I thought the Tucker interview was excellent. I am not a fan of Tucker's journalism. It's polarizing and often lacks integrity. Glenn was right in his last podcast with John, Tucker stayed out of his way. He allowed Glenn to speak on his life and left the "gotcha!" type questions off the script. I wonder if Glenn discussed his apprehensions with Tucker prior to the episode. I would have liked to see them discuss more of what Glenn & John discuss, but after seeing this interview I watched Tucker's Jordan Peterson interview along with the Charles Murray interview. I like this version of Tucker better. Long form interviews are great.
Glenn, you are courageous in ways that John is not. He is still kind of stuck in the area where he doesn't think whites are overtly dangerous to blacks but whites are blindly and stupidly racist. This experience of yours with Tucker Carlson is why I am continually glad I support you. You go into areas other blacks won't go, or won't go without a pretty big pre-judgement about what they will expect to find about white ignorance regarding blacks, and so they see what they expected to see. You don't do that. Thank you. Bless you.
Has anyone read Murray's book yet? I finished it this morning. I've also caught some of the early reaction from the Woke crowd. Predictable and depressing. Mostly they ascribe to Murray views he doesn't hold and then attack his character over them.
Although IQ tests are incredibly predictive -- for ALL groups -- the Woke persist in saying they measure nothing. Or that the tests are biased. How, I don't know, because some simple tests require nothing more than recall of numbers or words. It would be nice if they would at least skim the book before opining.
I'll save the rest of my comments for next Monday.
I'm going through it a second time. Looking forward to Glenn's discussion with Murray next Monday.
He basically says here are 2 clear observations supported by the weight of the best data available analyzed as rigorously and transparently as he can. Then he discusses a number of effects/consequences of the observations. He invites the reader to challenge his analyses. I think his message is "deal with it or don't at your peril".
I haven't seen the Tucker interview, and probably won't even watch it, but I'm so very encouraged to see that Mr. Loury and Mr. McWhorter and Mr. Carlson all have the real perspective of what white-image really is: nothing. There is no societal thing that I associate with my paleness, and no thing I would want to defend as if we are Knights Templar for it. I have to disagree though with the fear that focusing on "white-identity" will stir up a lot of racial fear and loathing. At least from what I've seen in discussion boards and the like, I don't think that much if any animosity is going beyond fear and loathing of the left, instead of onto the skin tone of the leftist. May God quickly bring the day when skin tone means absolutely nothing for every person.
Tucker has raised class issues affecting young blacks and whites that I have not heard from any other media person. These issues unite and need to be brought to national attention. See
Tucker Carlson calls out Republicans over student loan debt ...https://www.foxnews.com › media › tucker-carlson-calls-...
Jan 31, 2020 — Tucker: Student debt shaping basic life decisions ... We can make colleges responsible for loans that default. Tucker Carlson called on Republican ...
Young people with student loans... - Tucker Carlson Tonight ...https://www.facebook.com › posts › young-people-with...
Young people with student loans are far less likely to buy cars or homes, get married or have children than their parents' generation was. Their...
Mar 19, 2019 — TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: America's collective student loan debt now stands at more than $1.5 trillion dollars. That's more than the ...
Student debt is high because government Pell grants encouraged colleges to raise their tuition, since government is paying for so many. But the high prices then also have to be paid by students who don't qualify for grants, and many of them took out loans for studies in areas in which they will never earn enough to pay them back - this is ignorance and or an unrealistic sense of entitlement .
Glenn, what you say about a coming backlash if whites are forced to start thinking of themselves a white first and everything else afterwards is something Rod Dreher has also been warning/ writing about for several years. And you both have a point! I am not as prone to fear as Rod is, so I don't automatically buy everything he warns about, but it's hard to argue against the idea that young white men, in particular, could well start feeling more and more backed into a corner because they're "white men"..... That could very well lead the culture into places nobody wants it to go.
My skin is white more or less though I am seeing more and more dark purple/black spots on my arms and face as the inevitable effects of aging take their toll. I do not think of myself as white and regularly refuse to answer that question when asked in questionnaires either medical or sociological. I identify as an American male with Jewish ancestry and, as Billy Joel put it, a New York frame of mind even though I left NY for good 50 years ago and wouldn't go back if you paid me.. If I were asked to list 10 adjectives that describe me, "white" would not be one. Robin DeAngelo, Ibram X. Kendi and the rest of the CRT focused DEI consultants be damned.
