Glenn Loury
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Carol Swain – The Adversity of Diversity
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Carol Swain – The Adversity of Diversity

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This week my guest is the political scientist and writer Carol Swain. She is a proud black, Christian, conservative woman, and she’s just published a new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action World. Carol is not only a conservative, she is a Trump supporter who thinks that black Americans were doing quite well under the previous president.

African American Trump supporters may be rare, but they're out there. And Carol thinks that the former president’s legal troubles will only make him more popular with black voters. She's certainly got no love for the Democrats, who she believes stole the 2020 election, a claim that I push back on. Carol doesn't deny the existence of white supremacy in the US, but she thinks its causes are more complex than unthinking “hatred”—she believes the left bears some responsibility. We talk about her new book, which explores what we should do after race-based affirmative action’s end. She'd like to see DEI go next, but I think we’re talking about two separate issues.

I know you'll all have a lot to say about this one! I eagerly await your comments.

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0:00 Why Carol joined Black Voices for Trump

9:59 Why should black people support Trump?

16:31 Carol: Democrats stole the 2020 election

26:07 Does Trump face a credible assassination threat?

30:35 The redefinition of white supremacy

35:51 Deracializing the crime debate

39:58 Carol’s new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action World

50:55 Glenn: Affirmative action is one thing, DEI is another

1:04:54 Clarence Thomas v. Ketanji Brown Jackson

1:08:06 What affirmative action did right

Recorded August 26, 2023


Links and Readings

Carol and Mike Towle’s new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action World

Carol’s Godfather III Twitter (now X) post

Reuters story on Harrison Floyd

Jason Riley’s book, The Black Boom

Tucker Carlson’s debate night interview with Donald Trump

Carol’s book, The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration

Carol and Christopher J. Schorr’s book, Black Eye for America: How Critical Race Theory Is Burning Down the House


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Glenn Loury
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Race, inequality, and economics in the US and throughout the world from Glenn Loury, Professor of Economics at Brown University and Paulson Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute