One of the few advantages of being older than dirt is that I know history did not begin in the last five years. I watched racist President LBJ approach the self-anointed civil rights leaders and promise them both riches and a seat at the table if they would just tell their followers that the true measure of how much a political party is on their side is the amount of money devoted to social programs. And nobody paid attention to the Moynihan Report.
No Southern Republican voted for the Civil Rights bill
Current Republican legislators and judges peel away the Civil Rights Act
They also work to suppress Black votes
Now you come shouting “But, but, but …….. Moynihan
Conservatives are not serious people when it comes to solving racial issues.
It is an appropriate time to mention that a Conservative here said poverty improved under Trump. That is a lie. Poverty increased dramatically under Trump.
It is painful to talk to Conservatives because they are masters of distraction. The major benefit of the discussions is that it reinforces why you believe what you believe. Conservatives have no viable message.
You appear to be under the mistaken impression that I am a conservative. My first vote for President was for George McGovern; my politics have not changed. I marched in Civil Rights protests and joined sit-ins.
Moynihan was without doubt the greatest liberal thinker of the 20th Century.
You've made a number of assertions which, I suppose, I should believe because you've stated them.
I’m not asking you to believe anything. You started off with racist President LBJ. LBJ got the Civil Rights bills passed. If you start off with racist LBJ and follow it with “self-annointed leaders” (MLK?), what other impression I am supposed to have?
I don't care what impression you have. LBJ was openly racist; the Civil Rights legislation was passed with Republican votes. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, James Farmer, Ella Baler. John Lewis were all self-anointed leaders.
I meant no offense. I explained why I thought you were Conservative. Who do you consider valid Black leaders of the time, if John Lewis, etc were unacceptable? Al Sharpton was born in 1954. Sharpton would have been 11 years old.
Regarding Moynihan, as you well know, there has been criticism of his solution to the economic situation in the Black community at the time. Moynihan viewed the problem as due to the matriarchal base of the Black community. The problem was the absence of fathers. His solution was to create a patriarchy with males in the dominant role. His solution seems to have been enlisting Black men in the military during the Vietnam war. Obviously, these men would still have been absent from the home.
Daniel Geary’s “Beyond Civil Rights” provides the competing interpretations of the Moynihan Report. Geary notes that targeting family structure alone may have been shortsighted.
At the time the book was published, Ralph Ellison noted Moynihan had no first hand knowledge of the Black family and criticized the book. On the other hand, both Barack Obama and Paul Ryan praised the book. You read can what you want to read in the report.
Moynihan was first of all prophetic. I don't have the time to look up all the references and studies involved; I do know that between 2000 and 2010, when sociology departments began allowing academic research to recommence, innumerable studies looking at all life outcomes (academic success, employment, incarceration, health, etc) which corrected for number of parents in the infants' homes, single parent households produced far worse outcomes for children regardless of race than multi-parent households. In fact, correcting for number of parents in the home erased most of the black-white achievement gaps.
One of the few advantages of being older than dirt is that I know history did not begin in the last five years. I watched racist President LBJ approach the self-anointed civil rights leaders and promise them both riches and a seat at the table if they would just tell their followers that the true measure of how much a political party is on their side is the amount of money devoted to social programs. And nobody paid attention to the Moynihan Report.
Typical Conservative response, “Look over here”
Racist LBJ got Civil Rights bills passed
Democrats lost white Southern voters
The Congressional vote was a South vs North vote
Democrats were a Southern party
Few Southern Democrats voted for the bills
No Southern Republican voted for the Civil Rights bill
Current Republican legislators and judges peel away the Civil Rights Act
They also work to suppress Black votes
Now you come shouting “But, but, but …….. Moynihan
Conservatives are not serious people when it comes to solving racial issues.
It is an appropriate time to mention that a Conservative here said poverty improved under Trump. That is a lie. Poverty increased dramatically under Trump.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/535239-how-trump-fueled-economic-inequality-in-america/
It is painful to talk to Conservatives because they are masters of distraction. The major benefit of the discussions is that it reinforces why you believe what you believe. Conservatives have no viable message.
You appear to be under the mistaken impression that I am a conservative. My first vote for President was for George McGovern; my politics have not changed. I marched in Civil Rights protests and joined sit-ins.
Moynihan was without doubt the greatest liberal thinker of the 20th Century.
You've made a number of assertions which, I suppose, I should believe because you've stated them.
I’m not asking you to believe anything. You started off with racist President LBJ. LBJ got the Civil Rights bills passed. If you start off with racist LBJ and follow it with “self-annointed leaders” (MLK?), what other impression I am supposed to have?
I don't care what impression you have. LBJ was openly racist; the Civil Rights legislation was passed with Republican votes. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, James Farmer, Ella Baler. John Lewis were all self-anointed leaders.
I meant no offense. I explained why I thought you were Conservative. Who do you consider valid Black leaders of the time, if John Lewis, etc were unacceptable? Al Sharpton was born in 1954. Sharpton would have been 11 years old.
Regarding Moynihan, as you well know, there has been criticism of his solution to the economic situation in the Black community at the time. Moynihan viewed the problem as due to the matriarchal base of the Black community. The problem was the absence of fathers. His solution was to create a patriarchy with males in the dominant role. His solution seems to have been enlisting Black men in the military during the Vietnam war. Obviously, these men would still have been absent from the home.
Daniel Geary’s “Beyond Civil Rights” provides the competing interpretations of the Moynihan Report. Geary notes that targeting family structure alone may have been shortsighted.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt15jjdcf
At the time the book was published, Ralph Ellison noted Moynihan had no first hand knowledge of the Black family and criticized the book. On the other hand, both Barack Obama and Paul Ryan praised the book. You read can what you want to read in the report.
https://www.pennpress.org/9780812223910/beyond-civil-rights/
Moynihan was first of all prophetic. I don't have the time to look up all the references and studies involved; I do know that between 2000 and 2010, when sociology departments began allowing academic research to recommence, innumerable studies looking at all life outcomes (academic success, employment, incarceration, health, etc) which corrected for number of parents in the infants' homes, single parent households produced far worse outcomes for children regardless of race than multi-parent households. In fact, correcting for number of parents in the home erased most of the black-white achievement gaps.