With the utmost, (and undiminished), respect Dr. Loury you are mistaken when you say Steve Bannon does not mention black and brown Americans when he speaks about his intense opposition to the H1-B visa program. He HAS repeatedly stated, specifically, that the program prevents those minority communities from achieving greater economic parity in the U.S. He also is adamant that he does not care about the race, ethnicity, religion, etc. of people, (he is not opposed to engineers from India because they are Indian). He wants Americans to prosper. THAT is the point of the America first movement. He recently stated that 30 percent of tech jobs should be held by minorities, (I took that statement to be a point he was trying to make, not to be exact or a limit). I am fans of yours and Steve Bannon, I assure you I would NOT listen to a person who espoused ANY racial animus. You recently made a point of sharing you had reconsidered your opinion about Ta-Nehisi Coates. Perhaps you will actually listen to a Steve Bannon segment in which he has spoken about the H1-B visa issue and you will share that you were mistaken. I can report that he actually ELEVATES the issue about the effects of the program on minorities in America. I'm thankful for The Glenn Show and I'm glad I'm able to be a supporter.
Most Indo Americans are not "brahmins". But "general category" is overrepresented, Many people from all 4 varnas, buddhists, jains, sikhs, muslims, christians, zorastrians are in "general category". There is no clear definition or consensus of what a "brahmin" is or is not; and no such definitions and characterizations exist in Indian law. Technically a lot of American Hare Krishna people are "brahmins" too.
About 150 million Indians in India think, speak and write english as their best language from birth. Many more also read, write and speak english, but not as their best language.
English speaking Indians economically dominate India. India's judicial system is in english. And most of India's political, religious and spiritual high end writing and dialogue is in english.
John, although I agree with some of your criticisms of Trump's behavior, the most egregious one for me was his inability to concede the 2020 election results, I must disagree that he is a card-carrying racist. Trump is an equal-opportunity offender. You could marry his daughter as long as you were considered to be a "winner" and wealthy. :-) Nonetheless, I'd like to add my two cents about your choice of writing about Al Jolson. That's a good idea however, let me suggest that one day you write an article about Sammy Davis Jr., not only regarding his immense talent but because he epitomized strength through racial adversity during Jim Crow. If he were alive today, I suspect he would be a fan of the Glenn Show podcasts. I read both of his biographies; he was a musical genius who used hard work and excellence to overcome racism. Yet, there isn't so much of a landmark plaque on the building he grew up in on 140th St and 8th Ave in Harlem. Let's not forget him.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Glenn and John, for all of your wonderful and thought-provoking podcasts over the years. You have elevated the discourse on sociocultural issues with intelligence, humor, and an in-depth analysis brilliantly articulated above and beyond reproach. You are very much appreciated. I wish you nothing but good things in the new year and beyond.
Complete and total cheap shot but the St. Louis Symphony has just emailed about "A Celebration of Hip-Hop: DMC and the Sugarhill Gang" which they are putting on in May. https://shop.slso.org/8714 I guess this is what pops concerts are now.
Good episode. There will always be people who will never be able to distinguish race from culture, or race from class. That's what makes Black culture so subjective. There will always be people using what Shelby Steele calls the "poetic truth" to spread for their own agendas. So we will always need the original black guys from Bloggingheads.tv to counter those narratives.
I am looking forward to the new year for this podcast.
Seriously John? You are bemoaning the fact that people are celebrating the assassin of a health care executive while you on this very show wish an assassin would kill trump? And you would have secretly celebrated the man or woman that pulled the trigger in that instance
Glenn, have you ever investigated being a guest on C-Span's morning call-in program? You'd be a welcome breath of fresh air as most of their guests are pretty mediocre and appear far too often. Matt Taibbi appeared a few months back, and it was refreshing to see a logical mind interacting with the narrative-pushing DC hosts. Most of their guests appear remotely and you are definitely set up for that. Anyway, just an idea for your retirement.
I think a big element of the lust for Giovanni Murderoni is that he espoused a left wing cause 🤷♂️ young people love leftist murderers, see the endless sales of Che and Mao tshirts that have occurred since some graphic artist turned their portraits into stencil art.
The closest conservative equivalent I can think of is online weirdos praising Pinochet or fictional characters like the God Emperor from Warhammer, but that is not "I have a crush on them".
Dear Profs. I always enjoy your conversations immensely. I have several comments/points to make.
1) re "getting tired of same old race shtick" - I can understand Glenn's weariness of/about it all. Yet, it should be pointed out WHY John thinks it "necessary". The "Black guys" are needed because there is an entire Black commentariat in academia and in journalism who write or think about NOTHING ELSE but "racism", where it is found, where it has been missed, how its effects haven't been properly addressed. Millions and millions of dollars have been poured and made by this "enterprise", including all of your typical three named people .. including academic types who have turned into mainstream media gadflies, people such as Michael Eric Dyson, Eddie Glaude and Marc Lamont Hill immediately come to mind but there are scores more who get invited on mainstream media (rarely popular podcasts, it should be noted!!!!) on an irregular basis. So, yes, your pushback when warranted IS necessary, alas, though I do understand the weariness.. Yet,,perhaps you even in your own small way contributed to end of "peak woke" and the potential "turning of the tide"., in your own Gandalf ways.
2) The political scientist and commentator/pollster, Rui Teixera is indeed a very great follow and person to read/watch. He has appeared on many podcasts. However, Rui is a Portuguese name, VERY popular in Brazil, where the famously miscegenated population has yet to "be educated" to "decolonize" its baby names :) I am slightly (only slightly) disappointed that our resident linguist hasn't picked up on this, but the first name Rui is ALWAYS mispronounced in American media. (the last name is roughly pronounced correctly, allowing for bad/long American vowel sounds) . Anyways .. in Portuguese, R is pronounced as an H when it's the "hard" "r" in Spanish (to start a word followed by vowel, is a hard r and of course the double r.. in Portuguese it's an H. So, for e.g. it's not Rio de Janeiro.. it's Hee-yo De Janeiro. The proper pronunciation of Rui can be heard here:
If John is familiar with Eastern Slavic swear words (probably not though he should he because he has dabbled in Russian ) he would note it's the exact same sound/name that is a vulgar word in Russian/ Polish for the male sex organ. (, probably also Ukrainian! ) However, calling someone that name in those languages is not equivalent to calling someone a "d _ _k_". It's a much stronger insult, almost fighting words.
3) There have been many interesting articles, before on the nature of Indian immigration (and how a mere name can tell you the geographical location and often the occupation of the Indian immigrant involved. The Indian American comedian Akaash Singh (who does a podcast with friend of show Andrew Schultz) (Trump was on it! and was funny) often uses this in his comedy bits (e.g. Patel . a very common Indian name .. will be from state of Gujarat and almost always involved in commerce/business. There has been discussion about Indian study habits combined with more outgoing personalities (vs East Asians) by Sarah Haider. Razib Khan has discussed how certain Indian run businesses indeed almost always hire their own, based on a "type" (the type that they best know that is basically represented throughout the firm) Meaning even amongst Indians they hire their "own" .(same caste, same backgrounds, same micro culture, etc)
African-Americans have had it easy when benchmarked against what blacks and whites had to endure. Our grandfather was caucasion, and recruited by Cecil J. Rhodes (Rhodes Scholarships) out of Australia, to be a pioneer in central Africa later, Southern Rhodesia. Believe me nobody had it easy. After our betrayal by Perfidious Albion, Rhodesian whites were "made an offer they could not refuse". LOL After a 100 years of building a country that became known as the Jewel of Africa, my generation escaped to Australia. Zimbabwe deteriorated into what it is today.
I wanted to benchmark African-American progress over the past 100+/- years. Fifteen years ago I chose Glenn Loury with John McWhorter, as examples of African American success. I watched and listened to them regularly. In the beginning I could barely tolerate Glenn but John was utterly insufferable. Nevertheless over the years I found myself appreciating their perspectives. John's insufferability and TDS was intolerable, whilst Glenn's back-sliding and need to be loved, gave me the pip. Both are highly educated and decent men.
I am a retired Australian lawyer and businessman. My final assessment is that African-Americans don't know what a tough and hard life is. Past US history gave contemporary blacks an excuse to fail. It was the last thing they needed. Better they face the struggles of life without help. It is what the rest of the world must do.
