The best defense of free speech in the long run is likely Tit-For-Tat. The universities have OBVIOUSLY not defended free speech by protests on the right. Therefore, we should not allow them to defend free speech on the left without consequences.
There will be no free speech as long as those in charge of academia on the left (but I repeat myself) pay no penalty for suppression of speech on the right.
As far as the universities are concerned, all that they are being asked to do is stop the intimidation and anti-Semitic treats against traditional ethic Jews who prey in Hebrew and require some sort of orthodox BarMitzvah to demonstrate memorization of at least a few fundamental psalms of the Torah.
Writing as an American Israeli, I marvel at the persistence of the red herring claim that Jewish critics of Israel face threats to their freedom of speech. From Breira in the 60s, to J Street, and Beinart (kind of in a class all his own), nobody is suppressing criticism of Israel. These critics are free to say whatever they want, and those calling them anti-Semitic are also entitled to voice their opinion. Being told you are an anti Semite is not tantamount to denying you free speech. In my opinion, Beinart reflects auto anti Semitism. He is so embarrassed by Israel's behavior because he prefers being Jewish in the Diaspora which does not require him to get his hands dirty. This is an auto immune Jewish gene which my father, the late Rabbi Jacob Chinitz, called the "Drag of Diaspora." Having lived in Israel for over forty years, the last three of them out every Saturday night protesting against the clownish evil government we have, I'll argue that many, if not most Israelis are as sad as Beinart about the destruction of Gaza, but they're more saddened by the worst day for Jews since the Holocaust. Despite the fact that thousands of Gazans, many of whom worked for peace striving Israelis who chauffeured them back and forth to work and hospitals in Israel (open air prison, give me a break) came to slaughter Jews, they differentiate between Hamas and other Gazans, though the distinction has become justifiably blurred. They can't understand why after Israel withdrew from Gaza, the Gazans didn't take advantage of the situation to build their own society. Beinart blames the denial of their rights for their violence, but no mention of fundamentalist religious based hate and the exploitation of their refugee status by maintaining it by the Arab world in a way no other refugees have been kept in their status (UNWRA is sui generis, otherwise Germans from the Sudatenland would still be in refugee camps). He blames Israel for hamstringing Saleem Fayad's attempts to build sound governance institutions for Palestinians, but neglects to mention the role of the Palestinian Authority, not to mention Hamas, in making his efforts futile. As Benny Morris recently said, the Jews spent at least 50 of the pre-state years building their institutions - parliamentary, educational, health and social services - before they got a state, and not knowing for sure they would get one. Let the Palestinians try that path. Even the most left wing Israelis, such as the late Zev Sternhall, criticized the Palestinians for not taking what they could get when they could get it, insisting on total redress of the injustices done to them in their eyes.
I could go on and on, and Beinart to my mind is a twisted lost Jewish soul. And, of course, that's only my opinion. But despite my distaste for him, I would welcome him, opinions and all, if he, and all of his friends who share his discomfit with Israel, were to move to Israel and get out on the streets with those Israelis who want Israel to change. Indeed, for a deeper dive into the real source of Israel's problems see https://davidchinitz.substack.com/p/the-jewish-peoples-dirty-little-secret-33c?r=2mop22
I am mystified that Glenn "liked" this. Perhaps it's the over-the-top comment about Israel's supposedly "clownish evil government." Other than that, this repeats observations many here have made to no avail and no sign Glenn recognizes them, let alone agrees with them. Perhaps he does. If so, there is hope.
I haven’t taken time to watch the entire episode, but if this short clip is representative… good lord, this may well go down as the worst-ever episode of The Glenn Show. Beinart is operating in extreme bad faith here.
