There has been a battle for power between democrats in Chicago for some time now. Conservatives don't make an appearance at all in the film, this is democrat vs. democrat in their own words. It doesn't explain "mob actions" specifically, but it's all part of the puzzle. If there is an absence of fathers and/or faith/clergy, it's more important than ever that politicians, teachers, police, etc. provide the right message for these kids.
Certainly the absence of the “father of five” (perhaps by three different mothers of five), the breakdown of the patriarchal structure of the Black family that began with the Great Migration (from circa 1916 to approximately 1970) of Black laboring classes from the rural South to the Industrial North, as described by Daniel Patrick Moynihan in the so-termed ‘Monihan report’ of 1965, has been of critical importance to the rise of militant alienation of Black youth. Large numbers of Black males, of successive generations, have had inadequate male role models or have lacked the perceived necessity of parenthood within the nuclear family as integral to the concept of manhood. It may be pointed out that this phenomenon is not peculiar to Black culture but is a drift in norms across society. It is however pronounced in communities of predominantly lower socioeconomic status, of which Blacks are disproportionately represented.
Young people, especially young men, will seek ‘heroic’ expression of enthusiasm and inclusion in group dynamics. Lacking attachment to the ethos of the reigning society they will seek alternative outlets. Lacking positive role models supportive of social norms or positive alternatives to a system seen as pejorative to their interest, they will express themselves in negative opposition to the status quo, will build identities consistent with anti-establishmentarian premises. This tendency is weaponized by those in positions of influence and authority who seek their own advantage and is abetted by well-intentioned progressives by the promotion of the cult of victimhood and portrayal of our polyglot, pluralistic society as irredeemably racist and inimical to Black youths’ ambitions for pride of place. While vitally important, it is not sufficient for communities to build ladders to the middle class in absence of the desire of individuals to employ those ladders, but who seek fulfillment in solidarity of opposition to the very concept of integration within the larger society.
The necessary and proper response of social institutions to criminality, or “mobs” of any stripe is intolerance of such behavior, rather than apologetic encouragement from politicians peddling pablum to constituencies seeking absolution by way of self-immolation, visiting on themselves retribution for the sin of not being under-privileged; and of law abiding Blacks who support the party line as sympathetic to their tribe, when in reality said politicians and apologists are incompatible with their interest of security, of the right to raise a family in a wholesome community.
I feel great about Black culture. There was initial support for rapist Bill Cosby. There used to be support for rapist R Kelly. There was some support for the guy who shot Megan Thee Stallion. The Black community no longer supports these thugs.
On the other hand, degenerative Conservative culture still supports sex offender, conman Donald Trump. All Hail Black culture!
Yes it is lack of married fathers, because slut-jerk guys enjoy sex without marriage and without accepting the responsibilities of being a married father. And the sluts prefer sex without commitment, without love, rather than no sex before marriage.
Vocabulary.com says it’s an insult and wrong to shame such women for their private sex lives, since it’s no else’s business. But the raising of kids by sluts is why it’s Black boys without fathers, OR male teachers, who have such criminal behavior-aka bastards.
The AA brain-drain of all the most admirable Black men out of.Black majority school districts has made it worse, as has many govt programs.
BTW, "Thug" is a code word for nigger. The word thug was created by the British when they occupied India. It specifically referred to those Indians who rose up against their oppressor. Therefore, the colonists who rose up against the British were thugs. Anti-woke is anti-black.
I was an employer in the skilled trades for nearly four decades, before I retired. My business was in a mixed city. For all those years, it was excruciatingly difficult to find employees who would show up for work every day and follow basic directions. Finding a truly skilled tradesperson was like looking for a needle in a haystack. It matters not who is black or White; it is the rare employee who consciously tried to make sure he earned the paycheck that he was getting.
All of the above is just preamble to saying that anyone who will show up every day on time and take their job seriously can get a job, and fairly quickly advance in that job. It is a cultural lie to state that "blacks can't get ahead in a White man's world." Yes, they certainly can. But it requires showing up for work every day and giving a damn. Do that, and you can have a very successful life, regardless of race.
