The autopsy of Matthew Perry was released a couple days ago, or 48-days after his death. About 7-weeks, or slightly longer than the typical 4 to 6-weeks. As I commented previously, the autopsy report of Michael Jackson took 8-weeks from his death. Both Perry and Jackson were doctor assisted addicts. This privilege was due to societal position and ready access to money. George Floyd was a street addict, without money or position. The color of one's skin did not matter. The color of their money did.
The toxicology for Matthew Perry included the following samples; heart blood, femoral blood, gastric contents, liver, bile, urine and vitreous. https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2023-14789_Redacted.pdf The toxicology for George Floyd was based on hospital blood and urine only. Given the greater controversy over the death of George Floyd, why were more samples, consistent with forensic science, not taken and analyzed? When followed, this scientific process leads to the most conclusive determination for the cause of death. It is not error proof, but is the most science based and independent determination as to cause of death.
The release of autopsy report from date of death include Prince at 6-weeks, Matthew Perry at 7-weeks, Michael Jackson at 8-weeks and George Floyd only 6-DAYS. This is the original sin in the State of Minnesota's prosecution of Derek Chauvin.
This was an interesting episode, but would like to bring attention to a few nuances that were glossed over.
1) The training materials referenced in the film and episode instruct the officer to move the restrained person to the side recovery position once the restraint device has been applied because holding a person prone is dangerous. Freeze the frame at 1h4m and you can see it in the top left corner of the slide. It is also noted on the document shown at 1h2m. Maybe this was glossed over in the trial. I think it should be looked at now.
2) the fact that GF was visibly intoxicated and tested positive for fentanyl and methamphetamine does not establish that these drugs were the principal cause of his death. John’s comments imply otherwise. This has been addressed by many others, and does not require further elaboration by me.
3) GF was restrained for several minutes or more. Therefore, there are periods of time where we simply can’t establish the location of DC’s knee based on available footage — The view is obstructed for most of the bodycam footage in the film. We’re left with a brief shot from the bodycam, and the viral image. It’s unclear that this matters in establishing the cause of death(see #1).
I have been wanting to make this comment to you and other thought leaders that I follow, but this video inspired me to finally write. I want to keep this as short as possible. First, thank you for your work and ongoing thoughtful commentaries. I want to state first that I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am a teacher and a mother. I follow politics more closely than ever before due to disturbing trends I have encountered in education over the past decade. I am hopeful that someone will at least consider my thoughts below because this has seemed like a very simple connection to make since it happened, yet I have not heard it discussed:
To the George Floyd narrative: I remember being at home with my son during COVID on Friday, May 22, 2020. It was the heat of the 2020 election cycle, and there was a lot of talk about Joe Biden's numbers slipping and how much he needed the Black vote. That day, I saw Joe Biden on Charlamagne Tha God's show say his infamous "Then you ain't Black" quote. I remember thinking this was a major nail in his coffin for the election and that they would have to do something desperate to save him from this (especially because Joe Biden has a history of making overtly racist and condescending comments about Black people). Anyway, I remember that Friday very vividly, and I thought of the movie "Wag the Dog," and I literally said to my son, "Watch, they are going to have to create a major distraction to keep the Black and social justice voters on Biden's side after that."
Low and behold, three days later on that Monday, May 25, the George Floyd story broke and was made the biggest story in the nation. I know this sounds like a crazy conspiracy on some levels, but it was the most expected thing in the world, and yet no one seems to connect the two events. There was such desperation to beat Donald Trump. I don't even think that the George Floyd story was expected to go as big and long as it did. I would argue it was just meant to be enough of distraction to negate the Charlamagne interview's impact. I think they (Democratic political machine) just wanted to promote a story to rile up the social justice crowd enough against police and systemic racism to keep attention off of Biden's track record in this area. But then they unleashed something they could not take back - they poured gasoline on a fire that not only served them politically better than they expected, but it also held them to account in ways that forced all sorts of legitimacy to be handed to DEI proponents at the time, which has caused its own cascade of lies and harm.
I hope I have explained my thoughts adequately to explain the link that I observed. I hope you will consider it at least. Do you see any connection to these things?
The crime was the jailing of an officer doing his job. Imagine Floyd, drugged and driving, mowing down kids in a crosswalk. . . what would the press say about that? Maybe focus on his history of drug use? Chauvin should be freed immediately and compensation paid to him for life.
Thank you for speaking out on these events. These misrepresentations for political gain are the worst kind of cry-wolf moment. Meanwhile, in 2014 during the Michael Brown fiasco, John Crawford III and Tamir Rice were killed in Dayton and Cleveland, Ohio. Reforms like body cameras are helping to bring actual events to life, but other reforms, like sending actual 911 calls to responding police, could have saved the lives of this innocent man and boy. Their tragic deaths were all but unnoticed because of the deceit surrounding Michael Brown's death.
I believe the ultimate goal of these deceptions is to further divide us by race, religion, gender, sexuality, lifestyle, politics, vaccination status -- any way possible. Variations of fracturing what is truth have been used by Satan ever since the fall of man. People fearlessly speaking aloud, as Glenn Loury and John McWhorter are speaking, with common sense, as sense of right and wrong, and, above all, love, is a positive step towards combatting this most current iteration of devilish insanity. May we all have the courage to follow Mr. Loury's and Mr. McWhorter's example.
I pray for all people embroiled in this upside-down world that we might be spared from the efforts of our ancient foe, and that we might turn towards God in love, and in love for one another, as He has asked of us. In Jesus name we pray, amen.
I suspect that Chauvin was stabbed while on a sensitive needs yard where ex cops, informants, and debriefed prison gang members are housed. The immediate issue for Chauvin is serious classification consideration for housing in Administrative Segregation for an indefinite period of time.
Like you two gentlemen, I also had initially come to the conclusion that this was unwarranted brutality on the part of the officers, but as I read more and saw the wanton destruction of cities across the nation, I became curious how this situation - an arrest for using counterfeit money - devolved so. I started documenting my thoughts on June 9, 2020, and updated as I found new sources. After watching many clips of surveillance video and bodycam footage and reading opinion pieces from other law enforcement officers about this particular restraint, I came to the sad conclusion that this was a very tragic event, that there was not one man involved who set out that day to kill some poor Black man, and that the one person who had the most fault in this tragedy was unfortunately George Floyd. That is not to say that I believe that he 'got what was coming', but that his own actions, particularly those with regard to his own body, set in motion a confluence of consequences that I am not sure any medical professional could have prevented. Much of what was revealed in The Fall of Minneapolis I already was aware of because of my research and my desire to know the truth. I had read the autopsy report, watched bodycam footage, read the transcript of the 911 call from the convenience store clerk, read through a training manual for the use of maximal restraint, with the photos shown in the documentary. All of this was available in the months following the incident to anyone curious enough to want to know the truth. As I stated, I have no reason to believe or even want to believe the George Floyd deserved to die as he did. But nor do I have any reason to believe any of those responding officers deserve to spend a minute in prison. Nobody gains from that, and nobody gains from the perpetuation of the lie that Floyd was murdered. A conviction for murder requires proof of premeditation. How many people go about their day believing that they could be next victim of a rogue police officer? That is a horrendous way to live life. Thank you both for sharing your thoughts.
How about more substance on your part rather than worthless compensatory whiteness? Becky is rolling on the floor with uncontrollable laughter. Lol!!!!
The autopsy report did not list asphyxiation as the cause of death. The cause of death was cardiac arrest. Drug use was not felt to be the cause of death.
The coroner said that Chauvin’s knee was positioned on the side and on the back of the neck. The carotid artery was not blocked by Chauvin’s knee. No bruising of the neck or shoulder.
Despite social media claims, nothing has changed in the autopsy findings of George Floyd.
Glenn it's possible, of course, that Chauvin has an incompetent defense, biased judge, railroaded jury (reaching a unanimous verdict), and perjured testimony by a police chief. It's also possible that the documentary is itself biased and should be viewed with some skepticism. You and John have moved from a high degree of certainty from one position to it's exact opposite. Let me ask you this. You have spent a lot of time arguing that the Floyd and Tony Timpa cases were similar, to make the case that the Floyd killing was not racially motivated. You have now changed your mind about Floyd. Does that shift your beliefs at all about whether Dustin Dillard murdered Timpa? My own view is that the truth is always murky in these cases, getting convictions against officers is extremely rare, and a high degree of subjective uncertainty is warranted. For this reason, the title of this post and the tenor of your discussion was disappointing.
I am of course outraged about this. I never did think the whole story had come out. But I did not realize how profoundly the fix was in from the top of the political hierarchy down. I hope you guys will do what you can to keep publicizing how this documentary is being received and above all any efforts underway to get this horrible miscarriage of justice reversed.
ps. However it was a tragedy in every sense. Floyd shouldn't have lost his life that day. I get that. It's just how the world so easily scapegoated Chauvin without doing the work. Like writing a book report for a book you haven't read.....
I found your podcast during the Chauvin trial and have followed it since, loving almost everything you put out there. However, over time, I have felt disappointed that you so easily went for the low hanging fruit regarding the Chauvin verdict. It’s the one time you didn’t do the work. Thankfully you found this video and saw the truth.
I live near Minneapolis and when I first saw the viral video, I was still on the Liberal side of things and thought it was all the proof needed to throw this man away. However right before I was to throw away 2 long-time friends--one a police officer of 35 years; the other a reformed liberal, two of the most principled people I know, I paused. I caught myself caught up in emotion rather than facts when they posed questions to me. That’s when I started to notice every major news station calling this a “murder” before the trial began.
I gave myself the task of watching every moment of the trial, imagining myself as a juror, trying to be objective as possible. Some days, I got caught up in the emotion and saw Chauvin as the devil incarnate. Other days, I questioned what I heard; for example, the police chief stating that the department did not teach a certain hold when they clearly did. I chatted with my friend who is a police officer to better understand the purpose of these holds; as horrible as they may look, they are used to prevent further escalation.