What's happening to Mahmoud Khalil should deeply concern all patriotic Americans. As reported by outlets like the NYT and The Free Press, the US government is essentially conceding that Khahlil committed no crimes, but is instead attempting to use an obscure statute from the Immigration Act of 1952 that allows the Secretary of State to deport any non-citizen deemed to be acting contrary to the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States. In effect, the argument is that Khalil was promoting anti-Semitism and the US government has a foreign policy interest in combating such anti-Semitism around the globe. The irony is that the original intent of this statute was in part to target radical Jewish leftists deemed to be Communist sympathizers during the 1950s. How many people gleefully cheering on the deportation of Mahmoud Khalil realize that the American government is using a law with actual anti-Semitic origins to target a pro-Palestinian protester?
"The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 was debated and passed in the context of Cold War-era fears and suspicions of infiltrating Soviet and communist spies and sympathizers within American institutions and federal government. Anticommunist sentiment associated with the Second Red Scare and McCarthyism in the United States led restrictionists to push for selective immigration to preserve national security.[10] Senator Pat McCarran (D-Nevada), the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, proposed an immigration bill to maintain status quo in the United States and to safeguard the country from Communism, "Jewish interests", and undesirables that he deemed as external threats to national security.[11]"
You are looking at the wrong law. An alien can be deported for any number of reasons that do not include being convicted of a crime. See USCIS.gov under TRIG.
Khalil belongs to CUAD -its stated aim is ''fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization'', with special emphasis on destroying the U.S. and Israel. An alien can be deported for any reason for which if known, would have denied him/her entry into the U.S. Had Khalil stated that his purpose in entering the U.S. was to destroy the U.S..-he would have been denied entry. So now his Visa will be cancelled, he will be deported and rightly so.
Mahmoud Khalil is *not* an American. He is a guest here, and as condition of his entrance he promised several things under penalty of perjury; promises which he broke by engaging in highly-disruptive and destructive "protest" and spreading literature published by a designated terrorist organization that is currently holding American citizens hostage. We are under no obligation to allow him to continue to stay.
And as for the alleged twisting of the law - that kind of thing happens all the time. It's how the Civil Rights Act of 1965 had gay marriage and protections for "transgendered" individuals read into it, when it's crystal clear that no-one who voted on that law intended it to be read that way. If one faction gets to creatively interpret prior law to smuggle in their preferred policy outcomes, then other factions will do the same thing when they're in power. Sauce for the goose and gander, and all that.
Are people calling for censorship and to ban peaceful legal protests? 1a does not protect against threats of imminent violence, assault, trespassing, kidnapping, destruction of property, etc.. So if we are talking about a professor's syllabus content, or a student's paper, an organized peaceful protest in the quad, etc. then I'm concerned about free speech. If we are talking about building take overs, autonomous zones, dragging people from cars, firebombing, assaulting passerbys, trapping people against their will, etc. I'm not concerned about free speech. Those rioters and arguably terrorists by the legal definition deserve to see actual consequences for their actions.
Disrupting classes and taking over a school.library is beyond free speech. Praising the atrocities of Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization calling for the annihilation of the one Jewish state is in addition to the disruptions. If there were students in the Ku Klux Klan wearing their hoods and robes marching through hallways, disrupting classes on Black history and student Klan members occupied the college library, those students I'm sure would be expelled immediately with everyone's support. Different standard for Jew-haters!
You and others on this Substack misunderstand the other side. If protestors crossed the line, no one is saying that there shouldn't be consequences. As I stated in prior comments, if Khalil violated university conduct policies, Columbia should've meted out appropriate punishment. And if he committed any criminal acts, he should be charged and if convicted sentenced accordingly.
However nothing that I'm aware of which transpired justifies ICE disappearing a permanent resident and attempting to deport them. In fact, the government isn't even alleging any criminal wrongdoing by Khalil. In effect they're invoking an obscure statute with actual anti-Semitic origins in an attempt to deport Mahmoud for the "crime" of anti-Semitism. Whereas radical BLM activists tried to criminalize anti-Black racism during the George Floyd riots, the Israel First types appear to have succeeded in co-opting this administration to criminalize one very specific type of bigotry.
MD is just a clueless Mossad spy who knows nothing about American law or society. Deport him back to Israel immediately. You’ll be much happier back there my friend.
