What is striking is the default of our colleges, both professors and students, is to abolish prisons. That is the starting point for the spiral of radicalism. An apparent silver lining is that snowflake conditioning through school and campus means that we don't have to worry about a Weather Underground any time soon. Instead, we just watch crybully psychopaths like Keisha rise to the top of our corrupted institutions - a consequence which is immeasurably worse than bombings and assassinations.
I think by now it is reasonable to believe that almost anyone , anywhere in America tossing out an accusation of "racism" is either a provocateur, a tool or a criminal and the least common actual motives are justice and equality.
48:55 There are many ironies in the situation Vincent Lloyd found himself. One that jumps out at me is that he seems unable to acknowledge that he allowed himself to be dominated by his students in a seminar that was supposed to be against domination. He can only babble about sensibilities and virtues and allies.
37:12 Lloyd is right that the drive to dominate others is a major flaw in human nature and those who desire justice should push against it. Perhaps classes discussing and studying domination make sense. Why are they called "Black Studies" and why is their scope so narrow? Why not study domination in general?
I didn't pay any attention to the title or anything before I started listening and I thought this was basically a debate between Loury/McWhorter and a random Black Studies professor. Did not see that M Night Shyamalan plot twist coming.
Keisha is an opportunist, not a victim. There are too many Keisha stories out there. Keishas terrorizing classrooms and -- dare I say it -- white people who are just doing their damned jobs. Indeed, one must stand up to Keisha and tell her to sit down. This is not something a white person can do without suffering unjust consequences. I have a few Keisha attacks under my belt; was just doing my job, got called the dreaded R word, and on and on it goes until people stop enabling this malignant narcissism. This nasty, hateful religion.
The piece Lloyd published on this is tragic. This toxic personality shut down all discussion, cowed her classmates into submission, and ran everyone out screaming. It was touching that some students contacted Lloyd online to say they did want to do the readings and discuss them. But of course they could not exhibit this desire in front of the toxic Keisha.
And in cities across this country, the Keishas are ruining education for everyone.
An anecdote from the mid 90's: the mentor for our teaching assistantship was a black woman. There were two white female TA's who fawned all over her, licking her boots, practically. Everything was black literature this, black literature that. I just sat there nodding at the spectacle of this obsequious bullshit. Then the black mentor came after me, in a high school roughing it up in the hall kind of way. Who the hell did I think I was for NOT worshipping her?
Ah, the 90s. I filed a complaint and she was reprimanded. Those were the last days of Rome.
would have been nice. I think a nasty fallout of this “empowerment by race” is the empowerment of abusive people like keisha the hun. We need to start teaching kids again to challenge this sort of thing. We’ve subjected too many generations to being gentle, deferential and afraid to challenge these narratives. Anyway - why these courses??? Grievance seminars pit whites against blacks. What’s wrong with teaching kids to be productive members of society?
I have a friend who teaches at a community college, he tells me about one student, a Keisha from the sounds of it who files formal complaints of racism when he tries to get her to turn in papers and work on time. Same when he doesn’t give her high marks for shoddy work. She probably would be successful in getting him fired from his job except he is of chinese heritage and has an additional layer of inter-sectionality on her as he’s gay. I honestly despair that affirmative action and diversity hiring is going to make people avoid anyone who is black in any position where they could possibly do damage.
Reading EP Thompson’s critique of Althusserian structuralism “The Poverty of Theory” started my wheels turning: So much of what we call woke or anti-racism DEI is rooted in a Marxist materialism of this sort, only social identity has replaced economic class.
The favored theory becomes the starting point and referee of what can be considered just and true, and all objections rooted in reason or experience are dismissed as “ideology” because it is supposed the structure makes reason and experience corrupt and unreliable.
Social structures determine identity, and identity determines consciousness, and neither reason nor experience can break the spell-- only the favored theory can reveal truth.
Whiteness, for example, is just an updated form of bourgeois class consciousness, and white supremacy is the base to the capitalist superstructure. There is nothing new in any of this, except it is being presented to the unsuspecting and naive as what it means to be educated and good.
Even history is subordinate to theory.
In short, the rhetorical game is fixed from the beginning: there is no point in debate because all disagreement is evidence of complicity in injustice, so all that is left to do is to submit and obey Theory.
When I read Professor Lloyd's account, I could only think of Robespierre suddenly finding himself on the scaffold with Sidney Carton and the young seamstress. How could he be lumped in with these enemies of Justice? Keisha is clearly not a victim, she is The Vengeance.
The absolute waste of intellect, effort, money and time in holding these seminars is a travesty. They could have used that seminar to explore topics that developed their ability to be productive rather than crystallize a grievance mindset that will poison society and condition them to have toxic adversarial relationships with non-POC. What result is the objective of this?