Then it was so clear there were many opportunities for Cahill to rightly call this a mistrial, especially after Waters visit to Minneapolis whipping up the crowd and threatening the city would burn if there was an acquittal. The polluted jury. Having the trial be in a city that was rabid with vengeance. Learning one of the jurors was a part of the BLM movement. And still, the world, including my friends missed all of this because they were social warriors fighting the good fight. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
However, it was Eric Nelson’s closing arguments that sealed the deal for me---- a brilliant argument, full of facts and videos not discussed earlier (and rudely interrupted by Cahill for a lunch break). Nelson implored the jury to consider the totality of the events, from the moment Floyd entered the store to the moment the ambulance arrived, rather than relying on only a 9-minute video.
The jury was charged with one thing and one thing only---to determine without doubt that Chauvin's action was THE factor responsible for Floyd’s death, that there were no other dominoes to fall—not the fentanyl, not Floyd’s heart condition nor his overall health. They had to determine that there was no doubt in their minds that these factors may have been the cause for Floyd’s unfortunate demise. It seemed a slam dunk that the most the jury could do was to accuse Chauvin of a misdemeanor.
When the jury's verdict was announced, I literally gasped, felt weak and started to cry. When I saw the crowd outside the courthouse cheer as if they were at a lynching, I was brought to my knees. When friends called me rejoicing on the other end, I felt revulsion. One friend told me she didn't recognize me. I told her it was clear she never knew who I was. I hadn't changed. The world around me had.
It was a lonely time. I cried a lot. I ate little. I went to see my rabbi. Then I found Glenn, John, Coleman, and Bari—voices from the underground that were silenced by major news outlets. I listened. I regained my footing. I learned I wasn’t alone. Now, since the October 7th attack by Hamas on Israel, I’m even more grateful that I have found this community. Thank you for helping to create it.
I thank God that Glenn and John have FINALLY - too late but at least genuinely - found evidence for , and believe the evidence of, the fact that George Floyd died from a drug overdose, that Derek Chauvin did not murder Floyd, that the four cops did everything by the book and tried to rescue Floyd from his own overdose, and that the media has lied, lied, lied about how Floyd died, how Chauvin and the other cops tried to save him while protecting bystanders, and what a cruel travesty was Derek Chauvin's trial and that crucial evidence that would have exonerated Chauvin was rules inadmissable by a clearly prejudiced judge. This isn't supposed to happen in America.
I admire and support, to the max, your description of how you were fooled, and how the true body cam footage from four cops was unavailable to the public for far too long, allowing the blatantly prejudiced left wing media to force upon the nation a narrative about the event that rose to the level of an Aesop's fable whose purpose was not to tell the truth but to shame us all, especially white people, into flagellating ourselves about how we just never "get" how oppressed are the black population that is incidentally responsible for the majority of violent crime, but whose victims are overwhelmingly BLACK.
This is a grotesquely unjust crime against the black victims who now seem to have no one fighting for THEIR rights to be free of violence and free of losing their children to street crime. Who are the subjects of the rhetoric of Al Sharpton, of Jesse Jackson, of Cory Booker? If these Black "leaders" cared about dead black children, why are they accusing both Blacks and whites who are working to solve these crimes, instead of the Black gangs who are creating more black victims than any war in US history?
"WASHINGTON, Nov 20 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear an appeal by former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin of his conviction for the murder of George Floyd during a 2020 arrest, which sparked widespread protests against police brutality and racism.
The justices turned away Chauvin's appeal that he filed after a Minnesota appellate court upheld his 2021 murder conviction and rejected his request for a new trial. Chauvin had argued that jury bias and certain rulings by the presiding judge deprived him of his right to a fair trial under the U.S. Constitution's Sixth Amendment."
Chavin will be spending lots of time with Pookie and Ray-ray. Poetic justice! Cops using excessive force on unarmed suspects need to be made an example of. Cops owe a duty of care in performing their jobs, especially with those in crisis. Floyd's arrest history is irrelevant to a jury's findings of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
Did you closely research the compelling evidence that Black Panther Leader Fred Hampton was assassinated by the police?
Wikipedia: In 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identified Hampton as a radical threat. It tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation among black progressive groups and placing a counterintelligence operative in the local Panthers organization. In December 1969, Hampton was drugged,[8][9] shot and killed in his bed during a predawn raid at his Chicago apartment by a tactical unit of the Cook County State's Attorney's Office, who received aid from the Chicago Police Department and the FBI leading up to the attack. Law enforcement sprayed more than 100 gunshots throughout the apartment; the occupants fired once.[10] During the raid, Panther Mark Clark was also killed and several others were seriously wounded. In January 1970, the Cook County Coroner held an inquest; the coroner's jury concluded that Hampton's and Clark's deaths were justifiable homicides.[11][12][13][14]
A civil lawsuit was later filed on behalf of the survivors and the relatives of Hampton and Clark.[15] It was resolved in 1982 by a settlement of $1.85 million (equivalent to $5.61 million in 2022); the U.S. federal government, Cook County, and the City of Chicago each paid one-third to a group of nine plaintiffs. Given revelations about the illegal COINTELPRO program and documents associated with the killings, many scholars now consider Hampton's death at age 21, a deliberate murder, or an assassination at the FBI's initiative.[1][2][3][16][17]
Law enforcement involved in the assassination was not held accountable. Another outspoken nigger dead through COINTELPRO. COINTELPRO infiltrated all black civil rights and activist groups with disinformation. Hoover attempted to get MLK to commit suicide.
