Listen now (61 min) | In this week’s episode, John and I return to a familiar character: Omar. For those of you unfamiliar with “Omar,” he’s our invented surrogate for the kind of young black man whose behavior is wreaking havoc on Chicago and St. Louis. Omar is economically disadvantaged. He was more than likely raised by a single mother. He underperforms academically, and he may have dropped out of high school. He’s involved in illegal activity of one sort or another. If there is some kind of large-scale disorderly event, you’ll likely find Omar there.
This episode put me in mind of Myron Magnet’s book: the Dream and the Nightmare; the legacy of the 1960s to the underclass. Summary below from Amazon. If whites want to assume guilt for the current condition of the Omar’s, I would say this where it lies. It had effect on all disadvantaged groups. The children of the white upper class of the time had the resources to rely on when their rebellion caused them harm. Those without these advantages, no matter their race though it was worse for blacks, did not escape. McWhorter made this point.
Myron Magnet’s The Dream and the Nightmare argues that the radical transformation of American culture that took place in the 1960s brought today’s underclass–overwhelmingly urban, dismayingly minority–into existence. Lifestyle experimentation among the white middle class produced often catastrophic changes in attitudes toward marriage and parenting, the work ethic and dependency in those at the bottom of the social ladder, and closed down their exits to the middle class.
Tucker’s text and how it’s “taken,” is a reflection of each of our own personal perception. We read his text as WE think. Which is why texting can be tricky. There’s a reason that text was singled out, John stated the reason clearly. If one text determines a person’s character so help us all. What’s really sad, I am guessing John has never watched Tucker or he would have never said he’s racist; another so help us all. The guest before, said it best. A society who ignores factual information is a society which will fail. Black people fight different as do Hispanics. Grew up with them both. Unless you fight J. Sparks the skinny quiet white dude who never started a fight but week after week beat the brains of every hispanic upon return of school suspension, as they each had their go at him. No gang fighting there, they didn’t want any of J. This was in 1985 .. it was NO secret the styles of fighting for each group .. white, blacks and Hispanics all different. ITS FACT!! So here is what I heard from John .. stating facts about black violence is ok for black people to say, but hush it if you’re white, or you’re racist. Back ‘er on up John, you continually speak the same as those who you speak out against and you both do it re: Trump.
Tucker was NOT fired, he’s still under contract and will win a big ole lawsuit against Fox for releasing private text while still an employee which was his stipulation for giving the info to Fox in the Dominion case. Fox canceled his show, kept him on contract and released private video and text in an attempt to bait him to speak out first against his contract while they dragged his release negotiations out. They released info, kept him under contract to effectively keep him from defending the released info. Nope he wasn’t fired they had a plan and I hope they pay mightily for it.
The Tucker "racism" case sounds like an instance of guilty of being white. What he said so closely echoes what is spoken, usually by Glenn, but also sometimes John, during these biweekly conversations.
It struck me today that Omar's presumed fatherlessness may be exacerbated by the sheer size of the USA (which makes child abandonment all the more possible). Could indeed the USA be too large for especially politically liberal families (those seeking independent lives)? I would wager that grandparents who successfully raise an Omar would hold conservative religious views that keep them residing in one spot for the sake of family unity.
My family comes from the Caribbean. I started out in private grade school until the fourth grade. Within that school were kids who came from working class homes and those families were mostly European and Latin descent. I was used to that type of culture, or environment.
Then I transferred to an innercity public school and struggled to make the adjustment to the new culture. I was surrounded by kids who looked like me, but I could not relate to them that much. I was not from their world.
Yes. It has cost me community. I don't relate to black culture that much because of how subjective it is. Being a nerd is not something that is celebrated with the culture. So I feel out place when I'm around certain people.
I spend much of my time alone, but I'm very selective with who I socialize with.
Glenn, I understand you have strong feelings about unchecked immigration. I was surprised at the assertion that borders are open under democrats, so I did a little internet search. Cato Institute, seems unlikely to give the democrats an unearned W, so here you go: https://www.cato.org/blog/deportation-rates-historical-perspective
Given that info, I’m unclear what the basis of your assertion is…?
On what shaped Omar?: In psychology, Locus of Control (LOC) refers to your perception that your life is controlled by you or by a force external to you, (others, a system, etc.) Those who perceive a more inner location of control are able to see more opportunities for self-development. We in behavioral health were supposed to assist adolescent development at the societal level- but we were sleeping on the job.
I also want to blame the schools for grievance indoctrination. My sister’s child attended middle school in 2000 in conservative Central Florida. History instruction seemed to come from a “radical liberation front.”
Yan, Uncle Tom was actually the hero. He covertly looked after his people. You need to closely read the following:
The Symbolic Betrayal of the Black Race: In his book, “Black Labor White Wealth”, Dr. Claude Anderson relates," the term Uncle Tom is not an appropriate label for an individual who is “white on the inside and black on the outside” and sells out his race by placing his personal gains with whites ahead of the rights and gains of his people. Contrary to popular usage of the label, the character Tom was not the culprit in Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Uncle Tom was a brave man with dignity who cared about his family and race. The real villain was another black slave named Sambo. He was totally committed to the white master and used every opportunity to undermine the other slaves.Sambo, in many respects, was like today’s black conservatives. Sambo always followed the white slave master, Simon Legree, and offered to show him how to “tree the coons.” It was black Sambo who beat Uncle to death for both refusing to whip a black female slave or sell out his people. Uncle Tom tried to empower his people by undermining and beating the social structure whenever he could. Uncle Tom felt it was important to get his people across the river to freedom. He risked his life to do so. The Sambo character personifies a very successful social control construct created by conservatives. He was such a successful phenomenon that the concept he personified became a greater danger to blacks than Uncle Tom. As blacks move towards structuring policies of racial accountability, it will be very important for them to know who helps and who hurts the race. Sambo was the black slave character in numerous novels and movies who was willing to pick up a weapon and defend his white master against the approaching Union army or hide the master’s silver from Northern carpetbaggers. What is the difference between the fictional Sambo characters and today’s real-life blacks who join the conservative movement to argue against affirmative action, black reparations, and set-asides? They declare that the world is now color blind and are opposed to any policies requiring whites to share the socioeconomic burden that centuries of slavery and second class citizenship have imposed on blacks. Isn’t espousing a color blind, race-neutral, melting pot society, a moderate way of hiding master’s silver? What are black conservatives conserving when black America is burdened by poverty, crime, unemployment, homelessness, and other social pathologies? Based upon historical treatment alone, there should be a general antagonism between blacks and conservatives. Though conservatives claim that they are not racist, for centuries, they have opposed programs and policies to help blacks. Andrew Hacker, a white writer, provided insight on this in his new book, Two Nations: Black and White, Separate, Hostile, and Unequal. Hacker asserted that: “There persists the belief that members of the black race represent an inferior strain of the human species…Of course, the belief is seldom voiced in public. Most whites who call themselves conservatives hold this view about blacks and proclaim it when they are sure of their company. Since white conservatives share their true feelings only in the privacy of other whites, there is a strong possibility that black conservatives do not know how white conservatives truly feel about them.”
What Tucker said about the nature of way white people fight was not necessarily in contrast to only blacks, as John believes. He may have also had Middle Easterners in mind, too. It was probably a comment about those who embrace the values of the West, and those who do not. In any case, it was a private comment.
One thought on the plethora of jobs for black man John referenced toward the end - I hear the same complaints now from manufacturers, small business owners etc. (I'm a freelance sales agent working on a lot of sales campaigns so I talk to a lotta different people) who have jobs, but claim 'people don't want to work' anymore. The pay isn't high enough. The pay *does* look pretty shabby compared to the skyrocketing cost of living, and wages haven't kept pace with that for decades. (Whoever you are, however much you make, you're probably not making nearly as much as you might have). Might that have been the case in the '60s and '70s? Or do you think the folks today who can't find anyone are right, that no one 'wants to work' anymore?
LETS GET OUR FACTS CORRECT PLEASE: Tucker Carlson did not say "that's not how white people fight" on television, he said it in a text to a close acquaintance, it was not a"public comment"
Tucker Carlson may be many things, but a witch he ain't. 'Witches' aren't guilty of what they're accused of. Carlson is a professional, demonstrable liar and the list of racist, misogynist, xenophobic, gynophobic, homophobic, arachnophobic, arachnohomophobic, Iraqarachnohomophobic, etc. things he's said could fill whole phone books. That was the only truly bizarre rant I've ever heard you utter, Glenn, and I've heard plenty. That was just....weird.