There is no way in hell that I will become part of a reactionary coalition of similarly low melanin types. Can a White identity metastasize? I don't know, but I doubt it.
What I will do is seek out and support people like Glenn, Chris Rufo, Bob Woodson, Eli and Shelby Steele, FAIR, NAS, Tom Sowell, Charles Murray (I finished his new book and have started my second go through in preparation for next Monday's podcast) and others who work to support the creed of the American founding and work to continue to make the American dream everyone's reality. I will also vote for candidates for public office who are committed to equality for all and understand that equity is not a rational goal. Candidates who are committed to reigning in failed housing, educational and affirmative action policies of the past and candidates who understand and are committed to the defense of our Nation.
When Mark Lamont Hill interviewed Christopher Rufo a few weeks back, he asked Chris, “What do you like about being white?” Chris answered that he didn’t think of himself as white. I saw several black commenters—including from right-of-center—make fun of Chris. But I reacted the same way to Hill’s question—not because I think that I’m *not* white, but because I simply never think about my skin color as being one of my salient features. It’s a shame to encourage people to start thinking along those lines—not because white people will suddenly all become White Supremacists—but because it’s shutting down the possibility of creating unselfconscious friendships between people of various shades.
I enjoyed the ten minute clip I saw over here in the UK. You appeared a bit nervous at first but soon relaxed and put your case well.
The problem which you articulate has long been a concern of mine. Guilt tripping only works so far. I say this as someone who converted to Roman Catholicism.
After you have told them and told them that they are wicked without any hope of redemption, they might believe it and start to act on it.
Also people tend to be v protective of their children and wish them to advance. They know their own failings but start dissing their children...
CRT does seem to build silos in a major way and that is not good for a cohesive society and does not actually begin to deal with the tremendous problems and societal pressures caused by de-industrialisation and the entrapment (if you will) of many in dead end jobs.
Thank you for going on. Hopefully you will have opened a few minds up.
CRT has escaped the lab of the university and is now mutating in our culture in unexpected and unintended ways. So important that you talked about the danger of bolstering white identity with Tucker at length. It seems like a consequence of encultured aspects of “CRT’ (in quotes because there are any number of definitions floating about, but how it is changing laws and norms in destructive ways for all of us is what matters most at this moment). I think the point of exploring “whiteness” has had SOME value for the white people I know who are earnestly guided by the doctrines put forth by D’Angelo and Kendi etc. I reject much of CRT at this point, but there has been some value for me, too. Learning that our Black friends navigate both being Black and being in a Euro-centric dominant culture at the same time is useful for creating empathy and understanding, for expanding ideas about culture. That is always a good thing! It is the reason I sought out and started listening to you and John over a year ago, because some Black activist told me to "listen to Black people." Hearing our Black friends tell us what it means for them as individuals to be who they are, including being Black, has benefitted and enlightened me. Since BLM erupted in the culture, I heard stories from these friends they never felt comfortable sharing before, stories that brought us closer and helped us grow and learn. Even examining “white privilege” such as it sometimes exists, can be helpful to a minor degree: as a process of knowing oneself in relation to others, expanding a sense of tolerance and empathy. Not as the merciless and dreary power lens that so much of postmodernist thinking has wielded, with the activist elements demanding that the power relationships be forcibly inverted and that we all remain trapped in “identity” like flies in amber. This is so dangerous! Not only is the creation of and bolstering of of a “white identity” terrible and even ominous for minorities, as you point out. It is also bad for white people because it fosters an unhealthy and obsessive sense of victimhood, and it is psychologically and spiritually limiting. It's bad for all of us.
Robin Di Angelo & her chum Ibrahm Kendi have together made white Americans far more aware of their 'white culture' than ever before. How could it not? When disparagement of 'white' occurs daily, it does make you think, why do I appreciate and actually embrace my whiteness. If being patriotic, disciplined, not inclined to violence & shooting, to love to read & learn, to practice politeness, to not cancel everyone that 'triggers' you for the most minor infraction, to strive to be healthy (yes - thin!) & cheerful, to honor family and respect parents, to get married and to have children in wedlock, to strive for accomplishment (and yes, even perfection!) - if this is what 'whiteness' is and means, I say bring it on. Never before have I ever thought of my fabulous 'whiteness' than when prompted by the current moment : )
I think a big problem is what one blogger called "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry Broad," riffing on Robin de Angelo (channeling Jonathan Edwards). Today I saw a woman announcing "I won't teach Spanish anymore--because I'm white." She thought of her whiteness as an evil influence, apparently, on children wanting to learn Spanish. One can't make this stuff up, but will there come a time when earnest people like that think they've been hoodwinked? If you're saying their next step will be to go to the opposite extreme and froth at the mouth with racism, I hope you're wrong.
