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Stephanie Lepp didn't understand affirmative action well enough to apply integral theory to it. Glenn said that affirmative action on net is harming African Americans right now. Stephanie didn't appear to understand what Glenn was saying.

Stephanie also lacked the courage to apply integral theory to sexual/gender liberation in the islamic world as Glenn asked her to do.

For example many islamic countries use to have more lbgtq+ rights and diversity than the USA, Canada and Europe have today. In a very short period of time girls, woman and lbgtq+ have massively lost rights and freedom, including over the last generation. And she doesn't appear to know how to discuss the mass slaughter of lbgtq+ going on as we speak right now, including in Afghanistan, Gaza, Somalia and many other countries. When Gaza was ruled by the Ottoman Turkish empire until 1918 homosexuality was decriminalized and allowed. The massive recent regression of lgbtq+ rights and woman's rights in Gaza is in large part caused by the nonmuslim world, including not limited to the global nonmuslim woke, backing extreme sunni islamists against liberal muslims.

Afghanistan use to be far more liberal and progressive on girls and lbgtq+ than the USA and Europe are right now. What is happening in Afghanistan right now hasn't happened in 8 thousand years. Now for the first time girls cannot go to school. Many of the main Afghan thought leaders, scientistists, mathemeticians and artists use to be woman in the past. Now that is all gone. And Stephanie appears to be too scared to place this in an integral framework.

Stephanie confused me by implying that slavery was wrong. If she really believed this, wouldn't she say that slavery is widely practiced globally and expanding? Wouldn't Stephanie express concern about this and at the very least say she didn't know how to prevent to expansion of slavery via extreme islamism, Al Qaeda, Daesh etc.

In a future conversation, it might be useful for Stephanie to discuss ONE issue she understands in great depth and apply integral theory to it (maybe letting Glenn know this ONE topic in advance so that Glenn could research it enough to have a high resolution discussion.) It would probably take her an hour to discuss this ONE topic, if she is really applying integral theory to it.

I also didn't understand what Stephanie meant by saying 28 minutes 42 seconds in that "we can can actually be less empirical sometimes and just more strategic." Can Stephanie give a specific example?

In my view Glenn might be the best living economist at discursively and non quantitatively explaining concepts. Does anyone practice what Stephanie is suggesting better than Glenn?

I would love to see Glenn interview guests on integral theory, consciousness, science spirituality intersection and how to use these modalities to increase broadly defined physical health, broadly defined mental health, broadly defined intelligence, "relations before transactions" for the general population, which would sharply increase global total factor productivity, the marginal product of labor and the marginal product of capital.

I would say that integral theory can be used in a way that is very high resolution, precise and data driven. Or in a way that is very "empirical" to use Stephanie's language.

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