To support free speech, one must support all speech that doesn’t violate the First Amendment, including all curse words, insulting worfds, and hateful words.
Are such words actually inciting illegal violence? If yes, they are not free speech. If not, they are.
That should be the standard. We don’t have it now.
Amy wants us to fight for the standard, but I’m not sure we get there by current steps.
It would be better if all colleges that have tax exemptions were required to have 30% Republicans & 30% Democrats on their Boards of Trustees, and likewise at least 30% Rep & Dem professors
Democrats might agree with Free Speech faster if they get canceled for demonizing whites, or males, or pro-life folks, or Christians; or Republicans, or Trump, or Trump-supporters. Or Jews. If all demonization is forbidden, so as to not offend anybody, the Dems will be against that much “safety”.
The lousy reality now is only selective demonization is allowed. None against it knows how to change the minds of the partisan Dem decision makers who currently support some but oppose other offenses.
While I support Amy, perhaps uselessly, I’m not persuaded her style of opposition will correct the system. More publicity helps, tho. Thanks, Glenn.
The human condition has an underlying strength to protect itself at all cost historically to its own destruction. That’s a reality. Not pretty, certainly not comfortable, but true nonetheless. In our efforts to help we learn all to often the human condition’s common attempt to protect is taking the truth and turning it into a lie. We’ve all stood stymied when it happens, sometimes right in front of us, as it has all too often today. Avoidance has become the go to…when that doesn’t work adding the collective who will agree to avoud, when that alone doesn’t work beginning to raise voices…. and thus here we are….Again sad but true. Our comfort is knowing the truth in all it’s strength as well as what makes the truth frail most often of our own making. Glad we have a Supreme Court… the bench marking the ways and means for a civil society. We can only hope Ms Jackson’s statement saying her biggest concern is the First Amendment hamstringing Government responses to threatening circumstances… We want to believe she just had a moment when missing the point of her duty to address “how the government responds” and SCOTUS providing a ruling that ensures the American People the government responds in compliance with the First Amendment. I must give her the benefit of the doubt and trust her colleagues later explain the importance of speaking from the bench candidly but not ——- you fill in the word. Perhaps inexperiencedly may be my best attempt..but we all become aware that words matter and the way we present them will affect.
So how can we assure that important work to understand the disposition of our demographic is presented for the best possible long term result.
How can this significant data about IQ as a measuring stick of where our diverse demographic stands in their ability to reason cognitively with the goal of raising all boats along with tide be presented for best outcomes not just for the few but in fairness to all…
Persecuting someone, bullying them out of the square, using tools to squash their livelihoods for doing work that makes folks uncomfortable would seem to hurt us all. What are the solutions from here?
The heckler's veto seems to be alive and well. Students should learn to listen to different ideas and respect those they disagree with. A few years ago a few students at Claremont disrupted a speaker and were faced with suspension or being expelled. That seemed appropriate due to the scale of disruption. I don't know the final outcome but I was impressed that any discipline was contemplated. Can you provide an update on that?
A legitimate Polish joke goes back to 1652: How many Poles did it take to screw up a country? One thanks to the Liberum Veto where one single noble could dissolve the government. Call it their Heckler's Veto on an existential level. While our government is protected against this extreme, our culture seems not to be. Where a single objection can cancel a speech, a private or a public career.
This obliteration of diversity of thought on the vast majority of US university campuses is thoroughly out of control. The persecution of Amy Wax and likely innumerable other professors in similar predicaments as hers, spells the end of intellectual excellence for our young adults. They cannot possibly learn to think critically and creatively without challenges to their thought processes and world views. How do we stop this kind of evil idiocy?
I grew up in west Philly, on spruce street, near intersection with 48th. A few blocks from the main Penn campus. Was once a great university, back in the 70’s. Sad..
I self-assign role of language police as I declare that “unsafe” refer to physical safety. I challenge students at the world’s best universities to mine the English language for more accurate and precise terms. I suggest, depending on situation that student response be “I felt disrespected, demeaned, belittled, stereotyped, etc.”
It's going to be interesting trying to turn this around as the Universities are sitting on billions, the media, social media, and the democratic party are all in on this movement.
They will just tie you up in courts or committees until you run out of money or age out of the situation.
This is like a Jew trying to file an insurance claim after kristallnacht.
To support free speech, one must support all speech that doesn’t violate the First Amendment, including all curse words, insulting worfds, and hateful words.