H1B visas bring in workers with skills that are in short supply compared to demand for those skills. They are often hired by firms, such as Compuware, that provide hi-skilled workers for American firms. Those American firms often offer full-time jobs to the workers who are effective, and they sponsor them for green cards. My Indian friends have told me that those H1B visa workers who are not offered full time positions have limited rights and that they are taken advantage of. It's a reasonably good system because the best workers tend to be the ones who get full time positions and a path to citizenship, but there are some problems with it.
Conversely illegal immigration by mostly unskilled workers keeps wages down for blue collar workers, and they fill positions that would be filled by American workers of all races if firms had to pay them a decent wage.
I think you may be selling short the impact of immigrants with H1B visas. High-skilled and low skilled immigrants lower wages and distort the job market. Most people who come here with an H1B come from countries where their education was free, highly competitive but free. We are as a society disinvesting in higher education (and high skill vocational, like precision manufacturing) while importing labor from other places that have those skills. It seems very short-sighted, and designed to benefit only the richest corportaions at the expense of regular old Americans.
I mean, an awful lot of doctors practicing in the US graduated from foreign medical schools, is that because Americans don't want to be doctors? No. There are limited spots in med school and med school is really expensive. And big hospital systems don't want to pay what it takes to make it make sense to invest all that time and money... hence the rise in doctors with international degrees, and alternative credentials like nurse practitioners, physicians assistants, and doctors who are DO instead of MD. Further, many radiology departments have the images reviewed by doctors overseas, etc
Amy, illegal immigration of mostly unskilled labor at the Mexican border is qualitatively different than H1B visas that go to highly trained immigrants. Unskilled illegal immigrants are hired because those who hire them are unwilling to pay Americans high enough wages to take those positions. People with H1B visas are hired because they have skills that are in short supply in the US.
A top notch programmer can do the as much work as several mediocre programmers. Some American programmers are top notch, but many are mediocre. Most of the foreign programmers who I've met are top-notch, and many of them were hired permanently and put on the path to citizenship. Programmers are important for our economy. You sound as if you are a lobbyist for the Chinese government, who wants to make it difficult for American companies to be productive.
Many Indian physicians have come to the US since the 1960's, and it's not clear to me that the rate has been increasing. The AMA limits the number of people who can become physicians, and that's a problem. It makes sense to deal with that issue before we reduce the number of foreign physicians who can come here. I've worked with several Indian physicians, and I found them to be well qualified. Indeed, the DOs that you complain of are almost all Americans. I agree that US schools should be training more nurses, but it makes sense to provide H1B visas to Asian immigrants (primarily Philipinos) until the issue is resolved, especially because the supply curve for nurses is backward bending.
You misread my tone entirely. I absolutely have no problem with immigration or with the workers who come here. I do have a problem with not being honest about reality. I studied engineering, and most of my friends (my husband included) are in IT. Years back, a friend got a consulting gig that paid $55k to travel 100%, the Indians who worked with him, also traveling 100% got paid $3k-5k. My husband recently changed jobs (his new team mostly works in a different country), but the old company only was only willing to pay maybe 80% of the going rate for programmers. Guess what percent of his team had H1B visas... Am I saying I am against H1B? No.
In my family, about half my cousins went to college. Almost all of them studied engineering (technology) or science. All of them were smart enough to study engineering. There were cultural and financial reasons that those who didn't go to college didn't, but it was not that they couldn't have done it. Its absurd to think we need to bring in more educated people because our own are not educable.
As an aside, I have a cousin who in his thirties is tired of working in manufacturing and all the uncertainty that comes from that, and is going back tto school to study nursing. As a husband and father of three that is a financial challenge, but in the long term he knows he will be much better off. My point is that we should be making that *easier* for people here, instead of just bringing in more people.
Here's a couple of songs that go well with John's River Rouge Plant painting. The first one sings about going to Detroit to find a good job in Mr. Ford's place. The second one is about the Detroit nightlife on Hastings Street. Blind Blake was from the area between Jacksonville Fla and Savannah, Ga. He lived in Jacksonville in the cold months. He lived in Chicago in the warm months at the corner of 31st Street and College Grove Avenue.