What are the childhood traumas that correlate to you having negative feelings for Black people? Black boys beat you up and took your lunch money? Uncle Billy Bob got too intimate, which continues to have you irrationally acting out passive-aggressively.
This episode put me in mind of Myron Magnet’s book: the Dream and the Nightmare; the legacy of the 1960s to the underclass. Summary below from Amazon. If whites want to assume guilt for the current condition of the Omar’s, I would say this where it lies. It had effect on all disadvantaged groups. The children of the white upper class of the time had the resources to rely on when their rebellion caused them harm. Those without these advantages, no matter their race though it was worse for blacks, did not escape. McWhorter made this point.
Myron Magnet’s The Dream and the Nightmare argues that the radical transformation of American culture that took place in the 1960s brought today’s underclass–overwhelmingly urban, dismayingly minority–into existence. Lifestyle experimentation among the white middle class produced often catastrophic changes in attitudes toward marriage and parenting, the work ethic and dependency in those at the bottom of the social ladder, and closed down their exits to the middle class.
Tucker’s text and how it’s “taken,” is a reflection of each of our own personal perception. We read his text as WE think. Which is why texting can be tricky. There’s a reason that text was singled out, John stated the reason clearly. If one text determines a person’s character so help us all. What’s really sad, I am guessing John has never watched Tucker or he would have never said he’s racist; another so help us all. The guest before, said it best. A society who ignores factual information is a society which will fail. Black people fight different as do Hispanics. Grew up with them both. Unless you fight J. Sparks the skinny quiet white dude who never started a fight but week after week beat the brains of every hispanic upon return of school suspension, as they each had their go at him. No gang fighting there, they didn’t want any of J. This was in 1985 .. it was NO secret the styles of fighting for each group .. white, blacks and Hispanics all different. ITS FACT!! So here is what I heard from John .. stating facts about black violence is ok for black people to say, but hush it if you’re white, or you’re racist. Back ‘er on up John, you continually speak the same as those who you speak out against and you both do it re: Trump.
Tucker was NOT fired, he’s still under contract and will win a big ole lawsuit against Fox for releasing private text while still an employee which was his stipulation for giving the info to Fox in the Dominion case. Fox canceled his show, kept him on contract and released private video and text in an attempt to bait him to speak out first against his contract while they dragged his release negotiations out. They released info, kept him under contract to effectively keep him from defending the released info. Nope he wasn’t fired they had a plan and I hope they pay mightily for it.
The Tucker "racism" case sounds like an instance of guilty of being white. What he said so closely echoes what is spoken, usually by Glenn, but also sometimes John, during these biweekly conversations.
It struck me today that Omar's presumed fatherlessness may be exacerbated by the sheer size of the USA (which makes child abandonment all the more possible). Could indeed the USA be too large for especially politically liberal families (those seeking independent lives)? I would wager that grandparents who successfully raise an Omar would hold conservative religious views that keep them residing in one spot for the sake of family unity.
hope you guys know that omar is hated by the shia muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_view_of_Umar
Great episode and conversation.
My family comes from the Caribbean. I started out in private grade school until the fourth grade. Within that school were kids who came from working class homes and those families were mostly European and Latin descent. I was used to that type of culture, or environment.
Then I transferred to an innercity public school and struggled to make the adjustment to the new culture. I was surrounded by kids who looked like me, but I could not relate to them that much. I was not from their world.
Yes. It has cost me community. I don't relate to black culture that much because of how subjective it is. Being a nerd is not something that is celebrated with the culture. So I feel out place when I'm around certain people.
I spend much of my time alone, but I'm very selective with who I socialize with.
Glenn, I understand you have strong feelings about unchecked immigration. I was surprised at the assertion that borders are open under democrats, so I did a little internet search. Cato Institute, seems unlikely to give the democrats an unearned W, so here you go: https://www.cato.org/blog/deportation-rates-historical-perspective
Given that info, I’m unclear what the basis of your assertion is…?
On what shaped Omar?: In psychology, Locus of Control (LOC) refers to your perception that your life is controlled by you or by a force external to you, (others, a system, etc.) Those who perceive a more inner location of control are able to see more opportunities for self-development. We in behavioral health were supposed to assist adolescent development at the societal level- but we were sleeping on the job.
I also want to blame the schools for grievance indoctrination. My sister’s child attended middle school in 2000 in conservative Central Florida. History instruction seemed to come from a “radical liberation front.”