I served on a board of a local high school's steering committee. Its purpose was to coordinate between students, teachers, administrators and neighborhood residents. The school is nearly entirely black. The board was about half black. One of the black members, a minister, talked of the lack of opportunity for blacks. I told him that the trades were screaming for good help and didn't care about anybody's race. I remember well how surprised he was to hear this. It's no secret. Why don't people know?
fordham has done a lot of work interviewing and documenting black stories in the bronx including people who lived in some of the fest projects. many of them say drugs is what turned safe communities into nightmares .
An unheralded great event occurred somewhere at some time around 2005. It became acceptable to look for reasons beyond white racism for disparities in life outcomes between whites and blacks. Yes, there was the Moynihan Report, but graduate students in sociology began looking for statistics that would confirm the prophecy.
In cases where there was a significant gap - such as incarceration - it was found that most of the differences could be explained by number of parents in the infant-toddler-youngster-teenagers' homes. Those with two parental figures did much better in that category plus education, employment, lifespan and most other outcomes. Mohnihan's prophecy had been borne out,
Winding up the weekend in Chicago we have 22 shot and 5 killed.
On a cheery note. When Wal-Mart reopens their store on Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. next May in Atlanta. The one that was burnt to the ground by the indigenous scholars. It will have a something quite unique for your shopping experience. A police substation inside the store!!!
This whole thing is reminding me of the Comanches raiding towns in Texas in years gone by.
Somehow the Texans were able to convince the Comanches to see the error of their ways without therapists, counseling or EBT cards.
John McWhorter is on the payroll of the Manhattan Institute, a mostly ultra-conservative white organization that was created during the same time the Heritage Foundation was formed. The issues in the inner cities are very complex. Chicago has a long history of discrimination, systemic racism, redlining, segregation, whites initiating race riots, corruption, etc.
There is lots of hopelessness living in very impoverished black areas. Many are convicted felons who have problems finding decent employment. Policies have been set up to bar them from government programs to assist them. Studies have shown that white felons have done better than non-black felons in securing a descent jobs. I personally conversed with a white ex-con who bragged about selling drugs in black communities and how he set up a successful business. Another one bragged about the same thing and related he worked for his father's business.
John grew up in a bubble, never worrying about getting food in his stomach and experiencing fighting off rats while trying to sleep. His parents had more than enough resources to give him a very protective life growing up. My parents couldn't afford to send me to private schools or give me a head start in other areas. I worked 48 hours a week to put myself through college. John?
I grow tired of hearing these negative narratives about black folks. I can put together a historical horror show about white mob violence. Not too long ago, we had a large white mob stormed the Capitol building. People were killed and seriously injured. Numerous police officers were forever psychologically damaged and committed suicide. Shit was smeared in the building, and most likely, the black janitorial staff cleaned up the filth. These scumbags probably came mostly from two-parent households and we're probably once considered pillars of their communities.
At the end of the day, there are black activists on the streets fighting gangs and trying to minimize the self-black hate. I grew up with friends who had single-family households, and most became productive citizens. John's children are a product of a failed marriage. 50% of marriages do not last. PEW did a study showing black men, despite not being in the household, spend more time with their children than other groups.
On my prison caseload, I had a disproportionate number of white fathers molesting their children with moms looking the other way, not believing the victim.
