The single biggest issue facing the Black community is the failure of Black women to say "no" to sex with men who don't love them enough to marry them.
Glenn has expressed some personal experience with womanizing; I followed my father's bad example by being a womanizer - many college educated guys are this way.
Men having sex with people they're not married to is bad for society, even when it results in one or two (or more) orgasms.
It's an increasing problem with Whites, some 30% of White kids have their mothers not married to their fathers. It's a worse problem for Blacks, with over 70% (some places 75% or more). This is the single (40%?) most important disadvantage most Black kids grow up.
Most of US "White" privilege is actually "American" privilege, which is seen by comparing with Central Europe's 4 Visegrad countries: Poland, Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia. All full of Whites without American privilege - and many college grads would LOVE to go to America to work for 4k/month instead of $1,500 month (a good salary in those White countries).
I’m obviously a fan of yours, but you let her get away with murder during this talk. Her talk about “worker ownership” ( or whatever) is nonsense. What person would take a risk with their capital if their workers could simply retroactively seize parts of it? Also, her statement that we basically have a market failure because in certain industries, only 3-4 firms make up the market is likewise an old-school Marxist complaint. I’m shocked you let her get away with it, I was hoping you would’ve followed up and asked “when this happens, are these 3-4 firms the same firms in perpetuity or different firms each time?”
re: Socialism - worker control of profits. She seems oblivious to the problem of how a socialist-owned firm (workers) has or can develop the expertise to deal with changing markets and re-investment decisions. Workers specialize in production. Obvious. They do NOT specialize in markets, market developments, or future technologies. It is not a question of worker ignorance. It is a question of division of labor. Do floor or factory workers understand the relationship of emerging tech, AI and their own specific industry, let alone their relative position as "owners" of their factory relative to the competitive position of other factories in the same manufacturing industry? Example. If a paper co makes a profit, do workers have requisite knowledge how to invest profits...or consume them as STerm profits? Should a paper mill expand production, or change product lines? Should they begin production of tissue paper or cardboard vs the opportunity cost of making more typing paper or cardboard box paper..or more pizza boxes? Point is socialist ownership has no necessary relationship to investment wisdom, regardless the VIRTUE that capitalists are not "exploiting" workers.
The Left assumes that socialist ownership will produce positive outcomes. Such is not the case. In fact, seat-of-the-pants democracy may be the worst structure for deciding whether to consume profits or invest in new or different productive tools. Superficial gadfly's like Ms. Gray remain oblivious to their own relative ignorance,
On at totally separate level, I also disagree with her view that compensatory economic transfers will, by reducing the income/wealth gap, substantially increase the objective condition of the black "community." Prof. Loury has the better case, though he did not make it as forcefully as I might. Dr. Glenn is correct. Moral improvement, hard work, responsibility, study, and the "Western Ethic" are necessary for "sustained" economic improvement. Ms. Gray's idea fails for one simple reason. If greater incomes were distributed to the 'black' community, unrelated to object performance, the fix could ONLY be a short-term event.
Why? Simple. In the long run, if black students are matriculating high school on the basis of social promotion or white guilt, what are the consequences? An incompetent employee cannot FAKE performance. Engineers who "graduate" via social promotion and without demonstrated expertise will fail, regardless the virtue-signaling effort of the firm. In the long run, fake performance cannot be sustained in the face of market pressures. Any firm that pays workers parity wages with 9% reading and math proficiencies CANNOT remain competitive. Either other national firms, or other international firms will produce more at lower prices and better qualities. Ms. Gray simply does not understand economics.
It is for that reason, primarily, Dr. Glenn's case is more reasonable. A revolution in cultural behavior is necessary for the black community to attain intellectual cultural and real economic parity.
Finally, consider other aspects of culture. What music and what values do black middle-schooler's value? Who are their hero's and whose music fills the horizon of their minds? Gangsta-rap? NWA? or the 750 MILLION views of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPw_izFr5PA&ab_channel=Tekashi6ix9ine .
Does anyone seriously think this type of culture holds the seeds to a better tomorrow? Sorry, for a host of associated reasons, Dr. Glenn's wisdom isfar more compelling.
She ends it I'm typical fashion. She claims socialism hasn't worked because the capitalists (united states) hasn't allowed it to... She actually seems reasonable at times, but always falls back.
