@MJS my emotions are the same but we must first focus on our freedom of speech. We MUST know who think like this! Glenn’s response to Mr McWhorter was perfect. People need to hear how repulsive they are. Going forward, I will avoid shows with Mr McWhorter. I have no respect for him. And I’m glad I know what he is. He is captured and part of a mass delusional Cult called TDS and horrifyingly there are many more.
John has his own podcast. Let him spew his shit in that podcast. As a paying subscriber to this podcast I am voicing my displeasure with John and stand behind calls to remove him (fire him if you want to put it that way) I’m not calling for his own substack to be removed. Just that he should no longer be part of the one subscribe to. Freedom of speech I am all for… but as he knows…speech has consequences.
Don't agree with John being cancelled from TGS, not that it's any of our decisions anyway. I'd much rather hear Glenn and John have a serious conversation about the state of political polarization in this country and how it's made even seemingly reasonable people like John say some truly questionable things. I don't think John is a bad person by any means, but unfortunately Trump seems to trigger certain individuals and bring out the worst in them. That being said, I don't believe anyone should be judged only by their worst moments.
Personally, I'm a little disappointed because the red line when it comes to free speech has always been speech that incites violence towards others. Obviously I'm not suggesting any sort of casual link between what John said on this show and the incident that occurred today, but when you have a platform with a certain reach like TGS, to have a host openly espouse sympathy for political assassination seems to me to be at best playing with fire and at worst something far worse.
In the past I've spent time at various far right sites like Stormfront where I routinely encountered truly crude and incendiary rhetoric. By contrast, TGS has always struck me as an oasis of dispassionate reason and intellectual humility. I'm a bit disappointed that John said what he did on this show, but at this point it is what it is. Hopefully we can all take a moment to quell the flames of polarization and use this as a learning experience moving forward, rather than as a reason to further cancel and condemn and harden us into opposing tribes.
Has nothing to do with this episode. But John needs to be removed from this podcast. He is the threat to democracy. He openly wished for someone to kill Trump. A month later someone tries to shoot Trump. His beliefs on bending the laws and wishing for a political adversary to be killed is beyond the pale
I hope you are not too disappointed today John that the assassin you hoped for failed. I am holding back what I want to say to you and so many others who have expressed violence and death. I am repulsed by you and them.
Glenn, any thoughts on today's incident involving Trump? I'm thinking back to your recent conversation with John regarding his wish for Trump to be assassinated. I'm not clear on all of the details as far as what happened at the rally, but I'm genuinely saddened by the way things are devolving in this country.
John, I've been a fan of yours for a number of years. But I was very, very surprised when you publicly admitted to wishing that someone would kill Trump and that even when called out on it you didn't fully backtrack in your conversation with Glenn. A public intellectual of your stature should almost certainly be much more careful with their words. What you said was quite frankly extremely irresponsible in my opinion.
Hoping that you guys will have a serious discussion about this in the near future.
Dear Prof Loury: I watched the interviews on your YT channel for a long time. Last night I was watching the "Glennclip" w/you and Charles Murray. I was so intrigued that I went to Substack and became a $ubscriber (which I should have done earlie…) so I could listen to the rest of the conversation. I assume it was longer than the 14 min. clip, but I can't find it anywhere!
Coincidentally, this morning before I got up I was reading Shelby Steele's White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era and this morning the chapter was on how the '60s black power movement set the stage for infantilization and self-infantilization of black people: That they came to align with one of the first tenets of white supremacy: Skin colour is destiny, the first wave of civil rights had finally overcome. Dick Gregory and George Wallace: For once, in agreement with one another. He further notes President Johnson's Great Society launch speech at Howard University in which he 'meticulously spelled out white America's repsonsibility for black uplift," without "a single reference to black responsibility," and notes that no President since then has called blacks to account for their own responsibility.
A point which he'd made in his previous book. 'The Content of Our Character,' in which he argued over and over that whites can't do everything for blacks, that they need to take responsibility to develop themselves and fix the values problems and false beliefs within themselves holding themselves back. Here, about 15 years later, he traces how the bi-racial effort to infantilize blacks came to be.
So far, Shelby Steele's older books are as relevant today as they were when they were written. I highly recommend them, and thank John McWhorter for turning me onto him.
Ihsan Al-Din: "YOU ARE AN IGNORANT, STUPID, UNEDUCATED, LOW IQ RACIST. And, for those very reasons we take pity you. The US generously grant you social-largesse, because you are a tragic inadequate danger to yourself and others".
Glenn.. thanks for hitting this head on with solutions instead of catering to the whiney class... but you can't please everyone.. nor should you try to!
Thanks Glen for perfectly articulating this issue so that I can confidently discuss these issues with all the local lunatics in my social circles that take the left uncritically.
‘Fix yourself first’ has always been a productive approach. Railing against outside factors in lieu of doing the personal work is procrastination or displacement behavior at best.
YOU ARE AN IGNORANT, STUPID, UNEDUCATED, LOW IQ RACIST. And, for those very reasons we take pity you and grant you social-largess, because you are a danger to yourself and others.
@MJS my emotions are the same but we must first focus on our freedom of speech. We MUST know who think like this! Glenn’s response to Mr McWhorter was perfect. People need to hear how repulsive they are. Going forward, I will avoid shows with Mr McWhorter. I have no respect for him. And I’m glad I know what he is. He is captured and part of a mass delusional Cult called TDS and horrifyingly there are many more.