Hmm, you refer to me with a racial slur, but cry about "anti-Semitism". Careful you don't get yourself banned from this Substack for being unable to engage in civilized discourse.
There is a difference between a slur gaining a nationality and one against a race. If you knew English this would not confuse your little Chinese commie brain.
Your standard holds federal action hostage to the discretion of Columbia college administrators and local prosecutors. It's unworkable and doesn't actually engage with the substance of the (admittedly infrequently-enforced) law. The dereliction of duty by prior administrations does not amount to a repeal of the law, nor should it prevent a new and conscientious administration from actually doing what it's supposed to.
Khalil belongs to a group called CUAD- Columbia University Apartheid Divestment which formalized its support for Hamas in Oct., 2024 and celebrated the anniversary of the Oct. 7, 2023 massacre. There is a law which allows deportation of aliens who support terrorism and terrorists and/or belong to groups that support terrorism. This seems to be what Khalil has done. He was also a leader in the school encampment that took over a large area of the campus which was a ''Zionist- free zone'' which excluded Jews. He'll get his day in court and if he loses- bye-bye.
Laws that forbid Americans from supporting terrorist organizations make it clear that the support must be material in nature. As the NYT and others have pointed out, there's no evidence that Khalil was in direct contact with Hamas, gave money to them or took orders from the group. In fact, even the government isn't alleging that Khalil did anything criminal. As objectionable as it might be, people are allowed to shout at the top of their lungs how great Hamas is and how awesome October 7th was.
The law that Khalil, an alien, violated does not apply to American citizens, it only applies to aliens. The law allows deportation of any alien who is a representative of a group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to do the same or who supports a terrorist organization. The scope of this law is very broad- it was broadened after 9/11 and aliens are only given a hearing before a judge, not a trial. The support does not have to be financial nor does the alien have to commit a crime to be deported. The laws for U.S. citizens regarding supporting terrorists do require crimes to be committed and material support but those aren't the laws that apply to deportation of aliens.
Let's justify one wrong with another. Makes total sense. Instead of adhering to principles that all of us can agree to, let's just let whichever group is in control dictate to the rest of us how we can think, live and act.
Khalil can be deported for distributing literature that supports terrorism, helping to set up tents, or providing food while endorsing terrorism. Any activity for which an alien would be denied entry, an alien can be be deported. These laws do not apply to American citizens, only to aliens.
He also deprived Jews and others on campus of their civil rights- both a Federal and a NY State violation. With any luck he'll do a stint in prison, then off to wherever he came from- I believe it's wonderful, fabulous Syria where he can shout at the top of his lungs how great Hamas is and distribute falafel sandwiches to his heart's content.
Yeah, I used to believe that. But how 'reasonable' should the Jews have been with Nazis?
"Instead of adhering to principles that all of us can agree to,..." There are no principles that we all adhere to. I'm honest when I encounter honest people. I am fair when I encounter fair people. And I am intolerant when I encounter progressives, because they are intolerant. If they want to be considered with respect and compassion, they're going to have to be respectful and compassionate.
Do you see Pelosi, Garland, Hilary, Biden, AOC, Maxine Waters as being respectful and considerate? They have all been willing participants in the banana republic attempted bloodless coup of Trump. For all the horseshit politics that have happened in this country since the beginning, THAT has not happened until progressives decided that they needed to get rid of Trump and his supporters, and it didn't matter how they did it. Trump has yet to do anything that progressives haven't already done.
The best defense of free speech in the long run is likely Tit-For-Tat. The universities have OBVIOUSLY not defended free speech by protests on the right. Therefore, we should not allow them to defend free speech on the left without consequences.
There will be no free speech as long as those in charge of academia on the left (but I repeat myself) pay no penalty for suppression of speech on the right.
As far as the universities are concerned, all that they are being asked to do is stop the intimidation and anti-Semitic treats against traditional ethic Jews who prey in Hebrew and require some sort of orthodox BarMitzvah to demonstrate memorization of at least a few fundamental psalms of the Torah.
