About that free speech thing, an ABC reporter asked the then nominee for Speaker of the House why he voted against certifying the 2020 elections. The free speech Republicans standing next to the then nominee shouted “Shut Up” and laughed at her. This man is the new Speaker. Free speech for me, but not for thee.
As usual, fascinating and nuanced, Glenn. The Q&A was, indeed, particularly refreshing with regard to no one apparently being "afraid" to ask questions on both sides of an issue. The first commenter made some strong points, and yet, his central premise, "that America exists because of Black people" is itself an apparent confrontation of what should be the ideal. That ideal is, or (maybe) should be, focused on all of us, versus "this group" or "that group" vying for superiority, regardless of metric--oppression, excellence, etc. Another questioner used an interesting term, "racial essentialism." with which I was unfamiliar, but which almost immediately hit a nerve. It has always struck me that race was, basically, a made-up descriptor, something that historically has no "real" predictive or otherwise value. And yet, it is (and has been, at least in many parts of the West) focused upon vigorously. I am not a person who believes we will approach a "post-racial society." And yet, when I deal with a person, I want them to focus on me, not my blackness, my tallness, my slimness, or the fact that I like to wear a nice hat. At the same time, contra the old saw, a book is often, and frankly, sometimes accurately, judgable by its cover. On the other hand--and I use that phraseology despite not being an economist--sometimes, sometimes, the cover doesn't (and shouldn't) mean that much. "Content of my character..." and all that. I love the point-of-view, "hopeful about evolving in that direction."
Edited to ad: To my great shock, I disagree, violently with Glenn when he asserts that mass incarceration does not have an element of racism. I think the subject, like many, contains some complexity, but if the US incarcerates way more people per capita than does any other Western nation--which it does--one has to ask if there cannot also be other factors at work. Race could easily be one.
Dr. Loury has a tendency to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Glenn came back to the conservative side because he felt very lonely (per his past comments). He tried to mix it up with black moderates, but they didn't trust him because of his past ultra-conservative lunacy (black-white supremacy). Conservatism is unequivocally anti-black, and Glenn is a double agent for white supremacy. It's so masochistic to continue crawling across the charred glass to appease white supremacy. It's very undignified.
Racism is a competitive relationship between groups for ownership and control of limited resources for wealth and power. Whites got the head start with genocide, black chattel slavery, colonization, and psychological warfare. I've extensively traveled around the world, where blacks are at the bottom of the European manufactured color caste system.
Blacks in Latin America, the second-largest black population after Africa, are treated like shit in Brazil. Those blacks who advocate for equity and equality in Brazil have been eliminated by white right-wing hit squads and silenced.
Whites have had their 500-year-old reign of terror, and the chickens are slowly coming home to roost. Empires come and go according to history, and America is in decay. What's Glenn Loury afraid of? Lol!
Glenn believes what he believes. The problem is that those using the label “Conservative” today are riding in a clown car. Three weeks in Conservatives can’t elect a Speaker of the House. When they fail, instead of taking personal responsibility, they blame Democrats for not saving them. MSM neglects to point out that no Republican voted for Nancy Pelosi.
Conservatives are also crashing and burning in England. No one believes Conservatives have the answer to any real world problem. They can’t tell the difference between climate and the whether. They call workers who ask for a living wage “lazy”. Listening to Conservatives rail about Woke this and Woke that is very amusing.
The only way they can win elections is by working to suppress the votes of young people and minorities. When they do gain power, they want authoritarian law.. DeSantis bans books and removes prosecutors. Huckabee Sanders bans Woke words to distract from her thievery. In Israel, Netanyahu wants to change the judiciary to hide his crimes. Conservatism is a farce.
It is nice that they have a site to console themselves. Here they can whine about the mote in the Progressive eye while ignoring the beam in their own.
Edit to add:
The picture of the Black Republican outside of Conservatives in academia is that most Black Conservatives can’t get elected in majority Black districts. Their image is tainted by reality. Herman Cain died following Conservative guidelines on COVID precautions. Diamond & Silk, Herschel Walker, Candace Owens, and Vernon Jones can be packaged as Amos & Andy 2.0. Byron Donalds is married to a board member of Moms For Liberty. They are riding the clown car.
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Daddy Bush had 10. Unemployed
Slowest job growth since the Great Depression
Inflation rose
Clinton improved things
22M new jobs
Inflation lowered
George the 2nd/McCain/Romney
800K jobs a month were lost
Auto industry in the dumps
Obama turned the economy around
Saved auto industry
Trump
Trump put his name on checks handed out to the public
The program was created by Pelosi and the Democrats
The democratic party is a sinking ship. I left California 4 years ago and relocated to a red state where my local and state income taxes were cut in half. California is a sanctuary state for undocumented Hispanics and anchor babies with unearned benefits, costing taxpayers billions of dollars. Undocumented Hispanics 50 years or older in California are now eligible for Medicaid. Jim Crow Joe Biden's open southern border policies are detrimental to black U.S. citizens, especially at the lower socioeconomic level.
One hundred and six billion dollars have been allocated to Ukraine which is a lost cause, and billions more are being allocated to Israel. Meanwhile, Inner cities are in decay with increased violent crime. HBCUs are greatly under-funded. Biden is losing support from the young blacks, Hispanics, and Arabs. The Arabs are pissed off in Michigan and are coalescing around not voting for him for president. He won Michigan the last time by a thin margin.
I'm a registered independent voter rationally looking out for my priorities on a quid pro quo basis.
The Presidential choice is going to be a Republican or a Democrat. Independent will not be a viable option. How are health care and education rated in your state versus California? The tax rate may be part of the reason age at mortality decreases by an average of 2 years in Red States.
Edit to add:
If Republicans get full power, they will try to make Black children into Diamond & Silk and Herschel Walker. They will sue any Black organization that specifically tries to help Blacks. See the Fearless Fund. They would have attacked Marva Collins and have no reason not to attack Robert Woodson.
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A federal judge rejecting voting maps tgat diluted the power of Black voters in Georgia
Voting is important to prevent Republicans from rigging the voting system. Republicans would not fund health studies that assessed the impact of discrimination.
Health care for me has been great in Georgia. My medical misdiagnosis in California was corrected in Georgia (avoided sepsis). Mortality rate? Lol! Moreover, the democratic party wants to put dresses on little black boys in schools in California.
Your results are your results. I don’t believe they are reproducible for an entire group of people. The mortality rate data is based on national observation.
On an individual basis, I am not that concerned about the 2024 election. I will protect my family from white supremacists. Where I am, I would be at higher risk from a shooter like the one in Buffalo or the recent one in Maine. I will protect my family.
Regarding Georgia, Blacks did not fare well during the height of the COVID pandemic
People in Georgia have choices... they can move to blue states like New York and California to get more free stuff. However, I don't see a second great black migration to the North or West. More people, including blacks, are moving out of California and New York to the South. 56 percent of the black population lives in the South and Southeast. The Asian and Hispanic populations are rapidly growing in the South. Hall County's Hispanic population outnumbers the black population. Hispanic and Korean businesses have rapidly expanded in metropolitan Atlanta. Many Africans are living here, one owns a gasoline station near me. And, I have African neighbors who are hard-working and very competitive. Native black culture issues? Rap: bitches... hoes ... crack... violence...
Black mortality rates involve numerous factors including lifestyle, lack of education, diet, prejudice, no daddy in the home, economics... violence. Statistically, you would be more vulnerable to black-on-black violence than white supremacist violence. I don't go to Atlanta unless I have to.
The white liberals in New York do not want black people to have firearms to protect themselves. They want to have all the guns pointed at your head to spend your hard-earned money. Lol!
I cherish my freedom, neither left-wing nor right-wing authoritarianism. I've traveled to communist countries wherein there's extreme anti-black racism. A black man living or visiting Cuba is constantly harassed by the police who are mainly white.
Can I suggest that you get bigger classrooms so you don't have to turn any students away? They need to hear what you have to say and to learn how to discuss sensitive topics without needing PTSD counseling.
Daily Kos Elections (which submitted 2 maps in this endeavor since the public was allowed to do so) did the best job of explaining the Alabama redistricting that I saw. Birmingham was always going to be in the 2nd District but the Alabama legislature wanted the 2nd District to include rural areas north of the "Black Belt" and near the border with Florida. The judge took those out and gave the 2nd District most of Mobile. So the resulting district is much more of a real community of interest because the rural voters haven't been used to dilute Democratic political power. These same shenanigans were done with the Nebraska 2nd which was a gettable electoral vote for Democrats. Glenn is being very idealistic in assuming that these very partisan (mostly Republican) state legislatures would create actual swing districts even if race was not a factor. The NC legislature was successful in creating every last Republican district they could last week (11-3 partisan lean in a purple state) and Missouri was one of the last to finish the original round of redistricting because some people in the legislature wanted to see if they could take Emanuel Cleaver's district in KC away leaving only 1 Democratic district in the entire state. (This did not happen.)
I am sure whatever Glenn & Co. said about Israel was fine but American politics is a very welcome distraction, and I think also for spouse who listened patiently to many stories about the speakership FUBAR.
Things are changing largely because we have a Supreme Court packed with Conservatives. The packing was aided by a Senate leader who obstructed a Democratic President from placing a nominee on the court.
There are active attempts by states no longer bound by pre-clearance to suppress Black and Latino votes.
Edit to add:
Republicans appear to believe in race. Republicans in multiple states are targeting majority minority voting districts to suppress votes. Hopefully, Glenn’s desire will not come true.
Things are a changing because we have an idiot as a President. As for voting, Republican’s could care less about suppressing votes or who votes or where they vote or who they vote for. That’s their business. Stop projecting liberal BS on Republicans.
Pretty soon it won’t matter what district any one votes in or where the lines are drawn. We will be 90% Hispanic/Latino if the terrorist loving Dems continue to be elected, unless of course we are ruled by Hamas or China thanks to the border and Biden.. Hispanics/Latino won’t vote Democrat and the black vote won’t matter (not enough of a population to compete with Hispanics) Hispanics/Latino will see the plan of the Dems real quick, they’ve already lived it.
"I could be on another planet. I might as well be an alien." That's the way I feel a lot of the time -- like a "thought criminal" in George Orwell's novel "1984". The fact that your ideas are considered outrageous by much of the "establishment" does not mean they're incorrect.
Delegitimizing the university as the repository of human knowledge is the only choice. Everything that is presently destroying our culture has originated in the university. They will not be backed up, or bend, return to a better time, their arrogance is astonishing. Witness the academics applauding Hamas. First, the value of a university education needs to be exposed for what it is.
The truth is the university is in the process of delegitimizing itself. Think of how many categories of learning they have wrecked in the last sixty years? English, philosophy, anthropology, rhetoric, architecture—now the hard sciences are babbling. And how many bogus "studies" departments that are not studies but advocacies?
The things that they produce are unreadable to average intelligent consumer of The New York Times. The contemporary literary novel is a pithole. And no matter what department, the bulk of their energy is devoted to envy and destroying the past, the very stepping stones they used to get to where they are.—The good ones who by stealth and force of will resist all this are in hiding and for good reason.
So why would someone truly want to send their child to such institutions, and offer up a not so small fortune for the pleasure of having their progeny return home unrecognizable? Why fund these factories when all the knowledge in the world resides in books that anyone can read? Why do we bother?
Perhaps one of your finest / bravest moments.
About that free speech thing, an ABC reporter asked the then nominee for Speaker of the House why he voted against certifying the 2020 elections. The free speech Republicans standing next to the then nominee shouted “Shut Up” and laughed at her. This man is the new Speaker. Free speech for me, but not for thee.
