To say that Black Americans benefited from two hundred fifty years of chattel slavery plus one hundred years of American racial terror & apartheid which followed emancipation would be worse than a stretch: that would be truly an abomination; the trans-Atlantic & trans-Saharan slave trades plus the deprivations of European colonialism wrecked havoc with Sub-Saharan African societies. Black Americans have only had something like full participation in the American Dream for 60yrs and we literally had to "crash the party" Black Conservatives tend to minimize that struggle and that history
Black Americans, such as my ancestor , John Collins, served in the Union Army along with a total of 200,000 other Black men during the Civil War. 15-20% of these soldiers were KILLED IN ACTION(KIA). So Black people were full participants in their/our own liberation. Lincoln and the Republican party were NOT abolitionists - they were free-soil advocates who wanted to maintain the primacy of "free(White) labor. Lincoln signed the District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act - which ended slavery in DC by paying slaveowners $300 per enslaved person that the former owner emancipated under this act. Former enslaved persons received $100 each if said person promised to leave the USA preferably for Liberia or any place but here. Frederick Douglass and other Black Abolitionists protested strongly and effectively to sink Lincoln's "Back to Africa" schemes.
Where to start! Our country was one of the last nations in to emancipate its enslaved humans. France, the British Empire , South American republics, etc. all freed their enslaved Black people before the USA. Now the French forced Haiti to pay reparations to the former slave owners(Napoleon re-established slavery briefly) the British paid reparations to the Slaveowners and forced the newly freed Black folk to work as unpaid indentured servants for five years post slavery, etc. However, USA, Brazil, and Cuba were the last slave owning societies to free their Black folk
And I think that all of my remarks about Trump being fundamentally out for petty vengeance have been proved 100% right. Joe Biden didn't direct his administration to find some kind of criminal conduct for people who worked for him and told him he was wrong.
Clearly I had to write something but had a huge stack of emails to get through with the 3-day yom tov.
I think given that the United States was relatively late to abolish slavery and the British did it 30 years before us even with paying compensation defining the United States by emancipation is a little overstated. I think Glenn has confounded defining the United States by emancipation with "in no other established country on earth is the civil rights movement even possible" which I might agree with. The CRM did take inspiration from Gandhi and other decolonization movements which by definition were not in an established country.
I read Charles Mills's "The Racial Contract" almost exactly at the time of the election (I stayed up late on election night until about 2 am with Chapter 2) and became a Charles Mills person essentially on the spot because everything I had read supported the idea that there is the liberal social contract and the shadow racial contract where race puts you outside of the rights that the liberal contract could give you. It puts you under suspicion about whether you deserve those rights or not. It is not either opportunity or plunder; it's both. Often the people who have the greatest opportunity are exploited for the symbolic resources that they can give the idea of general white benevolence even if they do not arbitrarily lose their job or their house. Despite the complete aggravation I had with "Scenes of Subjection" I went on to read "Lose Your Mother" because Saidiya Hartman said that the idea of the afterlife of slavery was really developed in that book and liked it (and her) much better. Saidiya Hartman is in her early 60s and told the story of how her mother would tell her kids that they could do absolutely everything but the world was full of dangers and not to trust the police.
Glen, while you're at this, will you please do something to lower the black Americans kill ratio. Even getting it down the the Hispanic level would really help.
Yes, because at the present time, whites are a majority of the population.
However, if you look at the ratio of population to killings, you might notice that 12.7% of our population is responsible for over 55% of the murders. And if you drill down further, you will see that of the 12.7%, it is about 2.7% (black males between 15 and 39) who are responsible for most of the homicides in America today.
What I find most troubling about the article's reasoning is that there is no acknowledgment that slavery was untenable due to humanity's fundamental nature and that it is impossible to maintain a stable society with a large enslaved population—evidenced by the numerous rebellions across North and South America. Rather, it is the notion that the emancipation of slaves resulted from white charity and enlightenment. This implication suggests that black slaves possessed an inherent inferiority that made them suitable for slavery.
It is equally disturbing to propose that our mission in life revolves around proving to white people that we deserve the freedom they supposedly granted us, rather than recognizing freedom as an expected condition of being human. Furthermore, discussing our position in relation to Africans in other parts of the world without referencing colonialism is disingenuous and completely overlooks the actual historical reality of the African continent.
Thanks. They want people who enslaved others to be honored and recognized as men of their time. Simultaneously, the want to erase the full history of Black people in the United States because it is “divisive”. Michael Harriott wrote a humorous take on Black history, “Black AF History, that is appropriate for this time. Blacks are never going to be “good” enough to meet Conservative criteria to be human.