I lived in Chicago if the late 60's early 70's and my walk to work took me close to Cabrini Greens which even then was a ghetto in the worse sense of the word. I talked to some older black people who told me how nice it was when they first moved in some years before but even then it had deteriorated to the point that it was totally unlivable. As a white person, I couldn't figure out why the men AND women who lived there didn't get together and keep the place up themselves without waiting for the government to do it for them. Why did they allow their children to vandalize and destroy the place they lived. It was the 60's and so I too decided it was poverty and slavery and no jobs and it was the government's job to fix it all . The government didn't of course and CG came down and I think has been replaced by luxury condos but that may be false information - I have been gone a long time. BUt Chicago has only gotten worse
I now live in Mexico where there is a great deal of poverty but the streets are clean - everyone is working at something and most of the men at really hard labor - - people are picking up trash - washing windows -washing cars, sweeping the streets etc. Some entrepreneurs even entertain on the buses or direct traffic since traffic lights are few and traffic is terrible. I don't want to make Mexico seen like nirvana - the cartels thrive and I hear from the older Mexicans that young people are changing and not for the better. But there is a cultural difference. Religion here is still VERY important and children through teens are involved in the many religious rites that are ubiquitous. I don't have the answer but something is very wrong in the urban Black community and there is a strong need for community leadership which alas, doesn't seem to be there. The Rev. Sharpton isn't the answer.
So me and a friend often argue over what caused gender ideology. This is a trans man, who transitioned in the early 2000s. He says the answer is obviously feminism. The philosophical view that the sexes are absolutely equal, and the only differences between gender are patriarchal stereotypes opens the door to angel headed spectrums and complete relativism regarding gender. We have to hold this in the same hand as female empowerment, and citizenship, which is hard to argue as a bad thing. Can’t simply say it’s bad or evil.
Is it too simple to say this reading could be applied to race regarding civil rights? This is a view I have heard on this show before.
Hate to be that guy but, this is as good as it gets.
Those of you out there that think you can really change this, might I suggest you go to the local animal shelter and take home a feral cat and see what it is like to try to domesticate it.
These acts of mob violence, looting, random shootings, along with the scholastic scores in their schools might explain why some areas hung on to segregation for as long as they did. Now that would be a hell of a discussion.
thank you for covering a topic that most don't want to address. They pretend it isn't an issue. But common sense tells you it is. Bless you. Keep it coming
The documentary "The Rise of America's Most Powerful Teacher's Union" is worth a watch for 57 mins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQ81mGucvs
There has been a battle for power between democrats in Chicago for some time now. Conservatives don't make an appearance at all in the film, this is democrat vs. democrat in their own words. It doesn't explain "mob actions" specifically, but it's all part of the puzzle. If there is an absence of fathers and/or faith/clergy, it's more important than ever that politicians, teachers, police, etc. provide the right message for these kids.
Certainly the absence of the “father of five” (perhaps by three different mothers of five), the breakdown of the patriarchal structure of the Black family that began with the Great Migration (from circa 1916 to approximately 1970) of Black laboring classes from the rural South to the Industrial North, as described by Daniel Patrick Moynihan in the so-termed ‘Monihan report’ of 1965, has been of critical importance to the rise of militant alienation of Black youth. Large numbers of Black males, of successive generations, have had inadequate male role models or have lacked the perceived necessity of parenthood within the nuclear family as integral to the concept of manhood. It may be pointed out that this phenomenon is not peculiar to Black culture but is a drift in norms across society. It is however pronounced in communities of predominantly lower socioeconomic status, of which Blacks are disproportionately represented.
Young people, especially young men, will seek ‘heroic’ expression of enthusiasm and inclusion in group dynamics. Lacking attachment to the ethos of the reigning society they will seek alternative outlets. Lacking positive role models supportive of social norms or positive alternatives to a system seen as pejorative to their interest, they will express themselves in negative opposition to the status quo, will build identities consistent with anti-establishmentarian premises. This tendency is weaponized by those in positions of influence and authority who seek their own advantage and is abetted by well-intentioned progressives by the promotion of the cult of victimhood and portrayal of our polyglot, pluralistic society as irredeemably racist and inimical to Black youths’ ambitions for pride of place. While vitally important, it is not sufficient for communities to build ladders to the middle class in absence of the desire of individuals to employ those ladders, but who seek fulfillment in solidarity of opposition to the very concept of integration within the larger society.
The necessary and proper response of social institutions to criminality, or “mobs” of any stripe is intolerance of such behavior, rather than apologetic encouragement from politicians peddling pablum to constituencies seeking absolution by way of self-immolation, visiting on themselves retribution for the sin of not being under-privileged; and of law abiding Blacks who support the party line as sympathetic to their tribe, when in reality said politicians and apologists are incompatible with their interest of security, of the right to raise a family in a wholesome community.