I worked in law enforcement for 34 years, witnessing plenty of law enforcement malfeasance and attempted coverups. Cops have their own culture and code of conduct, sometimes resembling street gang behavior. I've been threatened with harm to remain silent on the fuckery, especially the use of excessive force. Chavin is where he should be. He exhausted his appeals at the appellate and Supreme Courts (ultra-condervative).
Chavin will need to comply and just submit to giving up his booty during his stay--- a good deterrence for cops thinking about abusing their authority.
Anyone can make a compelling documentary convoluting facts, especially someone pro-cop. How much money is being made? The economic component?
Glenn Loury and John McWhorter, economic and linguistic professors are drama queens buck-dancing for white approval and notoriety--- lots of speculations. They’re not lawyers/prosecutors, pathologists, cops, or relevant experts in the criminal system.
Nice diversion, Monty. Irrelevant to the issue at hand even if the saintly do-gooding old Panthers were mistreated. LA Confidential was also a good movie. But no interest in sticking to the facts here? So it seems.
As a correctional counselor and manager, I had a number ex white cops on the other side of my desk like Chauvin. I usually kept a good supply of kleenex, Kotex pads, and bottles of Midol. These so-called tough guys would be kneeling on the floor crying and begging for mercy. It was quite a spectacle. Could you handle Aryans cornering you in the blunds and demanding your booty. Lol!!!!
Facts: November 2023, Reuters p- The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear an appeal by former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin of his conviction for the murder of George Floyd during a 2020 arrest, which sparked widespread protests against police brutality and racism.
The justices turned away Chauvin's appeal that he filed after a Minnesota appellate court upheld his 2021 murder conviction and rejected his request for a new trial. Chauvin had argued that jury bias and certain rulings by the presiding judge deprived him of his right to a fair trial under the U.S.
Constitution's Sixth Amendment."
Per Public Affairs Office, in a plea agreement at the federal level, Chauvin admitted that he willfully violated Mr. Floyd’s constitutional right ĺ to be deprived of liberty without due process of law, which includes an arrestee’s right to be free from a police officer’s deliberate indifference to his serious medical needs. Specifically, Chauvin admitted that he failed to render medical aid to Mr. Floyd, although he saw that Mr. Floyd was lying on the ground, in serious medical need, and although he was aware that MPD policy required him to provide emergency medical aid, including CPR, to an arrestee who needs it. Chauvin admitted that his failure to render medical aid resulted in Mr. Floyd’s bodily injury and death.
Additionally, according to the plea agreement, Chauvin admitted that on Sept. 4, 2017, he willfully violated the then-14-year-old child’s constitutional right to be free from an officer’s use of unreasonable force. Specifically, Chauvin admitted that he held the child by the throat and struck the child multiple times in the head with a flashlight, resulting in the child’s bodily injury. In the plea agreement, Chauvin also admitted that he held his knee on the child’s neck, shoulders and upper back for between 15 and 16 minutes, even though the child was face-down on the floor, handcuffed and not resisting. Chauvin admitted that these actions resulted in the child’s bodily injury.
It's a done deal. Convicted murderer and child abuser Derek Chauvin should accept his fate. Next time, give up the booty rather than being stabbed 25 times. This is poetic justice for excessive use of force by a punkass police officer. Cops owe a duty of care during the performance of their duties.
In an old case, there is compelling evidence that 21-year-old Black Panther Leader Fred Hampton was assassinated by the police with the involvement of COINTELPRO. But, no one was charged and convicted.
The police, for the most part, have their own culture and codes, just like street gangs. I worked in law enforcement for 34 years and witnessed the abuse. Staff who informed their fellow officers were threatened with bodily harm or death. There have been cases wherein fellow officers have been set up and killed by their comrades, especially black officers.
Poor Glenn Loury and John McWhorter are two drama queens hungry for notoriety and material gain. The great success of Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ibram X. Kendi constantly lived in their heada rent free. Meritorious manumission n*ggas are something else, addicted to thriving on approval and affirmation from anti-black racist white folks.
Remember the fate of the Jews who collaborated with the German Nazis?
The issue at hand is white right-wing piranhas swarming on the red meat being tossed to them. For your informatiin, I've evaluated convicted felons for prison incarceration and probation, along with giving court testimony on convicted murderers being considered for the death penalty.
The autopsy of Matthew Perry was released a couple days ago, or 48-days after his death. About 7-weeks, or slightly longer than the typical 4 to 6-weeks. As I commented previously, the autopsy report of Michael Jackson took 8-weeks from his death. Both Perry and Jackson were doctor assisted addicts. This privilege was due to societal position and ready access to money. George Floyd was a street addict, without money or position. The color of one's skin did not matter. The color of their money did.
The toxicology for Matthew Perry included the following samples; heart blood, femoral blood, gastric contents, liver, bile, urine and vitreous. https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2023-14789_Redacted.pdf The toxicology for George Floyd was based on hospital blood and urine only. Given the greater controversy over the death of George Floyd, why were more samples, consistent with forensic science, not taken and analyzed? When followed, this scientific process leads to the most conclusive determination for the cause of death. It is not error proof, but is the most science based and independent determination as to cause of death.
The release of autopsy report from date of death include Prince at 6-weeks, Matthew Perry at 7-weeks, Michael Jackson at 8-weeks and George Floyd only 6-DAYS. This is the original sin in the State of Minnesota's prosecution of Derek Chauvin.
This was an interesting episode, but would like to bring attention to a few nuances that were glossed over.
1) The training materials referenced in the film and episode instruct the officer to move the restrained person to the side recovery position once the restraint device has been applied because holding a person prone is dangerous. Freeze the frame at 1h4m and you can see it in the top left corner of the slide. It is also noted on the document shown at 1h2m. Maybe this was glossed over in the trial. I think it should be looked at now.
2) the fact that GF was visibly intoxicated and tested positive for fentanyl and methamphetamine does not establish that these drugs were the principal cause of his death. John’s comments imply otherwise. This has been addressed by many others, and does not require further elaboration by me.
3) GF was restrained for several minutes or more. Therefore, there are periods of time where we simply can’t establish the location of DC’s knee based on available footage — The view is obstructed for most of the bodycam footage in the film. We’re left with a brief shot from the bodycam, and the viral image. It’s unclear that this matters in establishing the cause of death(see #1).
Dear Mr. Loury,
I have been wanting to make this comment to you and other thought leaders that I follow, but this video inspired me to finally write. I want to keep this as short as possible. First, thank you for your work and ongoing thoughtful commentaries. I want to state first that I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am a teacher and a mother. I follow politics more closely than ever before due to disturbing trends I have encountered in education over the past decade. I am hopeful that someone will at least consider my thoughts below because this has seemed like a very simple connection to make since it happened, yet I have not heard it discussed:
To the George Floyd narrative: I remember being at home with my son during COVID on Friday, May 22, 2020. It was the heat of the 2020 election cycle, and there was a lot of talk about Joe Biden's numbers slipping and how much he needed the Black vote. That day, I saw Joe Biden on Charlamagne Tha God's show say his infamous "Then you ain't Black" quote. I remember thinking this was a major nail in his coffin for the election and that they would have to do something desperate to save him from this (especially because Joe Biden has a history of making overtly racist and condescending comments about Black people). Anyway, I remember that Friday very vividly, and I thought of the movie "Wag the Dog," and I literally said to my son, "Watch, they are going to have to create a major distraction to keep the Black and social justice voters on Biden's side after that."
Low and behold, three days later on that Monday, May 25, the George Floyd story broke and was made the biggest story in the nation. I know this sounds like a crazy conspiracy on some levels, but it was the most expected thing in the world, and yet no one seems to connect the two events. There was such desperation to beat Donald Trump. I don't even think that the George Floyd story was expected to go as big and long as it did. I would argue it was just meant to be enough of distraction to negate the Charlamagne interview's impact. I think they (Democratic political machine) just wanted to promote a story to rile up the social justice crowd enough against police and systemic racism to keep attention off of Biden's track record in this area. But then they unleashed something they could not take back - they poured gasoline on a fire that not only served them politically better than they expected, but it also held them to account in ways that forced all sorts of legitimacy to be handed to DEI proponents at the time, which has caused its own cascade of lies and harm.
I hope I have explained my thoughts adequately to explain the link that I observed. I hope you will consider it at least. Do you see any connection to these things?
Thank you again for your work,
K.H.
The crime was the jailing of an officer doing his job. Imagine Floyd, drugged and driving, mowing down kids in a crosswalk. . . what would the press say about that? Maybe focus on his history of drug use? Chauvin should be freed immediately and compensation paid to him for life.
Thank you for speaking out on these events. These misrepresentations for political gain are the worst kind of cry-wolf moment. Meanwhile, in 2014 during the Michael Brown fiasco, John Crawford III and Tamir Rice were killed in Dayton and Cleveland, Ohio. Reforms like body cameras are helping to bring actual events to life, but other reforms, like sending actual 911 calls to responding police, could have saved the lives of this innocent man and boy. Their tragic deaths were all but unnoticed because of the deceit surrounding Michael Brown's death.
I believe the ultimate goal of these deceptions is to further divide us by race, religion, gender, sexuality, lifestyle, politics, vaccination status -- any way possible. Variations of fracturing what is truth have been used by Satan ever since the fall of man. People fearlessly speaking aloud, as Glenn Loury and John McWhorter are speaking, with common sense, as sense of right and wrong, and, above all, love, is a positive step towards combatting this most current iteration of devilish insanity. May we all have the courage to follow Mr. Loury's and Mr. McWhorter's example.