John has his own podcast. Let him spew his shit in that podcast. As a paying subscriber to this podcast I am voicing my displeasure with John and stand behind calls to remove him (fire him if you want to put it that way) I’m not calling for his own substack to be removed. Just that he should no longer be part of the one subscribe to. Freedom of speech I am all for… but as he knows…speech has consequences.
Don't agree with John being cancelled from TGS, not that it's any of our decisions anyway. I'd much rather hear Glenn and John have a serious conversation about the state of political polarization in this country and how it's made even seemingly reasonable people like John say some truly questionable things. I don't think John is a bad person by any means, but unfortunately Trump seems to trigger certain individuals and bring out the worst in them. That being said, I don't believe anyone should be judged only by their worst moments.
Personally, I'm a little disappointed because the red line when it comes to free speech has always been speech that incites violence towards others. Obviously I'm not suggesting any sort of casual link between what John said on this show and the incident that occurred today, but when you have a platform with a certain reach like TGS, to have a host openly espouse sympathy for political assassination seems to me to be at best playing with fire and at worst something far worse.
In the past I've spent time at various far right sites like Stormfront where I routinely encountered truly crude and incendiary rhetoric. By contrast, TGS has always struck me as an oasis of dispassionate reason and intellectual humility. I'm a bit disappointed that John said what he did on this show, but at this point it is what it is. Hopefully we can all take a moment to quell the flames of polarization and use this as a learning experience moving forward, rather than as a reason to further cancel and condemn and harden us into opposing tribes.
Has nothing to do with this episode. But John needs to be removed from this podcast. He is the threat to democracy. He openly wished for someone to kill Trump. A month later someone tries to shoot Trump. His beliefs on bending the laws and wishing for a political adversary to be killed is beyond the pale
I hope you are not too disappointed today John that the assassin you hoped for failed. I am holding back what I want to say to you and so many others who have expressed violence and death. I am repulsed by you and them.
Glenn, any thoughts on today's incident involving Trump? I'm thinking back to your recent conversation with John regarding his wish for Trump to be assassinated. I'm not clear on all of the details as far as what happened at the rally, but I'm genuinely saddened by the way things are devolving in this country.
John, I've been a fan of yours for a number of years. But I was very, very surprised when you publicly admitted to wishing that someone would kill Trump and that even when called out on it you didn't fully backtrack in your conversation with Glenn. A public intellectual of your stature should almost certainly be much more careful with their words. What you said was quite frankly extremely irresponsible in my opinion.
Hoping that you guys will have a serious discussion about this in the near future.
Dear Prof Loury: I watched the interviews on your YT channel for a long time. Last night I was watching the "Glennclip" w/you and Charles Murray. I was so intrigued that I went to Substack and became a $ubscriber (which I should have done earlie…) so I could listen to the rest of the conversation. I assume it was longer than the 14 min. clip, but I can't find it anywhere!
Here you go: https://glennloury.substack.com/p/facing-reality
Coincidentally, this morning before I got up I was reading Shelby Steele's White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era and this morning the chapter was on how the '60s black power movement set the stage for infantilization and self-infantilization of black people: That they came to align with one of the first tenets of white supremacy: Skin colour is destiny, the first wave of civil rights had finally overcome. Dick Gregory and George Wallace: For once, in agreement with one another. He further notes President Johnson's Great Society launch speech at Howard University in which he 'meticulously spelled out white America's repsonsibility for black uplift," without "a single reference to black responsibility," and notes that no President since then has called blacks to account for their own responsibility.
A point which he'd made in his previous book. 'The Content of Our Character,' in which he argued over and over that whites can't do everything for blacks, that they need to take responsibility to develop themselves and fix the values problems and false beliefs within themselves holding themselves back. Here, about 15 years later, he traces how the bi-racial effort to infantilize blacks came to be.
So far, Shelby Steele's older books are as relevant today as they were when they were written. I highly recommend them, and thank John McWhorter for turning me onto him.
Ihsan Al-Din: "YOU ARE AN IGNORANT, STUPID, UNEDUCATED, LOW IQ RACIST. And, for those very reasons we take pity you. The US generously grant you social-largesse, because you are a tragic inadequate danger to yourself and others".
Blacks have been under the thumb of the democratic party since the time of slavery.
Those who take charge of their fate gain nothing by blaming others.
Most people don't want to admit that more blacks are injured and killed by systematic stupidity than systematic racism.
It negates their excuses.
Glenn.. thanks for hitting this head on with solutions instead of catering to the whiney class... but you can't please everyone.. nor should you try to!
Thanks Glen for perfectly articulating this issue so that I can confidently discuss these issues with all the local lunatics in my social circles that take the left uncritically.
‘Fix yourself first’ has always been a productive approach. Railing against outside factors in lieu of doing the personal work is procrastination or displacement behavior at best.
One can always recognize the Lunatic Left by its refined language and civility.
If you’re gonna call someone out publicly, it wouldn’t hurt to spell their name correctly for starters.
YOU ARE AN IGNORANT, STUPID, UNEDUCATED, LOW IQ RACIST. And, for those very reasons we take pity you and grant you social-largess, because you are a danger to yourself and others.
How do you really feel?
Free the Jan 6 political prisoners. Jail the BLM traitors. Jail the treasonous elite. Power to the republic.
Jan 6th was a "Fed"- surrection my unhinged friend.