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Cliff TO's avatar

Glenn,

I am a fan of your work. I am Jewish. I do not for a moment believe you are antisemitic or ant-Israel. I think you should be comfortable speaking your mind. Indeed, that's why we listen to you. Also, I think you are quite wrong about this particular issue. Perhaps I am delusional (probably so), but I believe I could convince you that you are incorrect, and as an honest person you would be open to being convinced. Though I don't imagine you'll read this, I will share some thoughts:

1 - Why do you use the word "indiscriminate" when referring to the actions of the IDF? I am not a military expert, so I seek out the opinion of people who are experienced experts in warfare. Your friend Noam recently spoke to John Spencer, a foremost expert in urban warfare. He, and many other genuine experts who have fought in such wars relate the fact that the combatant to non-combatant death ratio is the same or lower than any other urban war in history. This is an incredible accomplishment, given that Hamas has spent nearly 20 years building hundreds of miles of tunnels beneath hospitals and schools and mosques making the task of killing fighters and not civilians harder than in any other war, ever. And that the IDF takes greater measures and precautions than any other military in human history, including dropping leaflets, roof knocks, humanitarian corridors, phone calls etc. So - the word indiscriminate seems wholly inaccurate. Don't you agree? Please explain.

2 - Still, taking precautions does not prevent the horrors of war, nor does it prevent terrible accidents. The IDF is a well-trained army, but it is made up of many 18-21 year-olds who would rather be studying in school or starting families. They, like all soldiers in all wars throughout history, do make tragic mistakes. Sometimes even killing the very people they are risking their lives to save (see the 3 hostages killed in error by IDF a few months ago). If you were an Israeli, how would you feel about sending your son or daughter into Gaza to eliminate Hamas and free hostages ranging from 1 years old to 86 years of age? Glenn - they raped little girls. They murdered Israeli children and parents. I am not talking about revenge - but Israel must make sure this cannot happen again. That task is not yet complete.

3 - As someone with family in Israel, I would prefer the IDF go after Hamas from 35,000 feet rather than risking the lives of these 18-21 year old boys and girls, but in an effort to reduce civilian casualties, Israelis are taking greater risks with their youth who are forced to fight this war. I see a constant feed of beautiful, young, talented Israelis (some white, some black, some Christian, some Muslim and most Jewish) killed in action in Gaza. The people of Israel, the families and parents and children of these soldiers did not ask for this war. They would rather be doing anything else, but October 7 made it clear that they have no choice in the matter.

4 - We all want to distinguish between Hamas and the Palestinians. The sad truth is that the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas and the murder, rape and kidnapping of Israelis on October 7th. This is not a hostage situation; the Palestinian people in Gaza support Hamas, elected Hamas and would probably elect them again if given a chance. The Palestinians have chosen to raise their children on hate from birth. Hatred of Jews, hatred of Israelis, hatred of the United States and the West. Their schools and media and Government and influencers and mothers and fathers and nearly everyone else believe it is good to kill Jews. It makes you a hero. Every poll ever taken in Gaza, the West Bank, and every Muslim country on earth shows that virulent antisemitism is nearly universal within their populations. And this is not a new phenomenon. It has been this way for 1400 years and Muslim pogroms both in Israel and throughout the Muslim world have clearly demonstrated this fact for anyone paying attention.

5 - Yes, there are many left wing useful idiots on campus and beyond. There are also many many antisemites being inculcated in the Western world. Muslim immigration is a big part of this. I know - you don't want to see this - but this too is fact. Add to that the rape deniers/outright antisemites like Briahna Joy Grey, to useful idiots like Susan Sarandon - the future looks bleak for Jews in the West. In the end of the day, Israel may be the safest place for us soon.

6 - You keep saying that IDF action in Gaza is creating more hostility towards Israel. I am sure that's true. But does it matter if you drown in a pool that is 100 feet deep versus 120 feet deep? You're dead either way. Leaving Hamas in power is a recipe for more antisemitism and Jew hate as they control schools and media and all of society, and do all they can to create an unlimited supply of suicide bombers and people dreaming of more dead Jews. They must be eliminated now.

7 - I could go on forever, but a few last points:

- What about the hostages? They are still there!!! Girls, boys, the elderly and even toddlers?

- How can the IDF be going too far when rockets are STILL BEING FIRED from Gaza into Israeli towns!

- Hundreds of thousands of Israelis still can't go home because the rockets are still falling.

- One indicator of antisemitism is holding Jews/Israel to a different standard than anyone else. You are not an antisemite - but are you sure you're not doing that very thing too?

The Israeli govt's first responsibility is to its people. They must address these issues now. Their popularity around the world is a secondary problem for another day.

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Theo's avatar

What choice does Israel have - leave Hamas to exist? Could you please elaborate your solution?

What would you to do if your neighbor kills your children and swears to kill all your family?

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