With the utmost, (and undiminished), respect Dr. Loury you are mistaken when you say Steve Bannon does not mention black and brown Americans when he speaks about his intense opposition to the H1-B visa program. He HAS repeatedly stated, specifically, that the program prevents those minority communities from achieving greater economic parity in the U.S. He also is adamant that he does not care about the race, ethnicity, religion, etc. of people, (he is not opposed to engineers from India because they are Indian). He wants Americans to prosper. THAT is the point of the America first movement. He recently stated that 30 percent of tech jobs should be held by minorities, (I took that statement to be a point he was trying to make, not to be exact or a limit). I am fans of yours and Steve Bannon, I assure you I would NOT listen to a person who espoused ANY racial animus. You recently made a point of sharing you had reconsidered your opinion about Ta-Nehisi Coates. Perhaps you will actually listen to a Steve Bannon segment in which he has spoken about the H1-B visa issue and you will share that you were mistaken. I can report that he actually ELEVATES the issue about the effects of the program on minorities in America. I'm thankful for The Glenn Show and I'm glad I'm able to be a supporter.
Thank you, Mr. Loury and Mr. Mcwhorter. I appreciate the care and craft of your conversations here. Looking forward to this new year!
Most Indo Americans are not "brahmins". But "general category" is overrepresented, Many people from all 4 varnas, buddhists, jains, sikhs, muslims, christians, zorastrians are in "general category". There is no clear definition or consensus of what a "brahmin" is or is not; and no such definitions and characterizations exist in Indian law. Technically a lot of American Hare Krishna people are "brahmins" too.
About 150 million Indians in India think, speak and write english as their best language from birth. Many more also read, write and speak english, but not as their best language.
English speaking Indians economically dominate India. India's judicial system is in english. And most of India's political, religious and spiritual high end writing and dialogue is in english.
John, although I agree with some of your criticisms of Trump's behavior, the most egregious one for me was his inability to concede the 2020 election results, I must disagree that he is a card-carrying racist. Trump is an equal-opportunity offender. You could marry his daughter as long as you were considered to be a "winner" and wealthy. :-) Nonetheless, I'd like to add my two cents about your choice of writing about Al Jolson. That's a good idea however, let me suggest that one day you write an article about Sammy Davis Jr., not only regarding his immense talent but because he epitomized strength through racial adversity during Jim Crow. If he were alive today, I suspect he would be a fan of the Glenn Show podcasts. I read both of his biographies; he was a musical genius who used hard work and excellence to overcome racism. Yet, there isn't so much of a landmark plaque on the building he grew up in on 140th St and 8th Ave in Harlem. Let's not forget him.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Glenn and John, for all of your wonderful and thought-provoking podcasts over the years. You have elevated the discourse on sociocultural issues with intelligence, humor, and an in-depth analysis brilliantly articulated above and beyond reproach. You are very much appreciated. I wish you nothing but good things in the new year and beyond.
Complete and total cheap shot but the St. Louis Symphony has just emailed about "A Celebration of Hip-Hop: DMC and the Sugarhill Gang" which they are putting on in May. https://shop.slso.org/8714 I guess this is what pops concerts are now.
Good episode. There will always be people who will never be able to distinguish race from culture, or race from class. That's what makes Black culture so subjective. There will always be people using what Shelby Steele calls the "poetic truth" to spread for their own agendas. So we will always need the original black guys from Bloggingheads.tv to counter those narratives.
I am looking forward to the new year for this podcast.
Seriously John? You are bemoaning the fact that people are celebrating the assassin of a health care executive while you on this very show wish an assassin would kill trump? And you would have secretly celebrated the man or woman that pulled the trigger in that instance
Glenn, have you ever investigated being a guest on C-Span's morning call-in program? You'd be a welcome breath of fresh air as most of their guests are pretty mediocre and appear far too often. Matt Taibbi appeared a few months back, and it was refreshing to see a logical mind interacting with the narrative-pushing DC hosts. Most of their guests appear remotely and you are definitely set up for that. Anyway, just an idea for your retirement.
I think a big element of the lust for Giovanni Murderoni is that he espoused a left wing cause 🤷♂️ young people love leftist murderers, see the endless sales of Che and Mao tshirts that have occurred since some graphic artist turned their portraits into stencil art.
The closest conservative equivalent I can think of is online weirdos praising Pinochet or fictional characters like the God Emperor from Warhammer, but that is not "I have a crush on them".
Dear Profs. I always enjoy your conversations immensely. I have several comments/points to make.