Protest is our right. Property destruction and personal injury are not. Why is that so hard to understand?
Writing as an American Israeli, I marvel at the persistence of the red herring claim that Jewish critics of Israel face threats to their freedom of speech. From Breira in the 60s, to J Street, and Beinart (kind of in a class all his own), nobody is suppressing criticism of Israel. These critics are free to say whatever they want, and those calling them anti-Semitic are also entitled to voice their opinion. Being told you are an anti Semite is not tantamount to denying you free speech. In my opinion, Beinart reflects auto anti Semitism. He is so embarrassed by Israel's behavior because he prefers being Jewish in the Diaspora which does not require him to get his hands dirty. This is an auto immune Jewish gene which my father, the late Rabbi Jacob Chinitz, called the "Drag of Diaspora." Having lived in Israel for over forty years, the last three of them out every Saturday night protesting against the clownish evil government we have, I'll argue that many, if not most Israelis are as sad as Beinart about the destruction of Gaza, but they're more saddened by the worst day for Jews since the Holocaust. Despite the fact that thousands of Gazans, many of whom worked for peace striving Israelis who chauffeured them back and forth to work and hospitals in Israel (open air prison, give me a break) came to slaughter Jews, they differentiate between Hamas and other Gazans, though the distinction has become justifiably blurred. They can't understand why after Israel withdrew from Gaza, the Gazans didn't take advantage of the situation to build their own society. Beinart blames the denial of their rights for their violence, but no mention of fundamentalist religious based hate and the exploitation of their refugee status by maintaining it by the Arab world in a way no other refugees have been kept in their status (UNWRA is sui generis, otherwise Germans from the Sudatenland would still be in refugee camps). He blames Israel for hamstringing Saleem Fayad's attempts to build sound governance institutions for Palestinians, but neglects to mention the role of the Palestinian Authority, not to mention Hamas, in making his efforts futile. As Benny Morris recently said, the Jews spent at least 50 of the pre-state years building their institutions - parliamentary, educational, health and social services - before they got a state, and not knowing for sure they would get one. Let the Palestinians try that path. Even the most left wing Israelis, such as the late Zev Sternhall, criticized the Palestinians for not taking what they could get when they could get it, insisting on total redress of the injustices done to them in their eyes.
I could go on and on, and Beinart to my mind is a twisted lost Jewish soul. And, of course, that's only my opinion. But despite my distaste for him, I would welcome him, opinions and all, if he, and all of his friends who share his discomfit with Israel, were to move to Israel and get out on the streets with those Israelis who want Israel to change. Indeed, for a deeper dive into the real source of Israel's problems see https://davidchinitz.substack.com/p/the-jewish-peoples-dirty-little-secret-33c?r=2mop22
I am mystified that Glenn "liked" this. Perhaps it's the over-the-top comment about Israel's supposedly "clownish evil government." Other than that, this repeats observations many here have made to no avail and no sign Glenn recognizes them, let alone agrees with them. Perhaps he does. If so, there is hope.
I haven’t taken time to watch the entire episode, but if this short clip is representative… good lord, this may well go down as the worst-ever episode of The Glenn Show. Beinart is operating in extreme bad faith here.
What's happening to Mahmoud Khalil should deeply concern all patriotic Americans. As reported by outlets like the NYT and The Free Press, the US government is essentially conceding that Khahlil committed no crimes, but is instead attempting to use an obscure statute from the Immigration Act of 1952 that allows the Secretary of State to deport any non-citizen deemed to be acting contrary to the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States. In effect, the argument is that Khalil was promoting anti-Semitism and the US government has a foreign policy interest in combating such anti-Semitism around the globe. The irony is that the original intent of this statute was in part to target radical Jewish leftists deemed to be Communist sympathizers during the 1950s. How many people gleefully cheering on the deportation of Mahmoud Khalil realize that the American government is using a law with actual anti-Semitic origins to target a pro-Palestinian protester?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1952#Legislative_history
"The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 was debated and passed in the context of Cold War-era fears and suspicions of infiltrating Soviet and communist spies and sympathizers within American institutions and federal government. Anticommunist sentiment associated with the Second Red Scare and McCarthyism in the United States led restrictionists to push for selective immigration to preserve national security.[10] Senator Pat McCarran (D-Nevada), the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, proposed an immigration bill to maintain status quo in the United States and to safeguard the country from Communism, "Jewish interests", and undesirables that he deemed as external threats to national security.[11]"
You are looking at the wrong law. An alien can be deported for any number of reasons that do not include being convicted of a crime. See USCIS.gov under TRIG.