I feel great about Black culture. There was initial support for rapist Bill Cosby. There used to be support for rapist R Kelly. There was some support for the guy who shot Megan Thee Stallion. The Black community no longer supports these thugs.
On the other hand, degenerative Conservative culture still supports sex offender, conman Donald Trump. All Hail Black culture!
Yes it is lack of married fathers, because slut-jerk guys enjoy sex without marriage and without accepting the responsibilities of being a married father. And the sluts prefer sex without commitment, without love, rather than no sex before marriage.
Vocabulary.com says it’s an insult and wrong to shame such women for their private sex lives, since it’s no else’s business. But the raising of kids by sluts is why it’s Black boys without fathers, OR male teachers, who have such criminal behavior-aka bastards.
The AA brain-drain of all the most admirable Black men out of.Black majority school districts has made it worse, as has many govt programs.
Love=sex+commitment. Not just orgasm.
Discussion of culture and parental responsibility is not and has not been permitted in Chicago. To everyone's detriment, especially the kids'. https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053882701/mcdonalds-ceo-chris-kempczinski-text-message-chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot
BTW, "Thug" is a code word for nigger. The word thug was created by the British when they occupied India. It specifically referred to those Indians who rose up against their oppressor. Therefore, the colonists who rose up against the British were thugs. Anti-woke is anti-black.
I was an employer in the skilled trades for nearly four decades, before I retired. My business was in a mixed city. For all those years, it was excruciatingly difficult to find employees who would show up for work every day and follow basic directions. Finding a truly skilled tradesperson was like looking for a needle in a haystack. It matters not who is black or White; it is the rare employee who consciously tried to make sure he earned the paycheck that he was getting.
All of the above is just preamble to saying that anyone who will show up every day on time and take their job seriously can get a job, and fairly quickly advance in that job. It is a cultural lie to state that "blacks can't get ahead in a White man's world." Yes, they certainly can. But it requires showing up for work every day and giving a damn. Do that, and you can have a very successful life, regardless of race.
I served on a board of a local high school's steering committee. Its purpose was to coordinate between students, teachers, administrators and neighborhood residents. The school is nearly entirely black. The board was about half black. One of the black members, a minister, talked of the lack of opportunity for blacks. I told him that the trades were screaming for good help and didn't care about anybody's race. I remember well how surprised he was to hear this. It's no secret. Why don't people know?
fordham has done a lot of work interviewing and documenting black stories in the bronx including people who lived in some of the fest projects. many of them say drugs is what turned safe communities into nightmares .
An unheralded great event occurred somewhere at some time around 2005. It became acceptable to look for reasons beyond white racism for disparities in life outcomes between whites and blacks. Yes, there was the Moynihan Report, but graduate students in sociology began looking for statistics that would confirm the prophecy.
In cases where there was a significant gap - such as incarceration - it was found that most of the differences could be explained by number of parents in the infant-toddler-youngster-teenagers' homes. Those with two parental figures did much better in that category plus education, employment, lifespan and most other outcomes. Mohnihan's prophecy had been borne out,
Winding up the weekend in Chicago we have 22 shot and 5 killed.
On a cheery note. When Wal-Mart reopens their store on Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. next May in Atlanta. The one that was burnt to the ground by the indigenous scholars. It will have a something quite unique for your shopping experience. A police substation inside the store!!!
This whole thing is reminding me of the Comanches raiding towns in Texas in years gone by.
Somehow the Texans were able to convince the Comanches to see the error of their ways without therapists, counseling or EBT cards.
If the shit hits the fan in this country, what's McWorther's backup plan? Refuge at his 2nd home in New Zealand? Lol!