As usual, fascinating and nuanced, Glenn. The Q&A was, indeed, particularly refreshing with regard to no one apparently being "afraid" to ask questions on both sides of an issue. The first commenter made some strong points, and yet, his central premise, "that America exists because of Black people" is itself an apparent confrontation of what should be the ideal. That ideal is, or (maybe) should be, focused on all of us, versus "this group" or "that group" vying for superiority, regardless of metric--oppression, excellence, etc. Another questioner used an interesting term, "racial essentialism." with which I was unfamiliar, but which almost immediately hit a nerve. It has always struck me that race was, basically, a made-up descriptor, something that historically has no "real" predictive or otherwise value. And yet, it is (and has been, at least in many parts of the West) focused upon vigorously. I am not a person who believes we will approach a "post-racial society." And yet, when I deal with a person, I want them to focus on me, not my blackness, my tallness, my slimness, or the fact that I like to wear a nice hat. At the same time, contra the old saw, a book is often, and frankly, sometimes accurately, judgable by its cover. On the other hand--and I use that phraseology despite not being an economist--sometimes, sometimes, the cover doesn't (and shouldn't) mean that much. "Content of my character..." and all that. I love the point-of-view, "hopeful about evolving in that direction."
Edited to ad: To my great shock, I disagree, violently with Glenn when he asserts that mass incarceration does not have an element of racism. I think the subject, like many, contains some complexity, but if the US incarcerates way more people per capita than does any other Western nation--which it does--one has to ask if there cannot also be other factors at work. Race could easily be one.
Dr. Loury has a tendency to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Glenn came back to the conservative side because he felt very lonely (per his past comments). He tried to mix it up with black moderates, but they didn't trust him because of his past ultra-conservative lunacy (black-white supremacy). Conservatism is unequivocally anti-black, and Glenn is a double agent for white supremacy. It's so masochistic to continue crawling across the charred glass to appease white supremacy. It's very undignified.
Racism is a competitive relationship between groups for ownership and control of limited resources for wealth and power. Whites got the head start with genocide, black chattel slavery, colonization, and psychological warfare. I've extensively traveled around the world, where blacks are at the bottom of the European manufactured color caste system.
Blacks in Latin America, the second-largest black population after Africa, are treated like shit in Brazil. Those blacks who advocate for equity and equality in Brazil have been eliminated by white right-wing hit squads and silenced.
Whites have had their 500-year-old reign of terror, and the chickens are slowly coming home to roost. Empires come and go according to history, and America is in decay. What's Glenn Loury afraid of? Lol!
Glenn believes what he believes. The problem is that those using the label “Conservative” today are riding in a clown car. Three weeks in Conservatives can’t elect a Speaker of the House. When they fail, instead of taking personal responsibility, they blame Democrats for not saving them. MSM neglects to point out that no Republican voted for Nancy Pelosi.
Conservatives are also crashing and burning in England. No one believes Conservatives have the answer to any real world problem. They can’t tell the difference between climate and the whether. They call workers who ask for a living wage “lazy”. Listening to Conservatives rail about Woke this and Woke that is very amusing.
The only way they can win elections is by working to suppress the votes of young people and minorities. When they do gain power, they want authoritarian law.. DeSantis bans books and removes prosecutors. Huckabee Sanders bans Woke words to distract from her thievery. In Israel, Netanyahu wants to change the judiciary to hide his crimes. Conservatism is a farce.
It is nice that they have a site to console themselves. Here they can whine about the mote in the Progressive eye while ignoring the beam in their own.
Edit to add:
The picture of the Black Republican outside of Conservatives in academia is that most Black Conservatives can’t get elected in majority Black districts. Their image is tainted by reality. Herman Cain died following Conservative guidelines on COVID precautions. Diamond & Silk, Herschel Walker, Candace Owens, and Vernon Jones can be packaged as Amos & Andy 2.0. Byron Donalds is married to a board member of Moms For Liberty. They are riding the clown car.