I pray for all people embroiled in this upside-down world that we might be spared from the efforts of our ancient foe, and that we might turn towards God in love, and in love for one another, as He has asked of us. In Jesus name we pray, amen.
I suspect that Chauvin was stabbed while on a sensitive needs yard where ex cops, informants, and debriefed prison gang members are housed. The immediate issue for Chauvin is serious classification consideration for housing in Administrative Segregation for an indefinite period of time.
Like you two gentlemen, I also had initially come to the conclusion that this was unwarranted brutality on the part of the officers, but as I read more and saw the wanton destruction of cities across the nation, I became curious how this situation - an arrest for using counterfeit money - devolved so. I started documenting my thoughts on June 9, 2020, and updated as I found new sources. After watching many clips of surveillance video and bodycam footage and reading opinion pieces from other law enforcement officers about this particular restraint, I came to the sad conclusion that this was a very tragic event, that there was not one man involved who set out that day to kill some poor Black man, and that the one person who had the most fault in this tragedy was unfortunately George Floyd. That is not to say that I believe that he 'got what was coming', but that his own actions, particularly those with regard to his own body, set in motion a confluence of consequences that I am not sure any medical professional could have prevented. Much of what was revealed in The Fall of Minneapolis I already was aware of because of my research and my desire to know the truth. I had read the autopsy report, watched bodycam footage, read the transcript of the 911 call from the convenience store clerk, read through a training manual for the use of maximal restraint, with the photos shown in the documentary. All of this was available in the months following the incident to anyone curious enough to want to know the truth. As I stated, I have no reason to believe or even want to believe the George Floyd deserved to die as he did. But nor do I have any reason to believe any of those responding officers deserve to spend a minute in prison. Nobody gains from that, and nobody gains from the perpetuation of the lie that Floyd was murdered. A conviction for murder requires proof of premeditation. How many people go about their day believing that they could be next victim of a rogue police officer? That is a horrendous way to live life. Thank you both for sharing your thoughts.
How about more substance on your part rather than worthless compensatory whiteness? Becky is rolling on the floor with uncontrollable laughter. Lol!!!!
You're irrevelant. White affirmation is irrevelant. White narratives are irrevelant. Lol!
The autopsy report did not list asphyxiation as the cause of death. The cause of death was cardiac arrest. Drug use was not felt to be the cause of death.
The coroner said that Chauvin’s knee was positioned on the side and on the back of the neck. The carotid artery was not blocked by Chauvin’s knee. No bruising of the neck or shoulder.
Despite social media claims, nothing has changed in the autopsy findings of George Floyd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47fG03B6j8U&t=4090s
We are using biased documentaries to replace rational trial testimony.
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Glenn it's possible, of course, that Chauvin has an incompetent defense, biased judge, railroaded jury (reaching a unanimous verdict), and perjured testimony by a police chief. It's also possible that the documentary is itself biased and should be viewed with some skepticism. You and John have moved from a high degree of certainty from one position to it's exact opposite. Let me ask you this. You have spent a lot of time arguing that the Floyd and Tony Timpa cases were similar, to make the case that the Floyd killing was not racially motivated. You have now changed your mind about Floyd. Does that shift your beliefs at all about whether Dustin Dillard murdered Timpa? My own view is that the truth is always murky in these cases, getting convictions against officers is extremely rare, and a high degree of subjective uncertainty is warranted. For this reason, the title of this post and the tenor of your discussion was disappointing.
I am of course outraged about this. I never did think the whole story had come out. But I did not realize how profoundly the fix was in from the top of the political hierarchy down. I hope you guys will do what you can to keep publicizing how this documentary is being received and above all any efforts underway to get this horrible miscarriage of justice reversed.
ps. However it was a tragedy in every sense. Floyd shouldn't have lost his life that day. I get that. It's just how the world so easily scapegoated Chauvin without doing the work. Like writing a book report for a book you haven't read.....
I found your podcast during the Chauvin trial and have followed it since, loving almost everything you put out there. However, over time, I have felt disappointed that you so easily went for the low hanging fruit regarding the Chauvin verdict. It’s the one time you didn’t do the work. Thankfully you found this video and saw the truth.
I live near Minneapolis and when I first saw the viral video, I was still on the Liberal side of things and thought it was all the proof needed to throw this man away. However right before I was to throw away 2 long-time friends--one a police officer of 35 years; the other a reformed liberal, two of the most principled people I know, I paused. I caught myself caught up in emotion rather than facts when they posed questions to me. That’s when I started to notice every major news station calling this a “murder” before the trial began.
I gave myself the task of watching every moment of the trial, imagining myself as a juror, trying to be objective as possible. Some days, I got caught up in the emotion and saw Chauvin as the devil incarnate. Other days, I questioned what I heard; for example, the police chief stating that the department did not teach a certain hold when they clearly did. I chatted with my friend who is a police officer to better understand the purpose of these holds; as horrible as they may look, they are used to prevent further escalation.
