I have followed Glenn and John's exploration of the George Floyd murder with great interest, as I live in Minnesota. Ellison took a highly predictable position by defending the Chauvin trial, but Ellison was blatantly incorrect in claiming the defense could call any expert they wanted ( not true), and that they had a fair and impartial jury. In fact, the jury was never sequestered, they were forced to walk past crowds which included prominent blacks like Maxine Watters, chanting "convict, convict", and so the jury was clearly intimidated. It took them no time at all to decide to convict.
As for "defund the police", the Minneapolis City Council is radically progressive and they DID push to defund. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed, but the Mpls cops are still under severe scrutiny and their morale is lower than a crippled cricket.
The best way to understand what really happened to George Floyd is to watch all four of the cops' body camera footage. Chauvin may well be guilty of some version of manslaughter, but not murder. The long period that Floyd was on the ground with three cops restraining him was entirely due to the fact that an ambulance was on its way and was expected literally any second, but it got lost and went to the wrong place. Chauvin had experience with that restraint and had never had an adverse event using it before. He is not a murderer. Ellison never misses a chance to insert himself into a gaggle of reporters with cameras.
Ellison's opinions were entirely predictable, and his rudeness in talking over Glenn and John was distracting and unprofessional. Continually bringing up the history of slavery and lynching and segregation resolves exactly nothing regarding crime in Minneapolis. Ellison's stint as AG for Minneapolis will not be a game-changer.
I'm not usually a commenter, but amongst the criticism you're getting for having folks like Ellison on I want to raise my hand and say thanks.
One reason I subscribe and have listened for so long is that I know coming here I'll hear substantive conversations from a wide range of perspectives. I also know that though I may disagree with some of the opinions on offer at the end of the day, they are coming from a sincere and earnest place. That's invaluable.
Honest, good-faith, open-minded conversation on controversial topics is in short supply these days. Thank you!
I would appreciate transcripts of the lectures. Life is short when you’re an octogenarian. It is quicker to read a long piece than to listen to it. Also, it is easier to evaluate in print without the emotional stress from voices. Please consider more transcripts.
Two thumbs down… I have been disappointed with Glenn’s substack especially pushing Keith Ellison’s brand. I subscribe to many different authors to gain perspective, but like other comments above it seems Glenn has turned to lecturing on issues rather than discussing issues. If I want to be lectured on the issues I would watch MSM like MSNBC.
Respectfully disagree. I didn't view Keith Ellison's invitation as "pushing" his brand. I'm very glad The Glenn Show had Ellison as a guest. I hope they continue to invite people like Ellison on for good discussions.
I think Ellison is reasonable on this issue, even though I don't exactly disagree with him. He seems like a sensible politician who realizes foreign affairs are complicated. If this is where the center left position is on Israel, I'm not that worried for the immediate future.
In a world of Absolutes -- in which there is either Progressive Utopia (a place filled with DIE unicorns, zero emissions, and whirling windmills in which everyone is equal in every way always) OR Existential Doom -- is there ever really a choice?
Welcome to the Kafka Trap!
Either we agree with Progressive Dogma & the Leftist Green Anti-Israeli Agenda (to name but a few of its Hydra-like heads) .... and endorse Biden for President & Savior of Democracy & the Polar Bears... OR we are tarred & feathered as Fascist Planetary Threat. There is nothing else....as per AG Ellison, et al.
To object to the rhetorical algorithm.... to say, in the extreme, that we support Israel's destruction of Hamas...or we think a Trump Presidency could return us to some dim form of normalcy... or to suggest that the so-called Climate Science is by & large bunk....is to suicidally embrace that very same Existential Demise (and thereby prove we are still just a part of the same Doom problem with Deplorables).
It's ludicrous.
As ludicrous, in fact, as the expectation that Hamas' use of civilian shields in their genocidal persecution of the Jew should actually work to convince the World to protect them Israel's continued push to end them.
