Carol Swain – The Adversity of Diversity
This week my guest is the political scientist and writer Carol Swain. She is a proud black, Christian, conservative woman, and she’s just published a new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action World. Carol is not only a conservative, she is a Trump supporter who thinks that black Americans were doing quite well under the previous president.
African American Trump supporters may be rare, but they're out there. And Carol thinks that the former president’s legal troubles will only make him more popular with black voters. She's certainly got no love for the Democrats, who she believes stole the 2020 election, a claim that I push back on. Carol doesn't deny the existence of white supremacy in the US, but she thinks its causes are more complex than unthinking “hatred”—she believes the left bears some responsibility. We talk about her new book, which explores what we should do after race-based affirmative action’s end. She'd like to see DEI go next, but I think we’re talking about two separate issues.
I know you'll all have a lot to say about this one! I eagerly await your comments.
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0:00 Why Carol joined Black Voices for Trump
9:59 Why should black people support Trump?
16:31 Carol: Democrats stole the 2020 election
26:07 Does Trump face a credible assassination threat?
30:35 The redefinition of white supremacy
35:51 Deracializing the crime debate
39:58 Carol’s new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action World
50:55 Glenn: Affirmative action is one thing, DEI is another
1:04:54 Clarence Thomas v. Ketanji Brown Jackson
1:08:06 What affirmative action did right
Recorded August 26, 2023
Links and Readings
Carol and Mike Towle’s new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action World
Carol’s Godfather III Twitter (now X) post
Reuters story on Harrison Floyd
Jason Riley’s book, The Black Boom
Tucker Carlson’s debate night interview with Donald Trump
Carol’s book, The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration
Carol and Christopher J. Schorr’s book, Black Eye for America: How Critical Race Theory Is Burning Down the House
Carol Swain – The Adversity of Diversity
So much fascinating insight here. I agree with Glenn that a corporation *attempting* to improve race relations via diversity training CANNOT be unconstitutional on its face. I also agree with Carol that these programs are, generally, well, crap. All that said, DEI programs are really just a symptom. The ascension of the "I'm a victim" mindset is also but a symptom. Beyond those observations, these types of discussions represent exactly the type of discussions for which I began to follow The Glenn Show. Kudos!
Hi Glenn,
I started listening to your interview with Carol Swain this morning and got halfway through. Looking forward to finishing the interview and learning about her new book.
I appreciate you asking Ms. Swain some of the common questions circulating regarding her support for Donald Trump. I make the following points that I think are relevant to your questions:
• The only election contest brought by Donald Trump was in Georgia. Georgia law required a hearing to be set within at least 10 days. The lower court simply did not set a hearing, and the Georgia appellant and Supreme Court failed to enforce the law. That reinforces Ms. Swain’s statement that there is not fair judicial relief available.
• Regarding what were the Georgia election irregularities, I believe Ms. Swain correctly responded there were many. Some of the more common ones are detailed in the Georgia case filing. I will try to attach that filing to my post for the benefit of your community. (I couldn’t post the PDF but here is a link to the post with the PDF: vivabarneslaw.locals.com/post/4439850/b….
• Finally, in response to your comment about Donald Trump conceding after not receiving remedy through the court system, in addition to the difficulty of courts appropriately responding to the relief sought by others (and Donald Trump in Georgia) that Ms. Swain referenced, it is important to note that the Constitution saw election challenges mostly having a political resolution; that is, that is why the Constitution allows for election irregularities to be brought to Congress. This is precisely what Donald Trump did as well as many other incumbents and challengers over the history of our founding.
Ms. Swain referenced all these points, in general, but your listeners would benefit I believe from a much more detailed discussion. I recommend you interview Robert Barnes, a constitutional and civil rights lawyer who has done many election challenges and was heavily involved in the Georgia court filing. He can be found on Locals at vivabvarnes.local.com. He had you on his show and you were great there!