You seem to be knowledgeable about this history and also perhaps the politics. I can understand your cynicism and mistrust of De Santos and the Department of Education in Florida. I haven't really followed it much honestly, I just looked into it because it seemed that the media such as NYT and NPR and MSNBC were inaccurately reporting on this one phrase, blowing it all out of proportion, and NOT reporting on the rest of the document which from all accounts I have seen is surprisingly excellent. THAT'S the piece I am interested in, how the media across the spectrum contribute to confusion and polarization and don't help us actually solve our problems. It's just more us vs. them, endlessly, ad nauseum. I would have preferred they just said, "You can't trust Florida, no matter how good it looks!" Instead, they picked up on one phrase that could possibly be construed by some to imply that slavery had a silver lining or was "good." (I do not think it implies that, but assuming good faith, some people do think so.) Of course, there is painful history and a sensitivity there as I am sure you know, probably more than I do. During and since slavery pundits have tried to argue that slavery was good for the enslaved. That was one of its foundational moral justifications! Anything that even implies that idea is not only truly messed up, but is likely to cause an over-response by some, especially African Americans and others who see things through an "antiracism" lens.
What I hear you saying is that you do not believe it matters what the standards say, you do not trust their proper implementation because of the track record you have witnessed (including the video you shared). We will simply have to see how it plays out to know. I stand by my comments that it is still a good and important thing that the standards were, overall, well written and that it does matter. People in the Florida Department of Education did that, so I think that is meaningful. If the standards are not met, the schools can be challenged, there is a potential pathway to hold them accountable. I hope people do so.
As a life-long liberal, I have cynicism and mistrust of many institutions these days, including ones in liberal states like mine. I am not on any side anymore. It's a mess when none of us trust our institutions, and when it is difficult even to agree on basic tenets of reality.
We agree to disagree. I think Florida will scam the parents and students.
I am a Democrat by default. Republicans make clear that they are no friends to the Black community. Democratic legislators have many faults but they all pale in comparison to a party led by a bigoted conman who tried to stage a coup. I also see a party that is actively suppressing votes in Black communities across the country. I now see them participating in an effort to miseducate our children. Republicans are not worthy of my trust.
The Prager U video slanders Frederick Douglas. Douglass felt that the words of the Constitution made the overall document an anti slavery document. Amendments were needed to achieve that goal. What I find laughable is someone using that sentiment while supporting the disgusting Prager University video. My hope is when the Florida department of education implements its programs the higher ups in the department will show their true colors and a legal case can be made.
There are multiple books about the relationship between Douglass and Lincoln, among them
Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass: The Story Behind an American Friendship
The Radical and the Republican: Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, and the Triumph of Antislavery Politics
The Hammer and the Anvil: Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, and the End of Slavery in America
The Prager U video is a slap in the face. BTW William Lloyd Garrision supported Lincoln in fact Garrison published a defense of Lincoln in the Liberator. The Prager U video slander’ the full essence of Garrison
You seem to be knowledgeable about this history and also perhaps the politics. I can understand your cynicism and mistrust of De Santos and the Department of Education in Florida. I haven't really followed it much honestly, I just looked into it because it seemed that the media such as NYT and NPR and MSNBC were inaccurately reporting on this one phrase, blowing it all out of proportion, and NOT reporting on the rest of the document which from all accounts I have seen is surprisingly excellent. THAT'S the piece I am interested in, how the media across the spectrum contribute to confusion and polarization and don't help us actually solve our problems. It's just more us vs. them, endlessly, ad nauseum. I would have preferred they just said, "You can't trust Florida, no matter how good it looks!" Instead, they picked up on one phrase that could possibly be construed by some to imply that slavery had a silver lining or was "good." (I do not think it implies that, but assuming good faith, some people do think so.) Of course, there is painful history and a sensitivity there as I am sure you know, probably more than I do. During and since slavery pundits have tried to argue that slavery was good for the enslaved. That was one of its foundational moral justifications! Anything that even implies that idea is not only truly messed up, but is likely to cause an over-response by some, especially African Americans and others who see things through an "antiracism" lens.
What I hear you saying is that you do not believe it matters what the standards say, you do not trust their proper implementation because of the track record you have witnessed (including the video you shared). We will simply have to see how it plays out to know. I stand by my comments that it is still a good and important thing that the standards were, overall, well written and that it does matter. People in the Florida Department of Education did that, so I think that is meaningful. If the standards are not met, the schools can be challenged, there is a potential pathway to hold them accountable. I hope people do so.
As a life-long liberal, I have cynicism and mistrust of many institutions these days, including ones in liberal states like mine. I am not on any side anymore. It's a mess when none of us trust our institutions, and when it is difficult even to agree on basic tenets of reality.
We agree to disagree. I think Florida will scam the parents and students.
I am a Democrat by default. Republicans make clear that they are no friends to the Black community. Democratic legislators have many faults but they all pale in comparison to a party led by a bigoted conman who tried to stage a coup. I also see a party that is actively suppressing votes in Black communities across the country. I now see them participating in an effort to miseducate our children. Republicans are not worthy of my trust.
The Prager U video slanders Frederick Douglas. Douglass felt that the words of the Constitution made the overall document an anti slavery document. Amendments were needed to achieve that goal. What I find laughable is someone using that sentiment while supporting the disgusting Prager University video. My hope is when the Florida department of education implements its programs the higher ups in the department will show their true colors and a legal case can be made.
There are multiple books about the relationship between Douglass and Lincoln, among them
Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass: The Story Behind an American Friendship
The Radical and the Republican: Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, and the Triumph of Antislavery Politics
The Hammer and the Anvil: Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, and the End of Slavery in America
The Prager U video is a slap in the face. BTW William Lloyd Garrision supported Lincoln in fact Garrison published a defense of Lincoln in the Liberator. The Prager U video slander’ the full essence of Garrison
https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/defense-of-lincoln/