Then it was so clear there were many opportunities for Cahill to rightly call this a mistrial, especially after Waters visit to Minneapolis whipping up the crowd and threatening the city would burn if there was an acquittal. The polluted jury. Having the trial be in a city that was rabid with vengeance. Learning one of the jurors was a part of the BLM movement. And still, the world, including my friends missed all of this because they were social warriors fighting the good fight. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
However, it was Eric Nelson’s closing arguments that sealed the deal for me---- a brilliant argument, full of facts and videos not discussed earlier (and rudely interrupted by Cahill for a lunch break). Nelson implored the jury to consider the totality of the events, from the moment Floyd entered the store to the moment the ambulance arrived, rather than relying on only a 9-minute video.
The jury was charged with one thing and one thing only---to determine without doubt that Chauvin's action was THE factor responsible for Floyd’s death, that there were no other dominoes to fall—not the fentanyl, not Floyd’s heart condition nor his overall health. They had to determine that there was no doubt in their minds that these factors may have been the cause for Floyd’s unfortunate demise. It seemed a slam dunk that the most the jury could do was to accuse Chauvin of a misdemeanor.
When the jury's verdict was announced, I literally gasped, felt weak and started to cry. When I saw the crowd outside the courthouse cheer as if they were at a lynching, I was brought to my knees. When friends called me rejoicing on the other end, I felt revulsion. One friend told me she didn't recognize me. I told her it was clear she never knew who I was. I hadn't changed. The world around me had.
It was a lonely time. I cried a lot. I ate little. I went to see my rabbi. Then I found Glenn, John, Coleman, and Bari—voices from the underground that were silenced by major news outlets. I listened. I regained my footing. I learned I wasn’t alone. Now, since the October 7th attack by Hamas on Israel, I’m even more grateful that I have found this community. Thank you for helping to create it.
I thank God that Glenn and John have FINALLY - too late but at least genuinely - found evidence for , and believe the evidence of, the fact that George Floyd died from a drug overdose, that Derek Chauvin did not murder Floyd, that the four cops did everything by the book and tried to rescue Floyd from his own overdose, and that the media has lied, lied, lied about how Floyd died, how Chauvin and the other cops tried to save him while protecting bystanders, and what a cruel travesty was Derek Chauvin's trial and that crucial evidence that would have exonerated Chauvin was rules inadmissable by a clearly prejudiced judge. This isn't supposed to happen in America.
I admire and support, to the max, your description of how you were fooled, and how the true body cam footage from four cops was unavailable to the public for far too long, allowing the blatantly prejudiced left wing media to force upon the nation a narrative about the event that rose to the level of an Aesop's fable whose purpose was not to tell the truth but to shame us all, especially white people, into flagellating ourselves about how we just never "get" how oppressed are the black population that is incidentally responsible for the majority of violent crime, but whose victims are overwhelmingly BLACK.
This is a grotesquely unjust crime against the black victims who now seem to have no one fighting for THEIR rights to be free of violence and free of losing their children to street crime. Who are the subjects of the rhetoric of Al Sharpton, of Jesse Jackson, of Cory Booker? If these Black "leaders" cared about dead black children, why are they accusing both Blacks and whites who are working to solve these crimes, instead of the Black gangs who are creating more black victims than any war in US history?
"WASHINGTON, Nov 20 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear an appeal by former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin of his conviction for the murder of George Floyd during a 2020 arrest, which sparked widespread protests against police brutality and racism.
The justices turned away Chauvin's appeal that he filed after a Minnesota appellate court upheld his 2021 murder conviction and rejected his request for a new trial. Chauvin had argued that jury bias and certain rulings by the presiding judge deprived him of his right to a fair trial under the U.S. Constitution's Sixth Amendment."
Chavin will be spending lots of time with Pookie and Ray-ray. Poetic justice! Cops using excessive force on unarmed suspects need to be made an example of. Cops owe a duty of care in performing their jobs, especially with those in crisis. Floyd's arrest history is irrelevant to a jury's findings of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
I guess you did not view the documentary the Fall of Minneapolis. Free the Minn 4.
Did you closely research the compelling evidence that Black Panther Leader Fred Hampton was assassinated by the police?
Wikipedia: In 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identified Hampton as a radical threat. It tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation among black progressive groups and placing a counterintelligence operative in the local Panthers organization. In December 1969, Hampton was drugged,[8][9] shot and killed in his bed during a predawn raid at his Chicago apartment by a tactical unit of the Cook County State's Attorney's Office, who received aid from the Chicago Police Department and the FBI leading up to the attack. Law enforcement sprayed more than 100 gunshots throughout the apartment; the occupants fired once.[10] During the raid, Panther Mark Clark was also killed and several others were seriously wounded. In January 1970, the Cook County Coroner held an inquest; the coroner's jury concluded that Hampton's and Clark's deaths were justifiable homicides.[11][12][13][14]
A civil lawsuit was later filed on behalf of the survivors and the relatives of Hampton and Clark.[15] It was resolved in 1982 by a settlement of $1.85 million (equivalent to $5.61 million in 2022); the U.S. federal government, Cook County, and the City of Chicago each paid one-third to a group of nine plaintiffs. Given revelations about the illegal COINTELPRO program and documents associated with the killings, many scholars now consider Hampton's death at age 21, a deliberate murder, or an assassination at the FBI's initiative.[1][2][3][16][17]
Law enforcement involved in the assassination was not held accountable. Another outspoken nigger dead through COINTELPRO. COINTELPRO infiltrated all black civil rights and activist groups with disinformation. Hoover attempted to get MLK to commit suicide.