1) re "getting tired of same old race shtick" - I can understand Glenn's weariness of/about it all. Yet, it should be pointed out WHY John thinks it "necessary". The "Black guys" are needed because there is an entire Black commentariat in academia and in journalism who write or think about NOTHING ELSE but "racism", where it is found, where it has been missed, how its effects haven't been properly addressed. Millions and millions of dollars have been poured and made by this "enterprise", including all of your typical three named people .. including academic types who have turned into mainstream media gadflies, people such as Michael Eric Dyson, Eddie Glaude and Marc Lamont Hill immediately come to mind but there are scores more who get invited on mainstream media (rarely popular podcasts, it should be noted!!!!) on an irregular basis. So, yes, your pushback when warranted IS necessary, alas, though I do understand the weariness.. Yet,,perhaps you even in your own small way contributed to end of "peak woke" and the potential "turning of the tide"., in your own Gandalf ways.
2) The political scientist and commentator/pollster, Rui Teixera is indeed a very great follow and person to read/watch. He has appeared on many podcasts. However, Rui is a Portuguese name, VERY popular in Brazil, where the famously miscegenated population has yet to "be educated" to "decolonize" its baby names :) I am slightly (only slightly) disappointed that our resident linguist hasn't picked up on this, but the first name Rui is ALWAYS mispronounced in American media. (the last name is roughly pronounced correctly, allowing for bad/long American vowel sounds) . Anyways .. in Portuguese, R is pronounced as an H when it's the "hard" "r" in Spanish (to start a word followed by vowel, is a hard r and of course the double r.. in Portuguese it's an H. So, for e.g. it's not Rio de Janeiro.. it's Hee-yo De Janeiro. The proper pronunciation of Rui can be heard here:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TkP4UQ9mgC8
If John is familiar with Eastern Slavic swear words (probably not though he should he because he has dabbled in Russian ) he would note it's the exact same sound/name that is a vulgar word in Russian/ Polish for the male sex organ. (, probably also Ukrainian! ) However, calling someone that name in those languages is not equivalent to calling someone a "d _ _k_". It's a much stronger insult, almost fighting words.
3) There have been many interesting articles, before on the nature of Indian immigration (and how a mere name can tell you the geographical location and often the occupation of the Indian immigrant involved. The Indian American comedian Akaash Singh (who does a podcast with friend of show Andrew Schultz) (Trump was on it! and was funny) often uses this in his comedy bits (e.g. Patel . a very common Indian name .. will be from state of Gujarat and almost always involved in commerce/business. There has been discussion about Indian study habits combined with more outgoing personalities (vs East Asians) by Sarah Haider. Razib Khan has discussed how certain Indian run businesses indeed almost always hire their own, based on a "type" (the type that they best know that is basically represented throughout the firm) Meaning even amongst Indians they hire their "own" .(same caste, same backgrounds, same micro culture, etc)
African-Americans have had it easy when benchmarked against what blacks and whites had to endure. Our grandfather was caucasion, and recruited by Cecil J. Rhodes (Rhodes Scholarships) out of Australia, to be a pioneer in central Africa later, Southern Rhodesia. Believe me nobody had it easy. After our betrayal by Perfidious Albion, Rhodesian whites were "made an offer they could not refuse". LOL After a 100 years of building a country that became known as the Jewel of Africa, my generation escaped to Australia. Zimbabwe deteriorated into what it is today.
I wanted to benchmark African-American progress over the past 100+/- years. Fifteen years ago I chose Glenn Loury with John McWhorter, as examples of African American success. I watched and listened to them regularly. In the beginning I could barely tolerate Glenn but John was utterly insufferable. Nevertheless over the years I found myself appreciating their perspectives. John's insufferability and TDS was intolerable, whilst Glenn's back-sliding and need to be loved, gave me the pip. Both are highly educated and decent men.
I am a retired Australian lawyer and businessman. My final assessment is that African-Americans don't know what a tough and hard life is. Past US history gave contemporary blacks an excuse to fail. It was the last thing they needed. Better they face the struggles of life without help. It is what the rest of the world must do.
"African-Americans have had it easy when benchmarked against what blacks and whites had to endure."
1) African Americans are black.
2) Nothing in your post substantiated your assertion.
Glenn, you need to be an informal economic advisor to Trump. You and Roland Fryar could do great things that Trump might actually put into effect.
