Glenn Loury
The Glenn Show
Tabia Lee – An Ex-DEI Director Speaks Out

Tabia Lee – An Ex-DEI Director Speaks Out


This week, my guest is Tabia Lee, the now former assistant professor and director of the Office of Equity, Social Justice, and Multicultural Education at De Anza Community College. Shortly after being hired by De Anza, Tabia found that her expansive view of diversity, equity, and inclusion was not welcome at the school, where a narrow and divisive conception of DEI held sway. After facing pushback and outright hostility from her colleagues, she was unceremoniously fired. Tabia’s experience demonstrates the grimly ironic results of a small-minded, intolerant, and fanatical concept of DEI that has actually committed itself to uniformity, inequality, and exclusion.

In our conversation, Tabia tells me about her journey from teaching gifted translingual students to earning a PhD in education. After pushing through a tough academic job market, she landed a position at De Anza, where the trouble started almost immediately. Her attempts to alert colleagues to campus antisemitism only made things worse, as she found that the only “identity” categories they were willing to accept was BIPOC and white, oppressor and oppressed. Despite being black herself, she was accused of “whitesplaining, white thinking, and white supremacy.” Eventually she was fired from her position, but she and her ideas have found a home in the nonprofit world, where she’s continuing her work.

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0:00 Tabia’s early career as a teacher

5:40 Tabia’s “rough ride” as a DEI director

17:06 The antisemitism problem at De Anza

25:25 The inescapable BIPOC binary

28:52 From disagreement to deplatforming

35:30 Why Tabia found support among students but not faculty

39:00 How attempts to silence Tabia backfired

40:54 Tabia’s broad vision of diversity

47:46 Learning from the medical professionals of Galilee

Recorded November 27, 2023

Links and Readings

Tabia’s New York Post piece, “I was a DEI director — DEI drives campus antisemitism”

Tabia’s Compact piece, “A Black DEI Director Canceled by DEI”

Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism

Do No Harm Medicine

Coalition for Empowered Education


Glenn Loury
The Glenn Show
Race, inequality, and economics in the US and throughout the world from Glenn Loury, Professor of Economics at Brown University and Paulson Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute