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You may be 100% correct in what you write. Yes, governments are incompetent, hypocrites, lie and break promises including the USA. That said, Ukraine is not about the Donbass and who did what to whom and when any longer. It is about Putin and Putin's (or other want to be or current types like him) world view is my take. I personally don't want to live in a country that is run like Putin runs a country. I think, unfortunately, he needs to be stopped. Perhaps you don't agree with that assessment of the situation.

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Yeah, I guess we have to agree to disagree. If Tijuana was being shelled by Mexico City, and Russia was funding Mexico City, I think the United States would be justified in ending the conflict. I am only placing the shoe on the other foot. So I fully support premptive strikes, when a conflict is brewing upon one's borders.

Now if Putin were to take all of Ukraine, then I would disagree with his actions. I would vehemently oppose that type of subjugation. But if he does what he says he's going to do, which is secure the liberty of Donbass, and nothing more, then I believe he is doing the right thing. I wholeheartdely support Donbass's desire for self determination.

Donbass wants liberty, not unlike the men and women who sought to separate themselves from England many years ago.

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Thanks for the reply. Yes, it would be nice if everyone, everywhere could have self determination...at least to some reasonable point anyway. They may still get it one day although they may not be happy with a repressive government like Putin's. Then maybe they don't mind that type of government. I sure have no idea what the people in the Donbass are thinking. I figure they are in the thick of a proxy war at this point. The whole thing is a sad situation.

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