Khalil belongs to CUAD -its stated aim is ''fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization'', with special emphasis on destroying the U.S. and Israel. An alien can be deported for any reason for which if known, would have denied him/her entry into the U.S. Had Khalil stated that his purpose in entering the U.S. was to destroy the U.S..-he would have been denied entry. So now his Visa will be cancelled, he will be deported and rightly so.
Mahmoud Khalil is *not* an American. He is a guest here, and as condition of his entrance he promised several things under penalty of perjury; promises which he broke by engaging in highly-disruptive and destructive "protest" and spreading literature published by a designated terrorist organization that is currently holding American citizens hostage. We are under no obligation to allow him to continue to stay.
And as for the alleged twisting of the law - that kind of thing happens all the time. It's how the Civil Rights Act of 1965 had gay marriage and protections for "transgendered" individuals read into it, when it's crystal clear that no-one who voted on that law intended it to be read that way. If one faction gets to creatively interpret prior law to smuggle in their preferred policy outcomes, then other factions will do the same thing when they're in power. Sauce for the goose and gander, and all that.
Yen Shen is obviously a Chinese spy.
Are people calling for censorship and to ban peaceful legal protests? 1a does not protect against threats of imminent violence, assault, trespassing, kidnapping, destruction of property, etc.. So if we are talking about a professor's syllabus content, or a student's paper, an organized peaceful protest in the quad, etc. then I'm concerned about free speech. If we are talking about building take overs, autonomous zones, dragging people from cars, firebombing, assaulting passerbys, trapping people against their will, etc. I'm not concerned about free speech. Those rioters and arguably terrorists by the legal definition deserve to see actual consequences for their actions.
Disrupting classes and taking over a school.library is beyond free speech. Praising the atrocities of Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization calling for the annihilation of the one Jewish state is in addition to the disruptions. If there were students in the Ku Klux Klan wearing their hoods and robes marching through hallways, disrupting classes on Black history and student Klan members occupied the college library, those students I'm sure would be expelled immediately with everyone's support. Different standard for Jew-haters!
You and others on this Substack misunderstand the other side. If protestors crossed the line, no one is saying that there shouldn't be consequences. As I stated in prior comments, if Khalil violated university conduct policies, Columbia should've meted out appropriate punishment. And if he committed any criminal acts, he should be charged and if convicted sentenced accordingly.
However nothing that I'm aware of which transpired justifies ICE disappearing a permanent resident and attempting to deport them. In fact, the government isn't even alleging any criminal wrongdoing by Khalil. In effect they're invoking an obscure statute with actual anti-Semitic origins in an attempt to deport Mahmoud for the "crime" of anti-Semitism. Whereas radical BLM activists tried to criminalize anti-Black racism during the George Floyd riots, the Israel First types appear to have succeeded in co-opting this administration to criminalize one very specific type of bigotry.
Yan Shan is just a clueless Chinese spy who knows nothing of American law or society. Deport him immediately.
MD is just a clueless Mossad spy who knows nothing about American law or society. Deport him back to Israel immediately. You’ll be much happier back there my friend.
Not only is Yan Shen a stinking chink spy , but a antisemitic Nazi loser to boot. It’s a mystery what produces such dementia.
By the way, don't ever refer to me with a racial slur again, whether online or in person. That's no good, buddy.