The developing Sahel Confederacy is rejecting the United States and Europeans. Similarly Caribbean nations like Barbados re also distancing themselves. Many nations are demanding repayment from England and France for money demanded after nations fought for freedom.
Discussions on reparations always focus on the hardship of slavery. Dr. Loury's focus on the post emancipation period is provocative and welcome as a counterpoint. Anyone that has spent time in sub-Saharan Africa can appreciate that America is indeed the best nation on earth for the descendants of former slaves. African Americans have equality of opportunity. Descendants of slaves in Africa continue to be seen by their countrymen as inferior. Missing completely from the discussion of reparations, however, is a comparison of what life was like for free whites. How many white immigrants admired that slaves worked 5.5 days a week. That shelter, and food were provided, and that because slaves had value, this moderated how they were treated, punished, and what jobs they would be given, Dangerous jobs were for free whites and preferably new immigrants willing to do anything for survive. Compare NYC tenement living where sewage littered the streets with 19th century plantation living. Compare working in a swaetshop 100 hours a week to 45-55 hours a week, outside harvest season. The argument to this is, but they were free. First you can't eat freedom, and second they were not free from racism, which was often heinous. Review the history of Catholics in America: Irish, Italian, and Poles. Or the history of Jews. It's true that the first generation of these immigrants concealed the history of racism in America but they had come to America to flee racism, which was more severe and even deadly. In America, dealing with racism took pereverence,thick skin, and working extra hours.
However, these immigrants concealed their bad treatement in America to their children. They wanted them to focus on becoming educated,self-reliant, hard working, speaking English, and steering clear of trouble. Magically "racism" began fading for their children. Still, if the nation is contemplating reparations for sins to American ancestors, we need to consider all people that endured what today are considered to be unconscionable hardships.
How many white immigrants admired that slaves worked 5.5 days a week. That shelter, and food were provided, and that because slaves had value, this moderated how they were treated, punished, and what jobs they would be given,
Laughable
Read “In the Shadow of Slavery: African Americans in New York City, 1626-1863“. The book is sold at the Tenement Museum.
Visit the Adrian Burial Ground. The slaves in NYC had limited spaces where they could be buried. 1863 was the date of the Draf Riots. I seriously doubt European immigrants envied enslaved Blacks
This is an interesting experience. I was trying to understand the Conservative thought process, but all I find is concrete thought. DuBois pointed out that Blacks were considered a problem. Most posters here cannot image a Black person succeeding and thriving if they do not share their concrete thought process.
They can rationalize preserving Confederate monuments but viewing Black museums and history as divisive. All success has t be Eurocentric.
Herschel Walker, Diamond and Silk, etc are to be celebrated.
My subscription is scheduled to end soon, but I may renew because their rice cake rationales are so amusing. They think name-calling hurts me personally. All it does is confirm my opinion of them.
Loury focuses on Black shortcomings and avoids discussing the incompetence we see in the Trump administration. He wanted to see things shaken up. I am reminded of Conservative hero CK Chesterton
There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.”
In its most concise version, Chesterton’s Fence states the following:
“Do not remove a fence until you know why it was put up in the first place.”
Emancipation is a roman word for the transition of a child from parental control and adolescence, to full adulthood. This is identical to the term used for freeing of Hebrew slaves by Moses.
The opinions of people like Robert Redd are relevant but only to remind people of the IQ gap problem. Glenn Loury is smart and erudite, he argues with facts and articulates his points with objectivity. Robert Redd shoots from the hip and is almost always subjective. If the USA had more Glenn Loury's and a lot less Robert Redd's the debate about reparations would not arise. Fortunately people like Devory Darkins totally overshaddow people like Robert Redd.
I provide links to support many of my comments. Where have I discussed reparations?
I hadn’t heard of Devory Darkins. From his Twitter site, it appears he is an anti-vaxxer and believes J6 was a hoax. I can see why you like him.
If you are doing personal attacks, I’ve won the argument. I’m arguing with people who are unable to understand the Emancipation Proclamation. They also want Confederate imagery on government land to preserve history, but object to a Black museum on Smithsonian grounds. I’m feeling vindicated.
"A Black museum on Smithsonian grounds" for the most privilaged group of mixed colour blacks on Earth. Africa has poor blacks that are far more deserving of help and recognition. I suggest that all the Robert Redd types give up their priviliged US citizenship and return to Africa to help the underprivileged and blacks. I don't think Robert Redd has ever lived or visited central or southern Africa. If he had he wouldn't bloviate about non-existent prejudice.
