working on improving the website but the whole point is to help women, and everyone else, reclaim their power, or maybe reinvent it. The professional victims are at the far side of each extreme on the left and the right. I believe there are a LOT more of us - non-extremists on both sides of the divide - than there are on the extremes.
Just read today that Trump wants Republicans and his sycophant supporters to 'burn it down' if they don't get EVERYTHING they want with a government shutdown. The 'burn it down' mentality sounds EXACTLY like what we hear on the far left. The extremes remind me of the pigs in the final scene of Orwell's Animal Farm - they and the farmers resemble each other more and more.
We need to come together to defeat them both. Saying that got me deplatformed most recently on CounterSocial. And I realize I've strayed far from the original premise of this thread which is irresponsible black men (and just men) but it's the *responsible* ones on both sides of the divide who will bring an end to the madness and provide better role models. Regardless of colour.
Along with policy options for promoting family and school choice how about implementing a single sex school option especially for boys who lack positive male role models. They need to learn how to be a successful man and the steps to take to get there, surrounded by and lead by successful men.
I come from 2 perspectives, the first perspective is from growing up in a single parent HH. I could see how growing up without a father affected my brother. He did okay but he had some good role models through friends with 2 parent HHs.
The second perspective is from raising a son. He had 2 parents in the home but his father was not such a great role model but he was there and provided good advice (even though he didn’t follow his own advice.) My son also had good friends with 2 parent HHs and other adult men who were good role models.
My son and brother did not make great decisions (nor did I) a lot of times but we were able to get through without any life changing consequences. Without good role models in young men’s (and women’s) lives, there is a good chance they will find themselves in situations that cause serious problems that will affect the rest of their lives.
I see absolutely no real policy solutions aimed at addressing the problems facing young men and boys while they are in school and young enough to make a difference. They mainly focus on what to do after they have made bad decisions and get arrested. It’s like people expect these kids to turn 18 and magically be responsible fathers and members of society without any training whatsoever.
Good points, and an interesting take on the single-sex school, which we have already, albeit private ones. I would want to see a mixed bag of it, because boys and girls have to learn how to get along. Girls have to learn how to speak up and not let boys answer all the questions. Boys need to learn how to stand down. And both need to learn not to bully. And yes, both need good role models (although I have a jaundiced view for how good a role model any nun or priest is).
We are in an age, though, where humans overall are in a stage of almost perpetual arrested development. People could be responsible adults and fully expected to act like it at 18 or 20, get married, raise a family, and they did. A better, longer education puts off adulthood for many until the early to mid twenties. But there were also certain expectations we had for young people. My growing feeling is that too-permissive parenthood is beyond many of our problems (esp the 'trans kid' craze, which seems to be found mostly in liberal families because conservatives tell their kids the truth, "No, you can't be a girl, you're a boy, and you can't change that.") There's plenty to criticize in conservative parenting too - they famously aren't tolerant of their gay kids, either - but gay kids are real and more pervasive than 'trans kids', which, if you remove the gay men, the autogynephiles, and the politicals trying to get laid or destroy women's right to say no to anything, you're left with that very tiny number of probably genuinely 'trans people' who don't outgrow it.
I agree with you that it’s a male thing at a higher level. Not that I like or support the victim mentality but why is it acceptable to say that women are the victims in this context. Sure, unwed women are having babies but aren’t many of these babies boys who than grow up without fathers? Are they not victims?
The education system is run by women and occupied mostly by women. Maybe that’s why women are doing better than men in school and higher ed? Where are the male role models supposed to come from? (Maybe the streets?)
Men, these days, are vilified as misogynistic, oppressive, irresponsible, dead beats, etc, Couple that with the message that society is racist where black people can’t succeed and you get a society where the only place boys CAN be successful and valorous is in gangs and outside of mainstream society. IMO
Young peoples' brains aren't fully formed until they're 25 so they make a lot of bad decisions early on. Yes, I agree, the kids are the biggest victims. Certainly men get beaten up an awful lot by women, rhetorically, not figuratively, and that's driven the rise of the Andrew Tate wannabes and the trans movement and its obsession with infiltrating women-only spaces. I'm not sure where the male role models are to come from but I'm up for suggestions, because I think we need more strength and power from both sexes. Powerful doesn't have to mean 'power over others' but *power over one's self* and one's choices. We need fewer male and female victims. We'll be personally powerful in different ways but working together we can begin solving our most pressing problems.
I'm up for suggestions if anyone wants to visit me at growsomelabia.com and drop some suggestions. I'm working on improving the website but the whole point is to help women, and everyone else, reclaim their power, or maybe reinvent it. The professional victims are at the far side of each extreme on the left and the right. I believe there are a LOT more of us - non-extremists on both sides of the divide - than there are on the extremes.
Just read today that Trump wants Republicans and his sycophant supporters to 'burn it down' if they don't get EVERYTHING they want with a government shutdown. The 'burn it down' mentality sounds EXACTLY like what we hear on the far left. The extremes remind me of the pigs in the final scene of Orwell's Animal Farm - they and the farmers resemble each other more and more.
We need to come together to defeat them both. Saying that got me deplatformed most recently on CounterSocial. And I realize I've strayed far from the original premise of this thread which is irresponsible black men (and just men) but it's the *responsible* ones on both sides of the divide who will bring an end to the madness and provide better role models. Regardless of colour.
Here’s my suggestion from below...
Along with policy options for promoting family and school choice how about implementing a single sex school option especially for boys who lack positive male role models. They need to learn how to be a successful man and the steps to take to get there, surrounded by and lead by successful men.
I come from 2 perspectives, the first perspective is from growing up in a single parent HH. I could see how growing up without a father affected my brother. He did okay but he had some good role models through friends with 2 parent HHs.
The second perspective is from raising a son. He had 2 parents in the home but his father was not such a great role model but he was there and provided good advice (even though he didn’t follow his own advice.) My son also had good friends with 2 parent HHs and other adult men who were good role models.
My son and brother did not make great decisions (nor did I) a lot of times but we were able to get through without any life changing consequences. Without good role models in young men’s (and women’s) lives, there is a good chance they will find themselves in situations that cause serious problems that will affect the rest of their lives.
I see absolutely no real policy solutions aimed at addressing the problems facing young men and boys while they are in school and young enough to make a difference. They mainly focus on what to do after they have made bad decisions and get arrested. It’s like people expect these kids to turn 18 and magically be responsible fathers and members of society without any training whatsoever.
Good points, and an interesting take on the single-sex school, which we have already, albeit private ones. I would want to see a mixed bag of it, because boys and girls have to learn how to get along. Girls have to learn how to speak up and not let boys answer all the questions. Boys need to learn how to stand down. And both need to learn not to bully. And yes, both need good role models (although I have a jaundiced view for how good a role model any nun or priest is).
We are in an age, though, where humans overall are in a stage of almost perpetual arrested development. People could be responsible adults and fully expected to act like it at 18 or 20, get married, raise a family, and they did. A better, longer education puts off adulthood for many until the early to mid twenties. But there were also certain expectations we had for young people. My growing feeling is that too-permissive parenthood is beyond many of our problems (esp the 'trans kid' craze, which seems to be found mostly in liberal families because conservatives tell their kids the truth, "No, you can't be a girl, you're a boy, and you can't change that.") There's plenty to criticize in conservative parenting too - they famously aren't tolerant of their gay kids, either - but gay kids are real and more pervasive than 'trans kids', which, if you remove the gay men, the autogynephiles, and the politicals trying to get laid or destroy women's right to say no to anything, you're left with that very tiny number of probably genuinely 'trans people' who don't outgrow it.