In any case it's obvious that Keith's nominal Islamic loyalties (and his crocodile tears of Gazan sympathies) take a far back seat to this political ambitions as they center around the 'Weekend at Bernie's propping up of the hollow, headpiece-filled-with-straw Biden.
"Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
Now we begin to understand the Left's must fundamental agenda...now we begin to understand AG Ellison.
Coleman Hughes is really becoming a superstar. He does his research and doesn't put unfounded BS out there just to say or do something. Glenn steps in doodoo by opining before thinking things through.
He also wrote a really good article dealing in fact about life in the Gaza. Surprisingly, their life expectancy, infant mortality rate, and mortality rate under five is average in the world and better than the rest of the Middle East in comparison.
No, they are not. Genocide is the purposeful and deliberate killing of civilians. That is not what Israel is doing in any way shape or form. That is what Hamas does. And to their own people. They are deliberately putting the Palestinians in harms way.
Ellison stated Trump stated Muslims celebrated 911. First of all, Muslims did celebrate. Second of all, they also celebrated the Hamas massacre in Israel, a most disgusting and brutal attack possible: killing and raping women and killing babies. He should have been challenged on this.
And Trump is not an existential threat to democracy. And the reason for this is not because of Trump, but because presidents, relatively speaking, do not have that much power. And that was the brilliance of our forefathers. They knew and understood the Trumps of the world and that's why they thankfully mitigated their power.
In little more than 20 weeks, there will be a Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Netanyahu will still be bombing the sh*t out of Palestinians, and there will be anti-war riots at the convention that will be every bit as destructive as the 1968 convention in Chicago, which destroyed a whole generation of Democratic leaders (including H. H. Humphrey, one of the most decent politicians in American history). Trump will be the 'New Nixon'. That's a best case scenario - Netanyahu may well have instigated a shooting war between the U.S. and Iran, before then.
I get the impression that Glenn would like to put the discussion of the Gaza war and cease fire petitions behind him but he just can't resist an opportunity to query someone like Ellison on his views.
I still think it would be worthwhile to get someone like Bari Weis or Douglas Murray on the show to get their views. They've each spent considerable time on the ground reporting in depth on the war and its' effects.
Also, the text from Article 51, 1987 Commentary, Geneva Convention: "Protection of the Civilian Population."
7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.
8. Any violation of these prohibitions shall not release the Parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population and civilians, including the obligation to take the precautionary measures provided for in Article 57 .
Yes, or ACTUAL historians of the conflict such as Benny Morris or Jeffrey Herf, neither of whom are big fans of Netanyahu but both of whom actually know the issues and understand why Israel has no choice but to fight this war to the finish as totally as it can. AND who understand why that is the only thing that will actually make life better for Gazans as well. Ellison, we are told, has "evident sympathy for the innocent victims in Gaza." If that is so, he would also be endorsing this same Israeli victory and an end to Hamas. If he does not endorse that, he is a fraud.
It would have been better to do more homework and confront this jackass on the advertised issue, rather than on more facile points. One question that keeps nagging me is why nobody ever mentions Daniel Shaver's name and asks people to watch the gruesome video of his murder by the cops, who had nothing happen to them, and then ask about the contrast, and what we make of that. And what we make of the fact that this hateful ideologue gets a seat in Congress and an AG appointment and then the red carpet on this show, all on the basis of crimes committed in previous centuries. Why do we still tolerate such insulting nonsense?
It strikes me that Ellison is exactly the type of black leader that Glenn and John view with contempt. I would be willing to bet that G&J understandably agreed up front to keep the discussion non-confrontational. Unfortunately this has the affect of making the discussion a bit of a waste of time.
The chief rabbi of Israel a couple decades ago said the life of a thousand goyim (non-Jews) is not worth a single Jewish FINGERNAIL. You were saying? Spare me your sickening Jewish idea of morality.
… and if by chance you watched the Gideon Levy link, keep in mind as Jews call Palestinian animals that the Nazis called Jews vermin … that when you demonize and dehumanize the other, you can lay waste to them and sleep well at night.