Hi Glen, new here and only recently discovering your work (last 3-4 months, forgive me), but this is a very good and important point and you've expressed in a very clear and serious manner. I've had this growing feeling that this mentality is starting to grow and it's quite scary because once people start to believe it all the people pushing this kind of white fragility will be looked at as prophets or something. I've always kind of considered myself as an Irish-American and, more recently, an Orthodox Christian, but have never considered any of these things beyond a cultural heritage and have never thought of doing something for the advancement of my white race. To promote these ideas 20 years would have been laughable and fallen on deaf ears. I've always pushed those ideas to a fringe group of people that wear white hoods and meet in secret, but now supposedly it's creeping up all around us. Any suggestions on how to bring this subject up to my loved ones without getting into an argument?
In all fairness, while you're right that no one outside of America thinks of MJ or Ali in that way, it's virtually inescapable within the US today. That is the design of and the impetus for Critical "Race" Theory, and it is despicable for that reason.
Thank you for having the courage to say things the Left would ban us from acknowledging, namely, the long and diverse history of the practice of slavery and how slavery still exists in some parts of the world.
Sorry to nitpick, but while this is a true statement: "Not everyone can succeed in a not very free market environment," this is not true: "Without offering a good education with competent & caring teachers, no one can pull themselves up by their bootstraps." I've known poorly educated and even illiterate people who have succeeded very well with just a few simple but valuable skills, e.g. plumbers and electricians.
I thought the Tucker interview was excellent. I am not a fan of Tucker's journalism. It's polarizing and often lacks integrity. Glenn was right in his last podcast with John, Tucker stayed out of his way. He allowed Glenn to speak on his life and left the "gotcha!" type questions off the script. I wonder if Glenn discussed his apprehensions with Tucker prior to the episode. I would have liked to see them discuss more of what Glenn & John discuss, but after seeing this interview I watched Tucker's Jordan Peterson interview along with the Charles Murray interview. I like this version of Tucker better. Long form interviews are great.
Glenn, you are courageous in ways that John is not. He is still kind of stuck in the area where he doesn't think whites are overtly dangerous to blacks but whites are blindly and stupidly racist. This experience of yours with Tucker Carlson is why I am continually glad I support you. You go into areas other blacks won't go, or won't go without a pretty big pre-judgement about what they will expect to find about white ignorance regarding blacks, and so they see what they expected to see. You don't do that. Thank you. Bless you.
Has anyone read Murray's book yet? I finished it this morning. I've also caught some of the early reaction from the Woke crowd. Predictable and depressing. Mostly they ascribe to Murray views he doesn't hold and then attack his character over them.
Although IQ tests are incredibly predictive -- for ALL groups -- the Woke persist in saying they measure nothing. Or that the tests are biased. How, I don't know, because some simple tests require nothing more than recall of numbers or words. It would be nice if they would at least skim the book before opining.
I'll save the rest of my comments for next Monday.
I'm going through it a second time. Looking forward to Glenn's discussion with Murray next Monday.
He basically says here are 2 clear observations supported by the weight of the best data available analyzed as rigorously and transparently as he can. Then he discusses a number of effects/consequences of the observations. He invites the reader to challenge his analyses. I think his message is "deal with it or don't at your peril".
I haven't seen the Tucker interview, and probably won't even watch it, but I'm so very encouraged to see that Mr. Loury and Mr. McWhorter and Mr. Carlson all have the real perspective of what white-image really is: nothing. There is no societal thing that I associate with my paleness, and no thing I would want to defend as if we are Knights Templar for it. I have to disagree though with the fear that focusing on "white-identity" will stir up a lot of racial fear and loathing. At least from what I've seen in discussion boards and the like, I don't think that much if any animosity is going beyond fear and loathing of the left, instead of onto the skin tone of the leftist. May God quickly bring the day when skin tone means absolutely nothing for every person.
