My guest this week is Pastor Corey Brooks of the New Beginnings Church on the South Side of Chicago. I’ve wanted to have Corey on the show for some time—the work he’s doing to minister to the neighborhood where I was born has inspired me for years. We often criticize progressive policies like DEI on this show, but Corey’s work is even more important than that. He’s building institutions and programs that can
Outstanding interview. Pastor Brooks’ comments on DEI brought to mind the following article by Bertrand Cooper and his appearance on John Wood, Jr.’s podcast:
Really great discussion. I would like to know more about Pastor Brooks's ideas on raising the value of education for communities like these. Highly valuing a good education and hard work is something Jews and Asians seem to do better than either white people or black people, although as has been discussed here and elsewhere, whites are better at it than blacks. No one's smarter than they other, but some are more educated than others and that's mostly up to one's self. (Does anyone believe a Harvard education is a sign of education anymore????)
Education is something Americans don't, as a nation, value as highly as other parts of the world and there's a joint effort among the far left and far right to increase the ignorance and dis 'nerds'. I loved the idea of teaching these youth entrepreneurship; that may be their best ticket to success and once again, it's something Asians & Jews do very, very well. And Jews have a waaaaaaaaay longer and more colourful marginalization narrative than anyone else, so never compete in *that* game with them...
This was a moving episode. I would have thought that financial literacy and the teaching of trades would have broad ideological support, this doesn't seem intrinsically liberal or conservative, just common sense. The migrant issue is creating serious cleavages though, not just in Chicago, also in New York. I was a bit surprised to hear about Johnson's approval rating since homicide is down quite a bit in Chicago, this must be driven by other policies.
I frankly didn't listen to the whole talk because I was turned off by what I thought was too lengthy (and perhaps not detailed or analytical enough) dissing of DEI, etc., at the expense of emphasizing/elaborating on the alternative approach being advocated. This is more and more my problem with Glenn's podcasts/youtubes. I greatly admire him, but I feel like he plays too much to his own audience rather than considering how to effectively communicate with people who lean left but haven't really understood what is wrong with the DEI approach. The negativity is a turn-off except to the "choir."
It is a given that a conservative in a liberal city like Chicago doesn’t make headway with the business community. However, Pastor Brook states that being a preacher is also a hinderance in the liberal city. It is disheartening that the fact that one is a person of God is now a negative. What the liberal neoracists (thanking Coleman Hughes for solidifying the progressive liberals with this moniker) refuse to acknowledge is that almost all of the civil rights gained from the time of the abolitionists to the civil rights enacted in 1964 were led by religious people...“People that the left would call extremist religious zealots today..” To paraphrase Sowell.
It’s a good episode, and an interesting guest. I feel frustrated because there is so little room within conservatism for someone like myself that even though I can see the flaws within the libs, and ultimately think capitalism and family support is the best we can do, I’m not joining a church or voting Trump. So the only way I could apply the word to myself is in some subversive, artful way that doesn’t hinge on what already exists in the Republican party and is in fact opposed to it in large part. Black conservatives will have an easier time than most in seeing this logic, but it’s hardly going mainstream anytime soon, and if a trans woman and black guys are the ones who have the easiest time seeing this, isn’t that DEI of a kind? I thought we were against that.
“It doesn’t offer faith, it doesn’t offer meaningful work, it doesn’t live with us?” I could not have described religion better, now let’s write Woke Racism.
Great conversation. Brooks reinforces the same way many of us feel about changes within the black community. Dedicated leaders need to find other means. They need to go through back channels to accomplish things instead of dealing with the main stream people who have personal or economic interests. There will always be certain black leaders who profit from all the bad things that take place within the inner-city. Pastor Brooks knows that, and this is his way of dealing with it.
I'm waiting for the day when that new center is finally built and opened. Then I would love to see a Glenn and John episode there.
I have been following and donating to Pastor Brooks for a few years now. I first heard about him in Eli and Shelby Steele's documentary "What Killed Michael Brown". The Pastor is the real deal!
At one point he emailed me (and others that had donated) with his cell phone number and an offer to talk about anything I wanted, spiritual or otherwise.
I really admired this conversation EXCEPT for the too considerable time and energy spent criticizing the "black liberal elites." I think it would have been much more effective without more than a passing reference to that negativity. I believe this demonizing of "the other side" is for the most part self-defeating and counterproductive.
In his piece, he explains, based on several scientific studies, how the supply of “eligible” men affects the behavior of women and visa-versa.
“But how do such imbalances manifest themselves with regard to mating strategies? When there is a surplus of men, men are more likely to adapt to women’s preferences. When there is a larger male-to-female ratio, men are more likely to compete with each other to be what women want. Men are more willing to do what women want in order to be with them. On the other hand, when there is a surplus of women relative to men, women are more likely to adapt to men’s preferences. They compete with one another to be what men want. “
Although his piece mainly speaks to college educated women, this phenomenon seems to manifest across cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. It’s basic human behavior, not unique to any particular culture.
“Understanding that cultural sexualization is reliably associated with economic inequality provides insight into its origins, shedding light on the ecological conditions that perpetuate this controversial cultural trend.”
It seems to me to conclude that if we, as a society want to encourage marriage and family formation, we need to make sure our young men have everything they need to develop into successful adult men. And your guest is doing the work to making this happen! There is hope!