I have been immersed in the Jewish world for over 40 years since marrying into a large Jewish Zionist family. I have come to know it well, a mind boggling sense of supremacism, entitlement, and impunity. I came across this nine year old video by Gideon Levy the other day, sums it up well.
The whole episode was very disappointing. Glenn and John, whose work I almost always enjoy a great deal, were seemingly cowed by Elliison’s non- stop lecturing and dissembling. I guess it’s not easy to stop someone intent on filibustering, but a better effort was required and an opportunity for a real discussion was squandered. Too bad
He's a sitting congressman, and a direct player in a major U.S. event - not a professor bringing his commentary. They're right to accord him more speaking time out of respect, so that we can hear his story, IMHO.
He's actually a twice elected Attorney General for the State of Minnesota. Prior to that, he was a 6 term congressman from a Minneapolis district. I agree with Jon, Glenn and John were just showing deference to the office and the unique perspective that Ellison had to offer regarding the George Floyd demonstrations in the Twin Cities and their aftermath.
A number of commenters have referred to Ellison as an empty suit. I disagree with much of AG Ellison's politics, but empty suits don't have his resume in a 85% white state.
I have followed Glenn and John's exploration of the George Floyd murder with great interest, as I live in Minnesota. Ellison took a highly predictable position by defending the Chauvin trial, but Ellison was blatantly incorrect in claiming the defense could call any expert they wanted ( not true), and that they had a fair and impartial jury. In fact, the jury was never sequestered, they were forced to walk past crowds which included prominent blacks like Maxine Watters, chanting "convict, convict", and so the jury was clearly intimidated. It took them no time at all to decide to convict.
As for "defund the police", the Minneapolis City Council is radically progressive and they DID push to defund. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed, but the Mpls cops are still under severe scrutiny and their morale is lower than a crippled cricket.
The best way to understand what really happened to George Floyd is to watch all four of the cops' body camera footage. Chauvin may well be guilty of some version of manslaughter, but not murder. The long period that Floyd was on the ground with three cops restraining him was entirely due to the fact that an ambulance was on its way and was expected literally any second, but it got lost and went to the wrong place. Chauvin had experience with that restraint and had never had an adverse event using it before. He is not a murderer. Ellison never misses a chance to insert himself into a gaggle of reporters with cameras.
Ellison's opinions were entirely predictable, and his rudeness in talking over Glenn and John was distracting and unprofessional. Continually bringing up the history of slavery and lynching and segregation resolves exactly nothing regarding crime in Minneapolis. Ellison's stint as AG for Minneapolis will not be a game-changer.
I'm not usually a commenter, but amongst the criticism you're getting for having folks like Ellison on I want to raise my hand and say thanks.
One reason I subscribe and have listened for so long is that I know coming here I'll hear substantive conversations from a wide range of perspectives. I also know that though I may disagree with some of the opinions on offer at the end of the day, they are coming from a sincere and earnest place. That's invaluable.
Honest, good-faith, open-minded conversation on controversial topics is in short supply these days. Thank you!
I would appreciate transcripts of the lectures. Life is short when you’re an octogenarian. It is quicker to read a long piece than to listen to it. Also, it is easier to evaluate in print without the emotional stress from voices. Please consider more transcripts.
Two thumbs down… I have been disappointed with Glenn’s substack especially pushing Keith Ellison’s brand. I subscribe to many different authors to gain perspective, but like other comments above it seems Glenn has turned to lecturing on issues rather than discussing issues. If I want to be lectured on the issues I would watch MSM like MSNBC.
Respectfully disagree. I didn't view Keith Ellison's invitation as "pushing" his brand. I'm very glad The Glenn Show had Ellison as a guest. I hope they continue to invite people like Ellison on for good discussions.
Well, for starters he’s not a MOC, he’s Atty General. And he was rambling and lecturing; avoiding dialogue, facilitated by G and J
He was elected to Congress in 2006 and served from 2007-2019.