Tucker has raised class issues affecting young blacks and whites that I have not heard from any other media person. These issues unite and need to be brought to national attention. See
Tucker Carlson calls out Republicans over student loan debt ...https://www.foxnews.com › media › tucker-carlson-calls-...
Jan 31, 2020 — Tucker: Student debt shaping basic life decisions ... We can make colleges responsible for loans that default. Tucker Carlson called on Republican ...
Young people with student loans... - Tucker Carlson Tonight ...https://www.facebook.com › posts › young-people-with...
Young people with student loans are far less likely to buy cars or homes, get married or have children than their parents' generation was. Their...
Tucker Carlson: Colleges Should Share Liability Of Student ...https://www.realclearpolitics.com › video › 2019/03/19
Mar 19, 2019 — TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: America's collective student loan debt now stands at more than $1.5 trillion dollars. That's more than the ...
Student debt is high because government Pell grants encouraged colleges to raise their tuition, since government is paying for so many. But the high prices then also have to be paid by students who don't qualify for grants, and many of them took out loans for studies in areas in which they will never earn enough to pay them back - this is ignorance and or an unrealistic sense of entitlement .
Glenn, what you say about a coming backlash if whites are forced to start thinking of themselves a white first and everything else afterwards is something Rod Dreher has also been warning/ writing about for several years. And you both have a point! I am not as prone to fear as Rod is, so I don't automatically buy everything he warns about, but it's hard to argue against the idea that young white men, in particular, could well start feeling more and more backed into a corner because they're "white men"..... That could very well lead the culture into places nobody wants it to go.
My skin is white more or less though I am seeing more and more dark purple/black spots on my arms and face as the inevitable effects of aging take their toll. I do not think of myself as white and regularly refuse to answer that question when asked in questionnaires either medical or sociological. I identify as an American male with Jewish ancestry and, as Billy Joel put it, a New York frame of mind even though I left NY for good 50 years ago and wouldn't go back if you paid me.. If I were asked to list 10 adjectives that describe me, "white" would not be one. Robin DeAngelo, Ibram X. Kendi and the rest of the CRT focused DEI consultants be damned.
There is no way in hell that I will become part of a reactionary coalition of similarly low melanin types. Can a White identity metastasize? I don't know, but I doubt it.
What I will do is seek out and support people like Glenn, Chris Rufo, Bob Woodson, Eli and Shelby Steele, FAIR, NAS, Tom Sowell, Charles Murray (I finished his new book and have started my second go through in preparation for next Monday's podcast) and others who work to support the creed of the American founding and work to continue to make the American dream everyone's reality. I will also vote for candidates for public office who are committed to equality for all and understand that equity is not a rational goal. Candidates who are committed to reigning in failed housing, educational and affirmative action policies of the past and candidates who understand and are committed to the defense of our Nation.
I also refuse to answer the Race question, glad that others do this too. If it's a mandatory response, I check Other.
When Mark Lamont Hill interviewed Christopher Rufo a few weeks back, he asked Chris, “What do you like about being white?” Chris answered that he didn’t think of himself as white. I saw several black commenters—including from right-of-center—make fun of Chris. But I reacted the same way to Hill’s question—not because I think that I’m *not* white, but because I simply never think about my skin color as being one of my salient features. It’s a shame to encourage people to start thinking along those lines—not because white people will suddenly all become White Supremacists—but because it’s shutting down the possibility of creating unselfconscious friendships between people of various shades.
I enjoyed the ten minute clip I saw over here in the UK. You appeared a bit nervous at first but soon relaxed and put your case well.
The problem which you articulate has long been a concern of mine. Guilt tripping only works so far. I say this as someone who converted to Roman Catholicism.
After you have told them and told them that they are wicked without any hope of redemption, they might believe it and start to act on it.
Also people tend to be v protective of their children and wish them to advance. They know their own failings but start dissing their children...
CRT does seem to build silos in a major way and that is not good for a cohesive society and does not actually begin to deal with the tremendous problems and societal pressures caused by de-industrialisation and the entrapment (if you will) of many in dead end jobs.
Thank you for going on. Hopefully you will have opened a few minds up.
"Hopefully you will have opened a few minds up" -- Soon this series will be finished, and if you read it -- you will have your answer to that question: https://onevoicebecametwo.life/2021/05/18/two-sides-of-the-same-counterfeit-coin-part-1/
Tucker has people with a wide range of ideas on his show all the time.