By the other way, don’t ever challenge my American freedom of speech, chink fuckhead that you are.
Hmm, you refer to me with a racial slur, but cry about "anti-Semitism". Careful you don't get yourself banned from this Substack for being unable to engage in civilized discourse.
There is a difference between a slur gaining a nationality and one against a race. If you knew English this would not confuse your little Chinese commie brain.
Your standard holds federal action hostage to the discretion of Columbia college administrators and local prosecutors. It's unworkable and doesn't actually engage with the substance of the (admittedly infrequently-enforced) law. The dereliction of duty by prior administrations does not amount to a repeal of the law, nor should it prevent a new and conscientious administration from actually doing what it's supposed to.
Maybe green card and visa holders should keep their noses clean until they lock it in.
Khalil belongs to a group called CUAD- Columbia University Apartheid Divestment which formalized its support for Hamas in Oct., 2024 and celebrated the anniversary of the Oct. 7, 2023 massacre. There is a law which allows deportation of aliens who support terrorism and terrorists and/or belong to groups that support terrorism. This seems to be what Khalil has done. He was also a leader in the school encampment that took over a large area of the campus which was a ''Zionist- free zone'' which excluded Jews. He'll get his day in court and if he loses- bye-bye.
Laws that forbid Americans from supporting terrorist organizations make it clear that the support must be material in nature. As the NYT and others have pointed out, there's no evidence that Khalil was in direct contact with Hamas, gave money to them or took orders from the group. In fact, even the government isn't alleging that Khalil did anything criminal. As objectionable as it might be, people are allowed to shout at the top of their lungs how great Hamas is and how awesome October 7th was.
The law that Khalil, an alien, violated does not apply to American citizens, it only applies to aliens. The law allows deportation of any alien who is a representative of a group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to do the same or who supports a terrorist organization. The scope of this law is very broad- it was broadened after 9/11 and aliens are only given a hearing before a judge, not a trial. The support does not have to be financial nor does the alien have to commit a crime to be deported. The laws for U.S. citizens regarding supporting terrorists do require crimes to be committed and material support but those aren't the laws that apply to deportation of aliens.
But apparently people are not free to question COVID vaccines, the 2020 election, or DOJ persecution under Merrick Garland.
I used to be reasonable. Now, I reject any and all progressive idiotology and talking points. I don't care if they get arrested and persecuted.
I'll continue to be reasonable with reasonable people.
Let's justify one wrong with another. Makes total sense. Instead of adhering to principles that all of us can agree to, let's just let whichever group is in control dictate to the rest of us how we can think, live and act.
Yes, tit-for-tat is a workable game-theoretic equilibrium.
Khalil can be deported for distributing literature that supports terrorism, helping to set up tents, or providing food while endorsing terrorism. Any activity for which an alien would be denied entry, an alien can be be deported. These laws do not apply to American citizens, only to aliens.
He also deprived Jews and others on campus of their civil rights- both a Federal and a NY State violation. With any luck he'll do a stint in prison, then off to wherever he came from- I believe it's wonderful, fabulous Syria where he can shout at the top of his lungs how great Hamas is and distribute falafel sandwiches to his heart's content.
Yeah, I used to believe that. But how 'reasonable' should the Jews have been with Nazis?
"Instead of adhering to principles that all of us can agree to,..." There are no principles that we all adhere to. I'm honest when I encounter honest people. I am fair when I encounter fair people. And I am intolerant when I encounter progressives, because they are intolerant. If they want to be considered with respect and compassion, they're going to have to be respectful and compassionate.
Do you see Pelosi, Garland, Hilary, Biden, AOC, Maxine Waters as being respectful and considerate? They have all been willing participants in the banana republic attempted bloodless coup of Trump. For all the horseshit politics that have happened in this country since the beginning, THAT has not happened until progressives decided that they needed to get rid of Trump and his supporters, and it didn't matter how they did it. Trump has yet to do anything that progressives haven't already done.