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Liam's avatar

I think it's pertinent to objectively evaluate the facts at hand.

1. The United States spent nearly five billion dollars in an effort to overthrow Viktor Yanukovych, in 2014, an elected president who just happened to be pro-russian. I presume we can all agree that this form of "power politics" doesn't lead to peace and harmony.

2. Donbass, which overwhelmingly voted for Yanukovych, decided to separate from what they perceive as inernational intereference in their elections, and the corruption in Kiev.

3. The MINSK agreement was then signed by both parties, with the goal of ending a bloody civil war.

4. Almost every independent journalist agrees that Kiev has shelled Donbass, intermittently, for nearly seven years. They refuse to aknowledge any wrong doing, and so the shellings continue, unabated. Someone has to stop it.

5. NATO claims that Russia is conducting a "false flag operation", yet whenever we are asked to provide evidence of such claims, our diplomats stage a "walk-out" which is eerily similar to the actions of the old Soviet Union.

Sending money to a corrupt regime, hell-bent on subjugating the people in Donbass, doesn't sound like a good use of money.

Can anyone imagine what would happen if postmodernists removed Trump from office by force, then pummeled Texas for seven years because they refused to bend a knee? Can anyone imagine 1.5B in arms being provided to Washington, so that they could subjugate the people of Texas.

You either believe in self determination, or you don't. Peace requires compromise. The MINSK agreement was a good start, and Kiev should have abided by that agreement.

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Jonathan L's avatar

You ask great questions about Ukraine, a place in which I've been interested since I learned, decades ago, that I had great-grandparents from that ethnic-political maelstrom.

My own rule of thumb is to consider Ukraine as Russia's Mexico. Russia too has a "manifest destiny" and a Wild West border (Ukraine itself means "at the frontier.")

Whereas Mexico has Spaniards and Aztecs, Ukraine has East Slavs, West Slavs, Germans, Jews, and Tatars. Big on diversity, not so big on inclusion and equity, if you catch my drift.

It would be a mistake to consider Ukraine an accident waiting to happen, because it's been happening for centuries.

If the US wants Russia to make nice and stay out of Ukraine, they should consider giving Texas back to Mexico and see what happens.

Hey, maybe the Democrats and Joe Biden are already working on that.

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