2nd Edit to Add
Daddy Bush had 10. Unemployed
Slowest job growth since the Great Depression
Inflation rose
Clinton improved things
22M new jobs
Inflation lowered
George the 2nd/McCain/Romney
800K jobs a month were lost
Auto industry in the dumps
Obama turned the economy around
Saved auto industry
Trump
Trump put his name on checks handed out to the public
The program was created by Pelosi and the Democrats
We were supposed to be heading into a recession
Build Back Better helped turn things around
Conservatives killed the economy of Kansas
Conservatives are economic comedians
The democratic party is a sinking ship. I left California 4 years ago and relocated to a red state where my local and state income taxes were cut in half. California is a sanctuary state for undocumented Hispanics and anchor babies with unearned benefits, costing taxpayers billions of dollars. Undocumented Hispanics 50 years or older in California are now eligible for Medicaid. Jim Crow Joe Biden's open southern border policies are detrimental to black U.S. citizens, especially at the lower socioeconomic level.
One hundred and six billion dollars have been allocated to Ukraine which is a lost cause, and billions more are being allocated to Israel. Meanwhile, Inner cities are in decay with increased violent crime. HBCUs are greatly under-funded. Biden is losing support from the young blacks, Hispanics, and Arabs. The Arabs are pissed off in Michigan and are coalescing around not voting for him for president. He won Michigan the last time by a thin margin.
I'm a registered independent voter rationally looking out for my priorities on a quid pro quo basis.
The Presidential choice is going to be a Republican or a Democrat. Independent will not be a viable option. How are health care and education rated in your state versus California? The tax rate may be part of the reason age at mortality decreases by an average of 2 years in Red States.
Edit to add:
If Republicans get full power, they will try to make Black children into Diamond & Silk and Herschel Walker. They will sue any Black organization that specifically tries to help Blacks. See the Fearless Fund. They would have attacked Marva Collins and have no reason not to attack Robert Woodson.
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A federal judge rejecting voting maps tgat diluted the power of Black voters in Georgia
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/26/us/politics/georgia-voting-maps.html
A recent study links racial discrimination to physiologic changes that contribute to unhealthy eating habits
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/discrimination-may-lead-unhealthy-gut-brain-changes
Voting is important to prevent Republicans from rigging the voting system. Republicans would not fund health studies that assessed the impact of discrimination.
Health care for me has been great in Georgia. My medical misdiagnosis in California was corrected in Georgia (avoided sepsis). Mortality rate? Lol! Moreover, the democratic party wants to put dresses on little black boys in schools in California.
Your results are your results. I don’t believe they are reproducible for an entire group of people. The mortality rate data is based on national observation.
On an individual basis, I am not that concerned about the 2024 election. I will protect my family from white supremacists. Where I am, I would be at higher risk from a shooter like the one in Buffalo or the recent one in Maine. I will protect my family.
Regarding Georgia, Blacks did not fare well during the height of the COVID pandemic
https://www.msm.edu/RSSFeedArticles/2020/May/ga-counties-with-more-black-residents-higher-rates-covid-19.php
Maternal mortality rates are higher in pregnant Black women
https://www.axios.com/local/atlanta/2023/07/19/maternal-mortality-rates-georgia#
People in Georgia have choices... they can move to blue states like New York and California to get more free stuff. However, I don't see a second great black migration to the North or West. More people, including blacks, are moving out of California and New York to the South. 56 percent of the black population lives in the South and Southeast. The Asian and Hispanic populations are rapidly growing in the South. Hall County's Hispanic population outnumbers the black population. Hispanic and Korean businesses have rapidly expanded in metropolitan Atlanta. Many Africans are living here, one owns a gasoline station near me. And, I have African neighbors who are hard-working and very competitive. Native black culture issues? Rap: bitches... hoes ... crack... violence...
Black mortality rates involve numerous factors including lifestyle, lack of education, diet, prejudice, no daddy in the home, economics... violence. Statistically, you would be more vulnerable to black-on-black violence than white supremacist violence. I don't go to Atlanta unless I have to.