I worked in law enforcement for 34 years, witnessing plenty of law enforcement malfeasance and attempted coverups. Cops have their own culture and code of conduct, sometimes resembling street gang behavior. I've been threatened with harm to remain silent on the fuckery, especially the use of excessive force. Chavin is where he should be. He exhausted his appeals at the appellate and Supreme Courts (ultra-condervative).
Chavin will need to comply and just submit to giving up his booty during his stay--- a good deterrence for cops thinking about abusing their authority.
Anyone can make a compelling documentary convoluting facts, especially someone pro-cop. How much money is being made? The economic component?
Glenn Loury and John McWhorter, economic and linguistic professors are drama queens buck-dancing for white approval and notoriety--- lots of speculations. They’re not lawyers/prosecutors, pathologists, cops, or relevant experts in the criminal system.
Nice diversion, Monty. Irrelevant to the issue at hand even if the saintly do-gooding old Panthers were mistreated. LA Confidential was also a good movie. But no interest in sticking to the facts here? So it seems.
As a correctional counselor and manager, I had a number ex white cops on the other side of my desk like Chauvin. I usually kept a good supply of kleenex, Kotex pads, and bottles of Midol. These so-called tough guys would be kneeling on the floor crying and begging for mercy. It was quite a spectacle. Could you handle Aryans cornering you in the blunds and demanding your booty. Lol!!!!
Facts: November 2023, Reuters p- The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear an appeal by former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin of his conviction for the murder of George Floyd during a 2020 arrest, which sparked widespread protests against police brutality and racism.
The justices turned away Chauvin's appeal that he filed after a Minnesota appellate court upheld his 2021 murder conviction and rejected his request for a new trial. Chauvin had argued that jury bias and certain rulings by the presiding judge deprived him of his right to a fair trial under the U.S.
Constitution's Sixth Amendment."
Per Public Affairs Office, in a plea agreement at the federal level, Chauvin admitted that he willfully violated Mr. Floyd’s constitutional right ĺ to be deprived of liberty without due process of law, which includes an arrestee’s right to be free from a police officer’s deliberate indifference to his serious medical needs. Specifically, Chauvin admitted that he failed to render medical aid to Mr. Floyd, although he saw that Mr. Floyd was lying on the ground, in serious medical need, and although he was aware that MPD policy required him to provide emergency medical aid, including CPR, to an arrestee who needs it. Chauvin admitted that his failure to render medical aid resulted in Mr. Floyd’s bodily injury and death.
Additionally, according to the plea agreement, Chauvin admitted that on Sept. 4, 2017, he willfully violated the then-14-year-old child’s constitutional right to be free from an officer’s use of unreasonable force. Specifically, Chauvin admitted that he held the child by the throat and struck the child multiple times in the head with a flashlight, resulting in the child’s bodily injury. In the plea agreement, Chauvin also admitted that he held his knee on the child’s neck, shoulders and upper back for between 15 and 16 minutes, even though the child was face-down on the floor, handcuffed and not resisting. Chauvin admitted that these actions resulted in the child’s bodily injury.
It's a done deal. Convicted murderer and child abuser Derek Chauvin should accept his fate. Next time, give up the booty rather than being stabbed 25 times. This is poetic justice for excessive use of force by a punkass police officer. Cops owe a duty of care during the performance of their duties.
In an old case, there is compelling evidence that 21-year-old Black Panther Leader Fred Hampton was assassinated by the police with the involvement of COINTELPRO. But, no one was charged and convicted.
The police, for the most part, have their own culture and codes, just like street gangs. I worked in law enforcement for 34 years and witnessed the abuse. Staff who informed their fellow officers were threatened with bodily harm or death. There have been cases wherein fellow officers have been set up and killed by their comrades, especially black officers.
Poor Glenn Loury and John McWhorter are two drama queens hungry for notoriety and material gain. The great success of Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ibram X. Kendi constantly lived in their heada rent free. Meritorious manumission n*ggas are something else, addicted to thriving on approval and affirmation from anti-black racist white folks.
Remember the fate of the Jews who collaborated with the German Nazis?
The issue at hand, Monty, is what the film revealed. Still, no sticking to that. Lots of swagger and invective and cruelty. Not worth anyone's time.
The issue at hand is white right-wing piranhas swarming on the red meat being tossed to them. For your informatiin, I've evaluated convicted felons for prison incarceration and probation, along with giving court testimony on convicted murderers being considered for the death penalty.
hi ebcd,
sorry you're moving out of minneapolis. we're hang on as we can. a shame that so many lives have been upended by all this--with no end in sight.