The museum sends an inspiring message about how an ethnic group overcame challenges. Blacks are unique in that they were enslaved and subsequently faced Jim Crow Laws. It is a message of triumph. There are issues to deal with here in the United States. No need to travel to Africa to make statement about the United States. Are Blacks forbidden from criticizing the United States in your view?
You are not making a rational argument.
Edit to add:
Your free speech right allows you to suggest that I go back to Africa
My free speech right allows me to support funding the Black Smithsonian
There are charities that provides me one mechanism to support the museum if Trump succeeds in decreasing funding.
Patriotism is the bridge needed to connect the Black community to the most powerful collective brain in history — the Western traditions we helped build. Societies and the individuals within them thrive when their knowledge base is vast. Isolation leads to stagnation or decline and can be seen by looking at geographically separated cultures like Pacific Island groups. Why do hunter-gather groups still walk the earth? Separation, the same separation preached by some of our Black community.
Resisting integration out of historical grievance or blaming racism for failures owed to raising our kids outside the family unit only holds us back.
Thanks! You are presenting us with an essential discussion.
We are not your Black community. What is the evidence Blacks are not patriotic? The current administration is the one trying to remove patriots like Jackie Robinson, Medgar Evers, the Tuskegee Airmen, etc from the Department of Defense.
Black directors and actors took pride in telling the story of the Tuskegee Airmen, the 6888 Mail Battalion, Black women mathematicians who worked for NASA, etc.
The Black patriotism argument is a strawman argument.
Visit the WW2 museum in New Orleans and you will find a nice exhibit about the Tuskegee Airmen and plenty of displays about black soldiers more generally.
Glenn et al.: The British shipped African slaves to plantations in the Caribbean. Did they bring any enslaved Africans to Britain itself? When the Brits allowed blacks from the Commonwealth to enter Britain in significant numbers (1950s) they met a hostile reaction from the likes of Enoch Powell. BTW: Swedish sociologists like Gunnar Myrdal became world famous for their analysis of Jim Crow - I saw him on Meet the Press or Face the Nation where he lectured Americans on our racism whereas Sweden was oh so egalitarian. Then significant numbers of African immigrants (and black American soldiers fleeing the War in Vietnam) arrived and racism reared its ugly head in Sweden and the lectures stopped. I'm not smart enough to figure out the answer but there may be some sociological phenomenon at work.
Aaron Robertson's "The Black Utopians" has a chapter about how Glanton Dowdell got asylum in Sweden and was a left-wing cause celebre because he had been a radical union leader but doesn't take the story up to the African immigrants
It states here that Emancipation was a Western idea, an American idea. Yet slavery was abolished in England in 1834. Did it not take the US longer to abolish slavery?
Nationally, yes, but several of the original states (per Google - By 1789, five of the Northern states had policies that started to gradually abolish slavery: Pennsylvania (1780), New Hampshire and Massachusetts (1783), Connecticut and Rhode Island (1784). Vermont abolished slavery in 1777, while it was still independent.) abolished slavery either before or shortly after the formation of the United States. The US ended the importation of new slaves in 1801, as provided in the Constitution, about a decade before Britain forbade any British subjects from engaging in slave trade. So it's a mixed bag.
I agree almost entirely with your perspective, but as I am celebrating Passover and the freeing of the Hebrew slaves, I do think that the Jewish story played some role in thinking about emancipation. Certainly, the Reverend Martin Luther King and many of the nation's founders were influenced by this biblical story. See the work of Rabbi Meir Soleveichik, for example, on the influence on the founders https://meirsoloveichik.com/speeches-conversations/promised-lands-the-torah-and-the-american-founding/ and his course. Be well, Glenn.
To say that Black Americans benefited from two hundred fifty years of chattel slavery plus one hundred years of American racial terror & apartheid which followed emancipation would be worse than a stretch: that would be truly an abomination; the trans-Atlantic & trans-Saharan slave trades plus the deprivations of European colonialism wrecked havoc with Sub-Saharan African societies. Black Americans have only had something like full participation in the American Dream for 60yrs and we literally had to "crash the party" Black Conservatives tend to minimize that struggle and that history
Black Americans, such as my ancestor , John Collins, served in the Union Army along with a total of 200,000 other Black men during the Civil War. 15-20% of these soldiers were KILLED IN ACTION(KIA). So Black people were full participants in their/our own liberation. Lincoln and the Republican party were NOT abolitionists - they were free-soil advocates who wanted to maintain the primacy of "free(White) labor. Lincoln signed the District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act - which ended slavery in DC by paying slaveowners $300 per enslaved person that the former owner emancipated under this act. Former enslaved persons received $100 each if said person promised to leave the USA preferably for Liberia or any place but here. Frederick Douglass and other Black Abolitionists protested strongly and effectively to sink Lincoln's "Back to Africa" schemes.
Where to start! Our country was one of the last nations in to emancipate its enslaved humans. France, the British Empire , South American republics, etc. all freed their enslaved Black people before the USA. Now the French forced Haiti to pay reparations to the former slave owners(Napoleon re-established slavery briefly) the British paid reparations to the Slaveowners and forced the newly freed Black folk to work as unpaid indentured servants for five years post slavery, etc. However, USA, Brazil, and Cuba were the last slave owning societies to free their Black folk
And I think that all of my remarks about Trump being fundamentally out for petty vengeance have been proved 100% right. Joe Biden didn't direct his administration to find some kind of criminal conduct for people who worked for him and told him he was wrong.
Clearly I had to write something but had a huge stack of emails to get through with the 3-day yom tov.
I think given that the United States was relatively late to abolish slavery and the British did it 30 years before us even with paying compensation defining the United States by emancipation is a little overstated. I think Glenn has confounded defining the United States by emancipation with "in no other established country on earth is the civil rights movement even possible" which I might agree with. The CRM did take inspiration from Gandhi and other decolonization movements which by definition were not in an established country.
I read Charles Mills's "The Racial Contract" almost exactly at the time of the election (I stayed up late on election night until about 2 am with Chapter 2) and became a Charles Mills person essentially on the spot because everything I had read supported the idea that there is the liberal social contract and the shadow racial contract where race puts you outside of the rights that the liberal contract could give you. It puts you under suspicion about whether you deserve those rights or not. It is not either opportunity or plunder; it's both. Often the people who have the greatest opportunity are exploited for the symbolic resources that they can give the idea of general white benevolence even if they do not arbitrarily lose their job or their house. Despite the complete aggravation I had with "Scenes of Subjection" I went on to read "Lose Your Mother" because Saidiya Hartman said that the idea of the afterlife of slavery was really developed in that book and liked it (and her) much better. Saidiya Hartman is in her early 60s and told the story of how her mother would tell her kids that they could do absolutely everything but the world was full of dangers and not to trust the police.
Glen, while you're at this, will you please do something to lower the black Americans kill ratio. Even getting it down the the Hispanic level would really help.
Whites commit the majority of murders in the United States.
Yes, because at the present time, whites are a majority of the population.
However, if you look at the ratio of population to killings, you might notice that 12.7% of our population is responsible for over 55% of the murders. And if you drill down further, you will see that of the 12.7%, it is about 2.7% (black males between 15 and 39) who are responsible for most of the homicides in America today.
Side note: You can't fix this.
So you don’t think it’s a good idea to go after those white folks who are killing all those other white folks?
I believe it's a very good idea to go after them.
And if I was in a boat with holes in it, I would endeavor to plug the big one first.
Makes sense, doesn't it?
So you want to go after the whites killing all those good white people?
I agree.
Which hole in the boat would you plug 1st?
What I find most troubling about the article's reasoning is that there is no acknowledgment that slavery was untenable due to humanity's fundamental nature and that it is impossible to maintain a stable society with a large enslaved population—evidenced by the numerous rebellions across North and South America. Rather, it is the notion that the emancipation of slaves resulted from white charity and enlightenment. This implication suggests that black slaves possessed an inherent inferiority that made them suitable for slavery.
It is equally disturbing to propose that our mission in life revolves around proving to white people that we deserve the freedom they supposedly granted us, rather than recognizing freedom as an expected condition of being human. Furthermore, discussing our position in relation to Africans in other parts of the world without referencing colonialism is disingenuous and completely overlooks the actual historical reality of the African continent.
Thanks. They want people who enslaved others to be honored and recognized as men of their time. Simultaneously, the want to erase the full history of Black people in the United States because it is “divisive”. Michael Harriott wrote a humorous take on Black history, “Black AF History, that is appropriate for this time. Blacks are never going to be “good” enough to meet Conservative criteria to be human.
The developing Sahel Confederacy is rejecting the United States and Europeans. Similarly Caribbean nations like Barbados re also distancing themselves. Many nations are demanding repayment from England and France for money demanded after nations fought for freedom.
Discussions on reparations always focus on the hardship of slavery. Dr. Loury's focus on the post emancipation period is provocative and welcome as a counterpoint. Anyone that has spent time in sub-Saharan Africa can appreciate that America is indeed the best nation on earth for the descendants of former slaves. African Americans have equality of opportunity. Descendants of slaves in Africa continue to be seen by their countrymen as inferior. Missing completely from the discussion of reparations, however, is a comparison of what life was like for free whites. How many white immigrants admired that slaves worked 5.5 days a week. That shelter, and food were provided, and that because slaves had value, this moderated how they were treated, punished, and what jobs they would be given, Dangerous jobs were for free whites and preferably new immigrants willing to do anything for survive. Compare NYC tenement living where sewage littered the streets with 19th century plantation living. Compare working in a swaetshop 100 hours a week to 45-55 hours a week, outside harvest season. The argument to this is, but they were free. First you can't eat freedom, and second they were not free from racism, which was often heinous. Review the history of Catholics in America: Irish, Italian, and Poles. Or the history of Jews. It's true that the first generation of these immigrants concealed the history of racism in America but they had come to America to flee racism, which was more severe and even deadly. In America, dealing with racism took pereverence,thick skin, and working extra hours.
However, these immigrants concealed their bad treatement in America to their children. They wanted them to focus on becoming educated,self-reliant, hard working, speaking English, and steering clear of trouble. Magically "racism" began fading for their children. Still, if the nation is contemplating reparations for sins to American ancestors, we need to consider all people that endured what today are considered to be unconscionable hardships.
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How many white immigrants admired that slaves worked 5.5 days a week. That shelter, and food were provided, and that because slaves had value, this moderated how they were treated, punished, and what jobs they would be given,
Laughable
Read “In the Shadow of Slavery: African Americans in New York City, 1626-1863“. The book is sold at the Tenement Museum.
https://shop.tenement.org/product/in-the-shadow-of-slavery-african-americans-in-new-york-city-1626-1863/
Visit the Adrian Burial Ground. The slaves in NYC had limited spaces where they could be buried. 1863 was the date of the Draf Riots. I seriously doubt European immigrants envied enslaved Blacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Burial_Ground_National_Monument
I am sure white immigrants envied black families having their families sold at the whim of masters, mass rape, castration and forced breeding
This is an interesting experience. I was trying to understand the Conservative thought process, but all I find is concrete thought. DuBois pointed out that Blacks were considered a problem. Most posters here cannot image a Black person succeeding and thriving if they do not share their concrete thought process.
They can rationalize preserving Confederate monuments but viewing Black museums and history as divisive. All success has t be Eurocentric.
Herschel Walker, Diamond and Silk, etc are to be celebrated.
My subscription is scheduled to end soon, but I may renew because their rice cake rationales are so amusing. They think name-calling hurts me personally. All it does is confirm my opinion of them.
Loury focuses on Black shortcomings and avoids discussing the incompetence we see in the Trump administration. He wanted to see things shaken up. I am reminded of Conservative hero CK Chesterton
There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.”
In its most concise version, Chesterton’s Fence states the following:
“Do not remove a fence until you know why it was put up in the first place.”
https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/
Elon Musk comes along with a chainsaw and they cheer. Conservatives/ Republicans have no principles except to gain power by oppressing others.
Emancipation is a roman word for the transition of a child from parental control and adolescence, to full adulthood. This is identical to the term used for freeing of Hebrew slaves by Moses.
The opinions of people like Robert Redd are relevant but only to remind people of the IQ gap problem. Glenn Loury is smart and erudite, he argues with facts and articulates his points with objectivity. Robert Redd shoots from the hip and is almost always subjective. If the USA had more Glenn Loury's and a lot less Robert Redd's the debate about reparations would not arise. Fortunately people like Devory Darkins totally overshaddow people like Robert Redd.
I provide links to support many of my comments. Where have I discussed reparations?
I hadn’t heard of Devory Darkins. From his Twitter site, it appears he is an anti-vaxxer and believes J6 was a hoax. I can see why you like him.
If you are doing personal attacks, I’ve won the argument. I’m arguing with people who are unable to understand the Emancipation Proclamation. They also want Confederate imagery on government land to preserve history, but object to a Black museum on Smithsonian grounds. I’m feeling vindicated.