Are such words actually inciting illegal violence? If yes, they are not free speech. If not, they are.
That should be the standard. We don’t have it now.
Amy wants us to fight for the standard, but I’m not sure we get there by current steps.
It would be better if all colleges that have tax exemptions were required to have 30% Republicans & 30% Democrats on their Boards of Trustees, and likewise at least 30% Rep & Dem professors
Democrats might agree with Free Speech faster if they get canceled for demonizing whites, or males, or pro-life folks, or Christians; or Republicans, or Trump, or Trump-supporters. Or Jews. If all demonization is forbidden, so as to not offend anybody, the Dems will be against that much “safety”.
The lousy reality now is only selective demonization is allowed. None against it knows how to change the minds of the partisan Dem decision makers who currently support some but oppose other offenses.
While I support Amy, perhaps uselessly, I’m not persuaded her style of opposition will correct the system. More publicity helps, tho. Thanks, Glenn.
The human condition has an underlying strength to protect itself at all cost historically to its own destruction. That’s a reality. Not pretty, certainly not comfortable, but true nonetheless. In our efforts to help we learn all to often the human condition’s common attempt to protect is taking the truth and turning it into a lie. We’ve all stood stymied when it happens, sometimes right in front of us, as it has all too often today. Avoidance has become the go to…when that doesn’t work adding the collective who will agree to avoud, when that alone doesn’t work beginning to raise voices…. and thus here we are….Again sad but true. Our comfort is knowing the truth in all it’s strength as well as what makes the truth frail most often of our own making. Glad we have a Supreme Court… the bench marking the ways and means for a civil society. We can only hope Ms Jackson’s statement saying her biggest concern is the First Amendment hamstringing Government responses to threatening circumstances… We want to believe she just had a moment when missing the point of her duty to address “how the government responds” and SCOTUS providing a ruling that ensures the American People the government responds in compliance with the First Amendment. I must give her the benefit of the doubt and trust her colleagues later explain the importance of speaking from the bench candidly but not ——- you fill in the word. Perhaps inexperiencedly may be my best attempt..but we all become aware that words matter and the way we present them will affect.
So how can we assure that important work to understand the disposition of our demographic is presented for the best possible long term result.
How can this significant data about IQ as a measuring stick of where our diverse demographic stands in their ability to reason cognitively with the goal of raising all boats along with tide be presented for best outcomes not just for the few but in fairness to all…
Persecuting someone, bullying them out of the square, using tools to squash their livelihoods for doing work that makes folks uncomfortable would seem to hurt us all. What are the solutions from here?
The heckler's veto seems to be alive and well. Students should learn to listen to different ideas and respect those they disagree with. A few years ago a few students at Claremont disrupted a speaker and were faced with suspension or being expelled. That seemed appropriate due to the scale of disruption. I don't know the final outcome but I was impressed that any discipline was contemplated. Can you provide an update on that?
DEI. Yeah, right.
A legitimate Polish joke goes back to 1652: How many Poles did it take to screw up a country? One thanks to the Liberum Veto where one single noble could dissolve the government. Call it their Heckler's Veto on an existential level. While our government is protected against this extreme, our culture seems not to be. Where a single objection can cancel a speech, a private or a public career.
This obliteration of diversity of thought on the vast majority of US university campuses is thoroughly out of control. The persecution of Amy Wax and likely innumerable other professors in similar predicaments as hers, spells the end of intellectual excellence for our young adults. They cannot possibly learn to think critically and creatively without challenges to their thought processes and world views. How do we stop this kind of evil idiocy?
U of P doesn’t give a rats ass if Jewish students feel
unsafe from tne hamasnik mobs. They got free speech up the wazoo. P
I grew up in west Philly, on spruce street, near intersection with 48th. A few blocks from the main Penn campus. Was once a great university, back in the 70’s. Sad..
I self-assign role of language police as I declare that “unsafe” refer to physical safety. I challenge students at the world’s best universities to mine the English language for more accurate and precise terms. I suggest, depending on situation that student response be “I felt disrespected, demeaned, belittled, stereotyped, etc.”
can someon post link to the leaked Penn State document?
It's going to be interesting trying to turn this around as the Universities are sitting on billions, the media, social media, and the democratic party are all in on this movement.
They will just tie you up in courts or committees until you run out of money or age out of the situation.
This is like a Jew trying to file an insurance claim after kristallnacht.