I don't know anything about Briahna Joy Gray, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts she was raised in a two-parent home who emphasized hard work and self study. Is there anything in her background that would suggest that chattel slavery has given her cause to suffer in America? If so, then look what personal determination can achieve! If not, why so mournful about our nation? Other than choosing to be personally offended and self-victimized by the hard facts of history, like so many youth of today, it seems she has placed politics and politics-ism at the forefront of life, instead of those things that truly matter. What a shame; America seems to have done very well by her.
I went back and listened to the full podcast, and it was difficult. I am immensely impressed by Briahna Joy Gray's command of her vocabulary and her skills at rhetoric. I enjoyed listening to her word choices and her rich conversation. I was so discouraged by her disingenuousness, calling out Prof Loury for his inability to cite specific facts to support his argument, but nonetheless citing trope after trope after stereotype herself in describing her worldview.
Her seeming appreciation for the former Soviet Union in contrast to her dismissiveness of America is jarring. It is scary to think of the number of Bernie supporters who embrace that totalitarianism. Politics above all and in all. I often think it's a sign of megalomania. If we'd just do what they think is best, they'd make sure we are all good.
I thought this was a great discussion and while I agree more with Glenn than Briahna, it led me to check out some of her other work. I'm glad it stayed cordial with a much higher-than-average attempt to speak in good faith and understand what they other side is saying. More of this type of content please!
You keep saying that you want to know what we think. Well here goes.
Sorry man, this interview didn't resonate much with me.
Briahna may have been polite towards you in her questions and comments, but her body language and facial expressions were clearly dismissive of many of the views you expressed.
I've got no time for the black elite (and by any measure Briahna is part of the black elite) wallowing in self pity about imagined slights that are trivial compared to the crap that went on 50 years ago and beyond.
I've got no time for the Bernie bros half baked socialist agenda. It's for dummies who haven't studied much history. Sorry if this offends your wife.
The point you made about needing to not alienate white folks if you want to continue progress is spot on and needs to be heeded. I doubt that Briahna really takes this in and understands the nuances.
Finally, you're a sucker for a pretty young face and a seductive smile old buddy. You went easy on her as you did on Lara Bazelon.
When I listened, your phrase "gratuitously offensive" really jumped out at me. Pair that with the hunt for microaggressions -- gratuitously offended, one might say -- and you have a recipe for a super fun person: I'm rude and I complain a lot, want to be friends?
The single biggest issue facing the Black community is the failure of Black women to say "no" to sex with men who don't love them enough to marry them.
Glenn has expressed some personal experience with womanizing; I followed my father's bad example by being a womanizer - many college educated guys are this way.
Men having sex with people they're not married to is bad for society, even when it results in one or two (or more) orgasms.
It's an increasing problem with Whites, some 30% of White kids have their mothers not married to their fathers. It's a worse problem for Blacks, with over 70% (some places 75% or more). This is the single (40%?) most important disadvantage most Black kids grow up.
Most of US "White" privilege is actually "American" privilege, which is seen by comparing with Central Europe's 4 Visegrad countries: Poland, Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia. All full of Whites without American privilege - and many college grads would LOVE to go to America to work for 4k/month instead of $1,500 month (a good salary in those White countries).
I’m obviously a fan of yours, but you let her get away with murder during this talk. Her talk about “worker ownership” ( or whatever) is nonsense. What person would take a risk with their capital if their workers could simply retroactively seize parts of it? Also, her statement that we basically have a market failure because in certain industries, only 3-4 firms make up the market is likewise an old-school Marxist complaint. I’m shocked you let her get away with it, I was hoping you would’ve followed up and asked “when this happens, are these 3-4 firms the same firms in perpetuity or different firms each time?”
I would dispute many issues with Ms. Gray.
re: Socialism - worker control of profits. She seems oblivious to the problem of how a socialist-owned firm (workers) has or can develop the expertise to deal with changing markets and re-investment decisions. Workers specialize in production. Obvious. They do NOT specialize in markets, market developments, or future technologies. It is not a question of worker ignorance. It is a question of division of labor. Do floor or factory workers understand the relationship of emerging tech, AI and their own specific industry, let alone their relative position as "owners" of their factory relative to the competitive position of other factories in the same manufacturing industry? Example. If a paper co makes a profit, do workers have requisite knowledge how to invest profits...or consume them as STerm profits? Should a paper mill expand production, or change product lines? Should they begin production of tissue paper or cardboard vs the opportunity cost of making more typing paper or cardboard box paper..or more pizza boxes? Point is socialist ownership has no necessary relationship to investment wisdom, regardless the VIRTUE that capitalists are not "exploiting" workers.
The Left assumes that socialist ownership will produce positive outcomes. Such is not the case. In fact, seat-of-the-pants democracy may be the worst structure for deciding whether to consume profits or invest in new or different productive tools. Superficial gadfly's like Ms. Gray remain oblivious to their own relative ignorance,
On at totally separate level, I also disagree with her view that compensatory economic transfers will, by reducing the income/wealth gap, substantially increase the objective condition of the black "community." Prof. Loury has the better case, though he did not make it as forcefully as I might. Dr. Glenn is correct. Moral improvement, hard work, responsibility, study, and the "Western Ethic" are necessary for "sustained" economic improvement. Ms. Gray's idea fails for one simple reason. If greater incomes were distributed to the 'black' community, unrelated to object performance, the fix could ONLY be a short-term event.
Why? Simple. In the long run, if black students are matriculating high school on the basis of social promotion or white guilt, what are the consequences? An incompetent employee cannot FAKE performance. Engineers who "graduate" via social promotion and without demonstrated expertise will fail, regardless the virtue-signaling effort of the firm. In the long run, fake performance cannot be sustained in the face of market pressures. Any firm that pays workers parity wages with 9% reading and math proficiencies CANNOT remain competitive. Either other national firms, or other international firms will produce more at lower prices and better qualities. Ms. Gray simply does not understand economics.
It is for that reason, primarily, Dr. Glenn's case is more reasonable. A revolution in cultural behavior is necessary for the black community to attain intellectual cultural and real economic parity.
Finally, consider other aspects of culture. What music and what values do black middle-schooler's value? Who are their hero's and whose music fills the horizon of their minds? Gangsta-rap? NWA? or the 750 MILLION views of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPw_izFr5PA&ab_channel=Tekashi6ix9ine .
Does anyone seriously think this type of culture holds the seeds to a better tomorrow? Sorry, for a host of associated reasons, Dr. Glenn's wisdom isfar more compelling.
She ends it I'm typical fashion. She claims socialism hasn't worked because the capitalists (united states) hasn't allowed it to... She actually seems reasonable at times, but always falls back.
I don't know anything about Briahna Joy Gray, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts she was raised in a two-parent home who emphasized hard work and self study. Is there anything in her background that would suggest that chattel slavery has given her cause to suffer in America? If so, then look what personal determination can achieve! If not, why so mournful about our nation? Other than choosing to be personally offended and self-victimized by the hard facts of history, like so many youth of today, it seems she has placed politics and politics-ism at the forefront of life, instead of those things that truly matter. What a shame; America seems to have done very well by her.
I went back and listened to the full podcast, and it was difficult. I am immensely impressed by Briahna Joy Gray's command of her vocabulary and her skills at rhetoric. I enjoyed listening to her word choices and her rich conversation. I was so discouraged by her disingenuousness, calling out Prof Loury for his inability to cite specific facts to support his argument, but nonetheless citing trope after trope after stereotype herself in describing her worldview.
Her seeming appreciation for the former Soviet Union in contrast to her dismissiveness of America is jarring. It is scary to think of the number of Bernie supporters who embrace that totalitarianism. Politics above all and in all. I often think it's a sign of megalomania. If we'd just do what they think is best, they'd make sure we are all good.
Gee, thanks.
I thought this was a great discussion and while I agree more with Glenn than Briahna, it led me to check out some of her other work. I'm glad it stayed cordial with a much higher-than-average attempt to speak in good faith and understand what they other side is saying. More of this type of content please!
You keep saying that you want to know what we think. Well here goes.
Sorry man, this interview didn't resonate much with me.
Briahna may have been polite towards you in her questions and comments, but her body language and facial expressions were clearly dismissive of many of the views you expressed.
I've got no time for the black elite (and by any measure Briahna is part of the black elite) wallowing in self pity about imagined slights that are trivial compared to the crap that went on 50 years ago and beyond.
I've got no time for the Bernie bros half baked socialist agenda. It's for dummies who haven't studied much history. Sorry if this offends your wife.
The point you made about needing to not alienate white folks if you want to continue progress is spot on and needs to be heeded. I doubt that Briahna really takes this in and understands the nuances.
Finally, you're a sucker for a pretty young face and a seductive smile old buddy. You went easy on her as you did on Lara Bazelon.
When I listened, your phrase "gratuitously offensive" really jumped out at me. Pair that with the hunt for microaggressions -- gratuitously offended, one might say -- and you have a recipe for a super fun person: I'm rude and I complain a lot, want to be friends?