"A Black museum on Smithsonian grounds" for the most privilaged group of mixed colour blacks on Earth. Africa has poor blacks that are far more deserving of help and recognition. I suggest that all the Robert Redd types give up their priviliged US citizenship and return to Africa to help the underprivileged and blacks. I don't think Robert Redd has ever lived or visited central or southern Africa. If he had he wouldn't bloviate about non-existent prejudice.
The museum sends an inspiring message about how an ethnic group overcame challenges. Blacks are unique in that they were enslaved and subsequently faced Jim Crow Laws. It is a message of triumph. There are issues to deal with here in the United States. No need to travel to Africa to make statement about the United States. Are Blacks forbidden from criticizing the United States in your view?
You are not making a rational argument.
Edit to add:
Your free speech right allows you to suggest that I go back to Africa
My free speech right allows me to support funding the Black Smithsonian
There are charities that provides me one mechanism to support the museum if Trump succeeds in decreasing funding.
Your nonsensical suggestion has zero impact.
I truly hope that ruins your day.
There is no Black patriotism problem. There is a lack of knowledge about Blacks who served in the military.
Oops! Meant to write, "Patriotism is the bridge to merge...."
Patriotism is the bridge needed to connect the Black community to the most powerful collective brain in history — the Western traditions we helped build. Societies and the individuals within them thrive when their knowledge base is vast. Isolation leads to stagnation or decline and can be seen by looking at geographically separated cultures like Pacific Island groups. Why do hunter-gather groups still walk the earth? Separation, the same separation preached by some of our Black community.
Resisting integration out of historical grievance or blaming racism for failures owed to raising our kids outside the family unit only holds us back.
Thanks! You are presenting us with an essential discussion.
We are not your Black community. What is the evidence Blacks are not patriotic? The current administration is the one trying to remove patriots like Jackie Robinson, Medgar Evers, the Tuskegee Airmen, etc from the Department of Defense.
Black directors and actors took pride in telling the story of the Tuskegee Airmen, the 6888 Mail Battalion, Black women mathematicians who worked for NASA, etc.
The Black patriotism argument is a strawman argument.
Visit the WW2 museum in New Orleans and you will find a nice exhibit about the Tuskegee Airmen and plenty of displays about black soldiers more generally.
This post does not address the DOD’s actions to remove photos from agency websites.
Glenn et al.: The British shipped African slaves to plantations in the Caribbean. Did they bring any enslaved Africans to Britain itself? When the Brits allowed blacks from the Commonwealth to enter Britain in significant numbers (1950s) they met a hostile reaction from the likes of Enoch Powell. BTW: Swedish sociologists like Gunnar Myrdal became world famous for their analysis of Jim Crow - I saw him on Meet the Press or Face the Nation where he lectured Americans on our racism whereas Sweden was oh so egalitarian. Then significant numbers of African immigrants (and black American soldiers fleeing the War in Vietnam) arrived and racism reared its ugly head in Sweden and the lectures stopped. I'm not smart enough to figure out the answer but there may be some sociological phenomenon at work.
Aaron Robertson's "The Black Utopians" has a chapter about how Glanton Dowdell got asylum in Sweden and was a left-wing cause celebre because he had been a radical union leader but doesn't take the story up to the African immigrants
It states here that Emancipation was a Western idea, an American idea. Yet slavery was abolished in England in 1834. Did it not take the US longer to abolish slavery?
Nationally, yes, but several of the original states (per Google - By 1789, five of the Northern states had policies that started to gradually abolish slavery: Pennsylvania (1780), New Hampshire and Massachusetts (1783), Connecticut and Rhode Island (1784). Vermont abolished slavery in 1777, while it was still independent.) abolished slavery either before or shortly after the formation of the United States. The US ended the importation of new slaves in 1801, as provided in the Constitution, about a decade before Britain forbade any British subjects from engaging in slave trade. So it's a mixed bag.
I agree almost entirely with your perspective, but as I am celebrating Passover and the freeing of the Hebrew slaves, I do think that the Jewish story played some role in thinking about emancipation. Certainly, the Reverend Martin Luther King and many of the nation's founders were influenced by this biblical story. See the work of Rabbi Meir Soleveichik, for example, on the influence on the founders https://meirsoloveichik.com/speeches-conversations/promised-lands-the-torah-and-the-american-founding/ and his course. Be well, Glenn.
Soloveichik has a recent article in The Free Press that is absolutely brilliant.
https://www.thefp.com/p/america-and-the-exodus
It's hard to say whether Moses story was influential - did the Founders cite this? Did Lincoln? Did the British?