I think Ellison is reasonable on this issue, even though I don't exactly disagree with him. He seems like a sensible politician who realizes foreign affairs are complicated. If this is where the center left position is on Israel, I'm not that worried for the immediate future.
In a world of Absolutes -- in which there is either Progressive Utopia (a place filled with DIE unicorns, zero emissions, and whirling windmills in which everyone is equal in every way always) OR Existential Doom -- is there ever really a choice?
Welcome to the Kafka Trap!
Either we agree with Progressive Dogma & the Leftist Green Anti-Israeli Agenda (to name but a few of its Hydra-like heads) .... and endorse Biden for President & Savior of Democracy & the Polar Bears... OR we are tarred & feathered as Fascist Planetary Threat. There is nothing else....as per AG Ellison, et al.
To object to the rhetorical algorithm.... to say, in the extreme, that we support Israel's destruction of Hamas...or we think a Trump Presidency could return us to some dim form of normalcy... or to suggest that the so-called Climate Science is by & large bunk....is to suicidally embrace that very same Existential Demise (and thereby prove we are still just a part of the same Doom problem with Deplorables).
It's ludicrous.
As ludicrous, in fact, as the expectation that Hamas' use of civilian shields in their genocidal persecution of the Jew should actually work to convince the World to protect them Israel's continued push to end them.
In any case it's obvious that Keith's nominal Islamic loyalties (and his crocodile tears of Gazan sympathies) take a far back seat to this political ambitions as they center around the 'Weekend at Bernie's propping up of the hollow, headpiece-filled-with-straw Biden.
"Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
Now we begin to understand the Left's must fundamental agenda...now we begin to understand AG Ellison.
Keith Ellison has become a fount of knowledge for Glenn and John. We are sliding downhill faster than I thought. Very disappointing.
Listen to Coleman Hughes's brilliant talk about Gaza on Joe Rogan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNYtG8iZ71E&ab_channel=PowerfulJRE
starting at 1:46:15
Coleman Hughes is really becoming a superstar. He does his research and doesn't put unfounded BS out there just to say or do something. Glenn steps in doodoo by opining before thinking things through.
He also wrote a really good article dealing in fact about life in the Gaza. Surprisingly, their life expectancy, infant mortality rate, and mortality rate under five is average in the world and better than the rest of the Middle East in comparison.
What, you mean they aren't being genocided?/s.
No, they are not. Genocide is the purposeful and deliberate killing of civilians. That is not what Israel is doing in any way shape or form. That is what Hamas does. And to their own people. They are deliberately putting the Palestinians in harms way.
Exactly. Funny how Hamas has resources to battle the IDF, but not to take care of their "own people".
Sorry, dummy me, I didn't get you were being facetious. :)
Ellison stated Trump stated Muslims celebrated 911. First of all, Muslims did celebrate. Second of all, they also celebrated the Hamas massacre in Israel, a most disgusting and brutal attack possible: killing and raping women and killing babies. He should have been challenged on this.
And Trump is not an existential threat to democracy. And the reason for this is not because of Trump, but because presidents, relatively speaking, do not have that much power. And that was the brilliance of our forefathers. They knew and understood the Trumps of the world and that's why they thankfully mitigated their power.
An interesting new documentary by Robby Montz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjadCd0VRBw
In little more than 20 weeks, there will be a Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Netanyahu will still be bombing the sh*t out of Palestinians, and there will be anti-war riots at the convention that will be every bit as destructive as the 1968 convention in Chicago, which destroyed a whole generation of Democratic leaders (including H. H. Humphrey, one of the most decent politicians in American history). Trump will be the 'New Nixon'. That's a best case scenario - Netanyahu may well have instigated a shooting war between the U.S. and Iran, before then.
I get the impression that Glenn would like to put the discussion of the Gaza war and cease fire petitions behind him but he just can't resist an opportunity to query someone like Ellison on his views.
I still think it would be worthwhile to get someone like Bari Weis or Douglas Murray on the show to get their views. They've each spent considerable time on the ground reporting in depth on the war and its' effects.