Outstanding interview. Pastor Brooks’ comments on DEI brought to mind the following article by Bertrand Cooper and his appearance on John Wood, Jr.’s podcast:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/07/who-actually-gets-to-create-black-pop-culture
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/class-and-black-america-a-conversation/id1652310814?i=1000635457373
Really great discussion. I would like to know more about Pastor Brooks's ideas on raising the value of education for communities like these. Highly valuing a good education and hard work is something Jews and Asians seem to do better than either white people or black people, although as has been discussed here and elsewhere, whites are better at it than blacks. No one's smarter than they other, but some are more educated than others and that's mostly up to one's self. (Does anyone believe a Harvard education is a sign of education anymore????)
Education is something Americans don't, as a nation, value as highly as other parts of the world and there's a joint effort among the far left and far right to increase the ignorance and dis 'nerds'. I loved the idea of teaching these youth entrepreneurship; that may be their best ticket to success and once again, it's something Asians & Jews do very, very well. And Jews have a waaaaaaaaay longer and more colourful marginalization narrative than anyone else, so never compete in *that* game with them...
Take notes. Take lots of notes!
I just made a donation...you should too!
This was a moving episode. I would have thought that financial literacy and the teaching of trades would have broad ideological support, this doesn't seem intrinsically liberal or conservative, just common sense. The migrant issue is creating serious cleavages though, not just in Chicago, also in New York. I was a bit surprised to hear about Johnson's approval rating since homicide is down quite a bit in Chicago, this must be driven by other policies.
I will—thanks for the nudge
I frankly didn't listen to the whole talk because I was turned off by what I thought was too lengthy (and perhaps not detailed or analytical enough) dissing of DEI, etc., at the expense of emphasizing/elaborating on the alternative approach being advocated. This is more and more my problem with Glenn's podcasts/youtubes. I greatly admire him, but I feel like he plays too much to his own audience rather than considering how to effectively communicate with people who lean left but haven't really understood what is wrong with the DEI approach. The negativity is a turn-off except to the "choir."
It is a given that a conservative in a liberal city like Chicago doesn’t make headway with the business community. However, Pastor Brook states that being a preacher is also a hinderance in the liberal city. It is disheartening that the fact that one is a person of God is now a negative. What the liberal neoracists (thanking Coleman Hughes for solidifying the progressive liberals with this moniker) refuse to acknowledge is that almost all of the civil rights gained from the time of the abolitionists to the civil rights enacted in 1964 were led by religious people...“People that the left would call extremist religious zealots today..” To paraphrase Sowell.
It’s a good episode, and an interesting guest. I feel frustrated because there is so little room within conservatism for someone like myself that even though I can see the flaws within the libs, and ultimately think capitalism and family support is the best we can do, I’m not joining a church or voting Trump. So the only way I could apply the word to myself is in some subversive, artful way that doesn’t hinge on what already exists in the Republican party and is in fact opposed to it in large part. Black conservatives will have an easier time than most in seeing this logic, but it’s hardly going mainstream anytime soon, and if a trans woman and black guys are the ones who have the easiest time seeing this, isn’t that DEI of a kind? I thought we were against that.
“It doesn’t offer faith, it doesn’t offer meaningful work, it doesn’t live with us?” I could not have described religion better, now let’s write Woke Racism.
Great conversation. Brooks reinforces the same way many of us feel about changes within the black community. Dedicated leaders need to find other means. They need to go through back channels to accomplish things instead of dealing with the main stream people who have personal or economic interests. There will always be certain black leaders who profit from all the bad things that take place within the inner-city. Pastor Brooks knows that, and this is his way of dealing with it.
I'm waiting for the day when that new center is finally built and opened. Then I would love to see a Glenn and John episode there.
Calling yourself a conservative is cultural appropriation 😏
This is Glenn best guest yet. Why? Corey is in the belly of the place where fears are manufactured and he is still conservative.
I have been following and donating to Pastor Brooks for a few years now. I first heard about him in Eli and Shelby Steele's documentary "What Killed Michael Brown". The Pastor is the real deal!
At one point he emailed me (and others that had donated) with his cell phone number and an offer to talk about anything I wanted, spiritual or otherwise.
It's great that he is finally on The Glenn Show.
I really admired this conversation EXCEPT for the too considerable time and energy spent criticizing the "black liberal elites." I think it would have been much more effective without more than a passing reference to that negativity. I believe this demonizing of "the other side" is for the most part self-defeating and counterproductive.
What an inspirational leader!! Great interview!
Rob Henderson recently wrote a Substack piece outlining the growing problem of single college age women…
https://open.substack.com/pub/robkhenderson/p/all-the-single-ladies?r=ub7jx&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
In his piece, he explains, based on several scientific studies, how the supply of “eligible” men affects the behavior of women and visa-versa.
“But how do such imbalances manifest themselves with regard to mating strategies? When there is a surplus of men, men are more likely to adapt to women’s preferences. When there is a larger male-to-female ratio, men are more likely to compete with each other to be what women want. Men are more willing to do what women want in order to be with them. On the other hand, when there is a surplus of women relative to men, women are more likely to adapt to men’s preferences. They compete with one another to be what men want. “
Although his piece mainly speaks to college educated women, this phenomenon seems to manifest across cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. It’s basic human behavior, not unique to any particular culture.
“Understanding that cultural sexualization is reliably associated with economic inequality provides insight into its origins, shedding light on the ecological conditions that perpetuate this controversial cultural trend.”
It seems to me to conclude that if we, as a society want to encourage marriage and family formation, we need to make sure our young men have everything they need to develop into successful adult men. And your guest is doing the work to making this happen! There is hope!