It never ceases to amaze me that people are surprised that Tucker lets people talk.
Watch his show. It is not at all like what twitter claims.
CRT has escaped the lab of the university and is now mutating in our culture in unexpected and unintended ways. So important that you talked about the danger of bolstering white identity with Tucker at length. It seems like a consequence of encultured aspects of “CRT’ (in quotes because there are any number of definitions floating about, but how it is changing laws and norms in destructive ways for all of us is what matters most at this moment). I think the point of exploring “whiteness” has had SOME value for the white people I know who are earnestly guided by the doctrines put forth by D’Angelo and Kendi etc. I reject much of CRT at this point, but there has been some value for me, too. Learning that our Black friends navigate both being Black and being in a Euro-centric dominant culture at the same time is useful for creating empathy and understanding, for expanding ideas about culture. That is always a good thing! It is the reason I sought out and started listening to you and John over a year ago, because some Black activist told me to "listen to Black people." Hearing our Black friends tell us what it means for them as individuals to be who they are, including being Black, has benefitted and enlightened me. Since BLM erupted in the culture, I heard stories from these friends they never felt comfortable sharing before, stories that brought us closer and helped us grow and learn. Even examining “white privilege” such as it sometimes exists, can be helpful to a minor degree: as a process of knowing oneself in relation to others, expanding a sense of tolerance and empathy. Not as the merciless and dreary power lens that so much of postmodernist thinking has wielded, with the activist elements demanding that the power relationships be forcibly inverted and that we all remain trapped in “identity” like flies in amber. This is so dangerous! Not only is the creation of and bolstering of of a “white identity” terrible and even ominous for minorities, as you point out. It is also bad for white people because it fosters an unhealthy and obsessive sense of victimhood, and it is psychologically and spiritually limiting. It's bad for all of us.
Robin Di Angelo & her chum Ibrahm Kendi have together made white Americans far more aware of their 'white culture' than ever before. How could it not? When disparagement of 'white' occurs daily, it does make you think, why do I appreciate and actually embrace my whiteness. If being patriotic, disciplined, not inclined to violence & shooting, to love to read & learn, to practice politeness, to not cancel everyone that 'triggers' you for the most minor infraction, to strive to be healthy (yes - thin!) & cheerful, to honor family and respect parents, to get married and to have children in wedlock, to strive for accomplishment (and yes, even perfection!) - if this is what 'whiteness' is and means, I say bring it on. Never before have I ever thought of my fabulous 'whiteness' than when prompted by the current moment : )
I think a big problem is what one blogger called "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry Broad," riffing on Robin de Angelo (channeling Jonathan Edwards). Today I saw a woman announcing "I won't teach Spanish anymore--because I'm white." She thought of her whiteness as an evil influence, apparently, on children wanting to learn Spanish. One can't make this stuff up, but will there come a time when earnest people like that think they've been hoodwinked? If you're saying their next step will be to go to the opposite extreme and froth at the mouth with racism, I hope you're wrong.
Hi Glen, new here and only recently discovering your work (last 3-4 months, forgive me), but this is a very good and important point and you've expressed in a very clear and serious manner. I've had this growing feeling that this mentality is starting to grow and it's quite scary because once people start to believe it all the people pushing this kind of white fragility will be looked at as prophets or something. I've always kind of considered myself as an Irish-American and, more recently, an Orthodox Christian, but have never considered any of these things beyond a cultural heritage and have never thought of doing something for the advancement of my white race. To promote these ideas 20 years would have been laughable and fallen on deaf ears. I've always pushed those ideas to a fringe group of people that wear white hoods and meet in secret, but now supposedly it's creeping up all around us. Any suggestions on how to bring this subject up to my loved ones without getting into an argument?
In all fairness, while you're right that no one outside of America thinks of MJ or Ali in that way, it's virtually inescapable within the US today. That is the design of and the impetus for Critical "Race" Theory, and it is despicable for that reason.
Thank you for having the courage to say things the Left would ban us from acknowledging, namely, the long and diverse history of the practice of slavery and how slavery still exists in some parts of the world.
Sorry to nitpick, but while this is a true statement: "Not everyone can succeed in a not very free market environment," this is not true: "Without offering a good education with competent & caring teachers, no one can pull themselves up by their bootstraps." I've known poorly educated and even illiterate people who have succeeded very well with just a few simple but valuable skills, e.g. plumbers and electricians.