John McWhorter is on the payroll of the Manhattan Institute, a mostly ultra-conservative white organization that was created during the same time the Heritage Foundation was formed. The issues in the inner cities are very complex. Chicago has a long history of discrimination, systemic racism, redlining, segregation, whites initiating race riots, corruption, etc.
There is lots of hopelessness living in very impoverished black areas. Many are convicted felons who have problems finding decent employment. Policies have been set up to bar them from government programs to assist them. Studies have shown that white felons have done better than non-black felons in securing a descent jobs. I personally conversed with a white ex-con who bragged about selling drugs in black communities and how he set up a successful business. Another one bragged about the same thing and related he worked for his father's business.
John grew up in a bubble, never worrying about getting food in his stomach and experiencing fighting off rats while trying to sleep. His parents had more than enough resources to give him a very protective life growing up. My parents couldn't afford to send me to private schools or give me a head start in other areas. I worked 48 hours a week to put myself through college. John?
I grow tired of hearing these negative narratives about black folks. I can put together a historical horror show about white mob violence. Not too long ago, we had a large white mob stormed the Capitol building. People were killed and seriously injured. Numerous police officers were forever psychologically damaged and committed suicide. Shit was smeared in the building, and most likely, the black janitorial staff cleaned up the filth. These scumbags probably came mostly from two-parent households and we're probably once considered pillars of their communities.
At the end of the day, there are black activists on the streets fighting gangs and trying to minimize the self-black hate. I grew up with friends who had single-family households, and most became productive citizens. John's children are a product of a failed marriage. 50% of marriages do not last. PEW did a study showing black men, despite not being in the household, spend more time with their children than other groups.
On my prison caseload, I had a disproportionate number of white fathers molesting their children with moms looking the other way, not believing the victim.
I lived in Chicago if the late 60's early 70's and my walk to work took me close to Cabrini Greens which even then was a ghetto in the worse sense of the word. I talked to some older black people who told me how nice it was when they first moved in some years before but even then it had deteriorated to the point that it was totally unlivable. As a white person, I couldn't figure out why the men AND women who lived there didn't get together and keep the place up themselves without waiting for the government to do it for them. Why did they allow their children to vandalize and destroy the place they lived. It was the 60's and so I too decided it was poverty and slavery and no jobs and it was the government's job to fix it all . The government didn't of course and CG came down and I think has been replaced by luxury condos but that may be false information - I have been gone a long time. BUt Chicago has only gotten worse
I now live in Mexico where there is a great deal of poverty but the streets are clean - everyone is working at something and most of the men at really hard labor - - people are picking up trash - washing windows -washing cars, sweeping the streets etc. Some entrepreneurs even entertain on the buses or direct traffic since traffic lights are few and traffic is terrible. I don't want to make Mexico seen like nirvana - the cartels thrive and I hear from the older Mexicans that young people are changing and not for the better. But there is a cultural difference. Religion here is still VERY important and children through teens are involved in the many religious rites that are ubiquitous. I don't have the answer but something is very wrong in the urban Black community and there is a strong need for community leadership which alas, doesn't seem to be there. The Rev. Sharpton isn't the answer.
So me and a friend often argue over what caused gender ideology. This is a trans man, who transitioned in the early 2000s. He says the answer is obviously feminism. The philosophical view that the sexes are absolutely equal, and the only differences between gender are patriarchal stereotypes opens the door to angel headed spectrums and complete relativism regarding gender. We have to hold this in the same hand as female empowerment, and citizenship, which is hard to argue as a bad thing. Can’t simply say it’s bad or evil.
Is it too simple to say this reading could be applied to race regarding civil rights? This is a view I have heard on this show before.
Hate to be that guy but, this is as good as it gets.
Those of you out there that think you can really change this, might I suggest you go to the local animal shelter and take home a feral cat and see what it is like to try to domesticate it.
These acts of mob violence, looting, random shootings, along with the scholastic scores in their schools might explain why some areas hung on to segregation for as long as they did. Now that would be a hell of a discussion.
thank you for covering a topic that most don't want to address. They pretend it isn't an issue. But common sense tells you it is. Bless you. Keep it coming