The white liberals in New York do not want black people to have firearms to protect themselves. They want to have all the guns pointed at your head to spend your hard-earned money. Lol!
I cherish my freedom, neither left-wing nor right-wing authoritarianism. I've traveled to communist countries wherein there's extreme anti-black racism. A black man living or visiting Cuba is constantly harassed by the police who are mainly white.
Thank you, Glenn!
You continue to give me hope.
Can I suggest that you get bigger classrooms so you don't have to turn any students away? They need to hear what you have to say and to learn how to discuss sensitive topics without needing PTSD counseling.
Great conversation, Glenn.
Daily Kos Elections (which submitted 2 maps in this endeavor since the public was allowed to do so) did the best job of explaining the Alabama redistricting that I saw. Birmingham was always going to be in the 2nd District but the Alabama legislature wanted the 2nd District to include rural areas north of the "Black Belt" and near the border with Florida. The judge took those out and gave the 2nd District most of Mobile. So the resulting district is much more of a real community of interest because the rural voters haven't been used to dilute Democratic political power. These same shenanigans were done with the Nebraska 2nd which was a gettable electoral vote for Democrats. Glenn is being very idealistic in assuming that these very partisan (mostly Republican) state legislatures would create actual swing districts even if race was not a factor. The NC legislature was successful in creating every last Republican district they could last week (11-3 partisan lean in a purple state) and Missouri was one of the last to finish the original round of redistricting because some people in the legislature wanted to see if they could take Emanuel Cleaver's district in KC away leaving only 1 Democratic district in the entire state. (This did not happen.)
I am sure whatever Glenn & Co. said about Israel was fine but American politics is a very welcome distraction, and I think also for spouse who listened patiently to many stories about the speakership FUBAR.
Things are changing largely because we have a Supreme Court packed with Conservatives. The packing was aided by a Senate leader who obstructed a Democratic President from placing a nominee on the court.
There are active attempts by states no longer bound by pre-clearance to suppress Black and Latino votes.
Edit to add:
Republicans appear to believe in race. Republicans in multiple states are targeting majority minority voting districts to suppress votes. Hopefully, Glenn’s desire will not come true.
Things are a changing because we have an idiot as a President. As for voting, Republican’s could care less about suppressing votes or who votes or where they vote or who they vote for. That’s their business. Stop projecting liberal BS on Republicans.
Pretty soon it won’t matter what district any one votes in or where the lines are drawn. We will be 90% Hispanic/Latino if the terrorist loving Dems continue to be elected, unless of course we are ruled by Hamas or China thanks to the border and Biden.. Hispanics/Latino won’t vote Democrat and the black vote won’t matter (not enough of a population to compete with Hispanics) Hispanics/Latino will see the plan of the Dems real quick, they’ve already lived it.
"I could be on another planet. I might as well be an alien." That's the way I feel a lot of the time -- like a "thought criminal" in George Orwell's novel "1984". The fact that your ideas are considered outrageous by much of the "establishment" does not mean they're incorrect.
Delegitimizing the university as the repository of human knowledge is the only choice. Everything that is presently destroying our culture has originated in the university. They will not be backed up, or bend, return to a better time, their arrogance is astonishing. Witness the academics applauding Hamas. First, the value of a university education needs to be exposed for what it is.
The truth is the university is in the process of delegitimizing itself. Think of how many categories of learning they have wrecked in the last sixty years? English, philosophy, anthropology, rhetoric, architecture—now the hard sciences are babbling. And how many bogus "studies" departments that are not studies but advocacies?
The things that they produce are unreadable to average intelligent consumer of The New York Times. The contemporary literary novel is a pithole. And no matter what department, the bulk of their energy is devoted to envy and destroying the past, the very stepping stones they used to get to where they are.—The good ones who by stealth and force of will resist all this are in hiding and for good reason.
So why would someone truly want to send their child to such institutions, and offer up a not so small fortune for the pleasure of having their progeny return home unrecognizable? Why fund these factories when all the knowledge in the world resides in books that anyone can read? Why do we bother?