H1B visas bring in workers with skills that are in short supply compared to demand for those skills. They are often hired by firms, such as Compuware, that provide hi-skilled workers for American firms. Those American firms often offer full-time jobs to the workers who are effective, and they sponsor them for green cards. My Indian friends have told me that those H1B visa workers who are not offered full time positions have limited rights and that they are taken advantage of. It's a reasonably good system because the best workers tend to be the ones who get full time positions and a path to citizenship, but there are some problems with it.
Conversely illegal immigration by mostly unskilled workers keeps wages down for blue collar workers, and they fill positions that would be filled by American workers of all races if firms had to pay them a decent wage.
I think you may be selling short the impact of immigrants with H1B visas. High-skilled and low skilled immigrants lower wages and distort the job market. Most people who come here with an H1B come from countries where their education was free, highly competitive but free. We are as a society disinvesting in higher education (and high skill vocational, like precision manufacturing) while importing labor from other places that have those skills. It seems very short-sighted, and designed to benefit only the richest corportaions at the expense of regular old Americans.
I mean, an awful lot of doctors practicing in the US graduated from foreign medical schools, is that because Americans don't want to be doctors? No. There are limited spots in med school and med school is really expensive. And big hospital systems don't want to pay what it takes to make it make sense to invest all that time and money... hence the rise in doctors with international degrees, and alternative credentials like nurse practitioners, physicians assistants, and doctors who are DO instead of MD. Further, many radiology departments have the images reviewed by doctors overseas, etc
Amy, illegal immigration of mostly unskilled labor at the Mexican border is qualitatively different than H1B visas that go to highly trained immigrants. Unskilled illegal immigrants are hired because those who hire them are unwilling to pay Americans high enough wages to take those positions. People with H1B visas are hired because they have skills that are in short supply in the US.
A top notch programmer can do the as much work as several mediocre programmers. Some American programmers are top notch, but many are mediocre. Most of the foreign programmers who I've met are top-notch, and many of them were hired permanently and put on the path to citizenship. Programmers are important for our economy. You sound as if you are a lobbyist for the Chinese government, who wants to make it difficult for American companies to be productive.
Many Indian physicians have come to the US since the 1960's, and it's not clear to me that the rate has been increasing. The AMA limits the number of people who can become physicians, and that's a problem. It makes sense to deal with that issue before we reduce the number of foreign physicians who can come here. I've worked with several Indian physicians, and I found them to be well qualified. Indeed, the DOs that you complain of are almost all Americans. I agree that US schools should be training more nurses, but it makes sense to provide H1B visas to Asian immigrants (primarily Philipinos) until the issue is resolved, especially because the supply curve for nurses is backward bending.
You misread my tone entirely. I absolutely have no problem with immigration or with the workers who come here. I do have a problem with not being honest about reality. I studied engineering, and most of my friends (my husband included) are in IT. Years back, a friend got a consulting gig that paid $55k to travel 100%, the Indians who worked with him, also traveling 100% got paid $3k-5k. My husband recently changed jobs (his new team mostly works in a different country), but the old company only was only willing to pay maybe 80% of the going rate for programmers. Guess what percent of his team had H1B visas... Am I saying I am against H1B? No.
In my family, about half my cousins went to college. Almost all of them studied engineering (technology) or science. All of them were smart enough to study engineering. There were cultural and financial reasons that those who didn't go to college didn't, but it was not that they couldn't have done it. Its absurd to think we need to bring in more educated people because our own are not educable.
As an aside, I have a cousin who in his thirties is tired of working in manufacturing and all the uncertainty that comes from that, and is going back tto school to study nursing. As a husband and father of three that is a financial challenge, but in the long term he knows he will be much better off. My point is that we should be making that *easier* for people here, instead of just bringing in more people.
Here's a couple of songs that go well with John's River Rouge Plant painting. The first one sings about going to Detroit to find a good job in Mr. Ford's place. The second one is about the Detroit nightlife on Hastings Street. Blind Blake was from the area between Jacksonville Fla and Savannah, Ga. He lived in Jacksonville in the cold months. He lived in Chicago in the warm months at the corner of 31st Street and College Grove Avenue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brroOHq9hS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ni9LUWVqM
Musk is having a major influence outside the US as well: https://www.eugyppius.com/p/new-polling-data-confirms-musk-effect?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=268621&post_id=154284479&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=2jvin&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email