Two military perspectives supporting the Israeli effort worth viewing: John Spencer and Andrew Roberts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcrsobilITo
https://youtu.be/AF5m17OdC6o?si=UcMrFt2517h7z4ZX&t=2140
Another from the once-strived-for method of bothsides: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/military-experts-weigh-in-on-israels-tactics-in-gaza-airstrikes-and-ground-invasion
Also, the text from Article 51, 1987 Commentary, Geneva Convention: "Protection of the Civilian Population."
7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.
8. Any violation of these prohibitions shall not release the Parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population and civilians, including the obligation to take the precautionary measures provided for in Article 57 .
Yes, or ACTUAL historians of the conflict such as Benny Morris or Jeffrey Herf, neither of whom are big fans of Netanyahu but both of whom actually know the issues and understand why Israel has no choice but to fight this war to the finish as totally as it can. AND who understand why that is the only thing that will actually make life better for Gazans as well. Ellison, we are told, has "evident sympathy for the innocent victims in Gaza." If that is so, he would also be endorsing this same Israeli victory and an end to Hamas. If he does not endorse that, he is a fraud.
Or Coleman Hughes - listen to his brilliant talk about Gaza on Joe Rogan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNYtG8iZ71E&ab_channel=PowerfulJRE
starting at 1:46:15
It would have been better to do more homework and confront this jackass on the advertised issue, rather than on more facile points. One question that keeps nagging me is why nobody ever mentions Daniel Shaver's name and asks people to watch the gruesome video of his murder by the cops, who had nothing happen to them, and then ask about the contrast, and what we make of that. And what we make of the fact that this hateful ideologue gets a seat in Congress and an AG appointment and then the red carpet on this show, all on the basis of crimes committed in previous centuries. Why do we still tolerate such insulting nonsense?
It strikes me that Ellison is exactly the type of black leader that Glenn and John view with contempt. I would be willing to bet that G&J understandably agreed up front to keep the discussion non-confrontational. Unfortunately this has the affect of making the discussion a bit of a waste of time.
Excellent assessment
A 2 State Solution led by a reformed PLA is ridiculous. How do you get to meaningful reform from what we have now: a PLA that pays for slaughtering Jews and shows no inclination to stop. Read this if you want to know what the PLA is about: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/how-much-is-dead-jew-worth
The chief rabbi of Israel a couple decades ago said the life of a thousand goyim (non-Jews) is not worth a single Jewish FINGERNAIL. You were saying? Spare me your sickening Jewish idea of morality.
Schmuck
… and if by chance you watched the Gideon Levy link, keep in mind as Jews call Palestinian animals that the Nazis called Jews vermin … that when you demonize and dehumanize the other, you can lay waste to them and sleep well at night.
I have been immersed in the Jewish world for over 40 years since marrying into a large Jewish Zionist family. I have come to know it well, a mind boggling sense of supremacism, entitlement, and impunity. I came across this nine year old video by Gideon Levy the other day, sums it up well.
https://youtu.be/3EtNFXL_ykg?si=V5EAhVgWkF45HF78
The whole episode was very disappointing. Glenn and John, whose work I almost always enjoy a great deal, were seemingly cowed by Elliison’s non- stop lecturing and dissembling. I guess it’s not easy to stop someone intent on filibustering, but a better effort was required and an opportunity for a real discussion was squandered. Too bad
He's a sitting congressman, and a direct player in a major U.S. event - not a professor bringing his commentary. They're right to accord him more speaking time out of respect, so that we can hear his story, IMHO.
He's actually a twice elected Attorney General for the State of Minnesota. Prior to that, he was a 6 term congressman from a Minneapolis district. I agree with Jon, Glenn and John were just showing deference to the office and the unique perspective that Ellison had to offer regarding the George Floyd demonstrations in the Twin Cities and their aftermath.
A number of commenters have referred to Ellison as an empty suit. I disagree with much of AG Ellison's politics, but empty suits don't have his resume in a 85% white state.
Thank you for the minor correction. My brain's been a little fried lately.