Yan, Uncle Tom was actually the hero. He covertly looked after his people. You need to closely read the following:
The Symbolic Betrayal of the Black Race: In his book, “Black Labor White Wealth”, Dr. Claude Anderson relates," the term Uncle Tom is not an appropriate label for an individual who is “white on the inside and black on the outside” and sells out his race by placing his personal gains with whites ahead of the rights and gains of his people. Contrary to popular usage of the label, the character Tom was not the culprit in Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Uncle Tom was a brave man with dignity who cared about his family and race. The real villain was another black slave named Sambo. He was totally committed to the white master and used every opportunity to undermine the other slaves.Sambo, in many respects, was like today’s black conservatives. Sambo always followed the white slave master, Simon Legree, and offered to show him how to “tree the coons.” It was black Sambo who beat Uncle to death for both refusing to whip a black female slave or sell out his people. Uncle Tom tried to empower his people by undermining and beating the social structure whenever he could. Uncle Tom felt it was important to get his people across the river to freedom. He risked his life to do so. The Sambo character personifies a very successful social control construct created by conservatives. He was such a successful phenomenon that the concept he personified became a greater danger to blacks than Uncle Tom. As blacks move towards structuring policies of racial accountability, it will be very important for them to know who helps and who hurts the race. Sambo was the black slave character in numerous novels and movies who was willing to pick up a weapon and defend his white master against the approaching Union army or hide the master’s silver from Northern carpetbaggers. What is the difference between the fictional Sambo characters and today’s real-life blacks who join the conservative movement to argue against affirmative action, black reparations, and set-asides? They declare that the world is now color blind and are opposed to any policies requiring whites to share the socioeconomic burden that centuries of slavery and second class citizenship have imposed on blacks. Isn’t espousing a color blind, race-neutral, melting pot society, a moderate way of hiding master’s silver? What are black conservatives conserving when black America is burdened by poverty, crime, unemployment, homelessness, and other social pathologies? Based upon historical treatment alone, there should be a general antagonism between blacks and conservatives. Though conservatives claim that they are not racist, for centuries, they have opposed programs and policies to help blacks. Andrew Hacker, a white writer, provided insight on this in his new book, Two Nations: Black and White, Separate, Hostile, and Unequal. Hacker asserted that: “There persists the belief that members of the black race represent an inferior strain of the human species…Of course, the belief is seldom voiced in public. Most whites who call themselves conservatives hold this view about blacks and proclaim it when they are sure of their company. Since white conservatives share their true feelings only in the privacy of other whites, there is a strong possibility that black conservatives do not know how white conservatives truly feel about them.”
What Tucker said about the nature of way white people fight was not necessarily in contrast to only blacks, as John believes. He may have also had Middle Easterners in mind, too. It was probably a comment about those who embrace the values of the West, and those who do not. In any case, it was a private comment.
One thought on the plethora of jobs for black man John referenced toward the end - I hear the same complaints now from manufacturers, small business owners etc. (I'm a freelance sales agent working on a lot of sales campaigns so I talk to a lotta different people) who have jobs, but claim 'people don't want to work' anymore. The pay isn't high enough. The pay *does* look pretty shabby compared to the skyrocketing cost of living, and wages haven't kept pace with that for decades. (Whoever you are, however much you make, you're probably not making nearly as much as you might have). Might that have been the case in the '60s and '70s? Or do you think the folks today who can't find anyone are right, that no one 'wants to work' anymore?
LETS GET OUR FACTS CORRECT PLEASE: Tucker Carlson did not say "that's not how white people fight" on television, he said it in a text to a close acquaintance, it was not a"public comment"
Tucker Carlson may be many things, but a witch he ain't. 'Witches' aren't guilty of what they're accused of. Carlson is a professional, demonstrable liar and the list of racist, misogynist, xenophobic, gynophobic, homophobic, arachnophobic, arachnohomophobic, Iraqarachnohomophobic, etc. things he's said could fill whole phone books. That was the only truly bizarre rant I've ever heard you utter, Glenn, and I've heard plenty. That was just....weird.
What are the childhood traumas that correlate to you having negative feelings for Black people? Black boys beat you up and took your lunch money? Uncle Billy Bob got too intimate, which continues to have you irrationally acting out passive-aggressively.