I read this and the article in Compact beforehand. My view is Vincent for what he so richly deserves because he has been teaching students that they are oppressed and victims and he still continues to do so by saying Keisha is a victim. What BS. Blacks are victims of black crime in overwhelmingly numbers; victims of atrocious education due to black politicians and teachers; and victims of father-less kids and households because of black men bailing out, and victims of poor work and study because of black affirmative action policies that favor those who don’t work or study as hard as those who don’t qualify for those legal biases.
Change "black politicians and teachers" to "corrupted politicians and incompetent deadwood teachers of all races", and "black affirmative action policies" to "white racist pseudo-liberal affirmative action policies", and I agree with you...
Loury fans might like this: https://michaelmohr.substack.com/p/george-orwells-politics-and-the-english
Yes. This is fantastic news. The snake eats its own tail.
Michael Mohr
‘Sincere American Writing’
https://michaelmohr.substack.com/
What is striking is the default of our colleges, both professors and students, is to abolish prisons. That is the starting point for the spiral of radicalism. An apparent silver lining is that snowflake conditioning through school and campus means that we don't have to worry about a Weather Underground any time soon. Instead, we just watch crybully psychopaths like Keisha rise to the top of our corrupted institutions - a consequence which is immeasurably worse than bombings and assassinations.
I think by now it is reasonable to believe that almost anyone , anywhere in America tossing out an accusation of "racism" is either a provocateur, a tool or a criminal and the least common actual motives are justice and equality.
And here folks is an interesting new twist on the culture/racism front:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/26/white-student-sues-historically-black-college-howard-university-for-2m-over-racial-discrimination/
Given the current state of affairs, not that surprising, really.
Telluride failed those students. And the teacher should have called them on that.
48:55 There are many ironies in the situation Vincent Lloyd found himself. One that jumps out at me is that he seems unable to acknowledge that he allowed himself to be dominated by his students in a seminar that was supposed to be against domination. He can only babble about sensibilities and virtues and allies.
I don't think the 'woke' are ready to have the conversation about how they have met the enemy...
Authoritarians never want to have the conversation.
37:12 Lloyd is right that the drive to dominate others is a major flaw in human nature and those who desire justice should push against it. Perhaps classes discussing and studying domination make sense. Why are they called "Black Studies" and why is their scope so narrow? Why not study domination in general?
I didn't pay any attention to the title or anything before I started listening and I thought this was basically a debate between Loury/McWhorter and a random Black Studies professor. Did not see that M Night Shyamalan plot twist coming.
Keisha is an opportunist, not a victim. There are too many Keisha stories out there. Keishas terrorizing classrooms and -- dare I say it -- white people who are just doing their damned jobs. Indeed, one must stand up to Keisha and tell her to sit down. This is not something a white person can do without suffering unjust consequences. I have a few Keisha attacks under my belt; was just doing my job, got called the dreaded R word, and on and on it goes until people stop enabling this malignant narcissism. This nasty, hateful religion.
The piece Lloyd published on this is tragic. This toxic personality shut down all discussion, cowed her classmates into submission, and ran everyone out screaming. It was touching that some students contacted Lloyd online to say they did want to do the readings and discuss them. But of course they could not exhibit this desire in front of the toxic Keisha.
And in cities across this country, the Keishas are ruining education for everyone.
An anecdote from the mid 90's: the mentor for our teaching assistantship was a black woman. There were two white female TA's who fawned all over her, licking her boots, practically. Everything was black literature this, black literature that. I just sat there nodding at the spectacle of this obsequious bullshit. Then the black mentor came after me, in a high school roughing it up in the hall kind of way. Who the hell did I think I was for NOT worshipping her?
Ah, the 90s. I filed a complaint and she was reprimanded. Those were the last days of Rome.
I wonder what might have happened if several classmates had told Keisha to sit down and shut up.
would have been nice. I think a nasty fallout of this “empowerment by race” is the empowerment of abusive people like keisha the hun. We need to start teaching kids again to challenge this sort of thing. We’ve subjected too many generations to being gentle, deferential and afraid to challenge these narratives. Anyway - why these courses??? Grievance seminars pit whites against blacks. What’s wrong with teaching kids to be productive members of society?
I have a friend who teaches at a community college, he tells me about one student, a Keisha from the sounds of it who files formal complaints of racism when he tries to get her to turn in papers and work on time. Same when he doesn’t give her high marks for shoddy work. She probably would be successful in getting him fired from his job except he is of chinese heritage and has an additional layer of inter-sectionality on her as he’s gay. I honestly despair that affirmative action and diversity hiring is going to make people avoid anyone who is black in any position where they could possibly do damage.
Good read
Reading EP Thompson’s critique of Althusserian structuralism “The Poverty of Theory” started my wheels turning: So much of what we call woke or anti-racism DEI is rooted in a Marxist materialism of this sort, only social identity has replaced economic class.
The favored theory becomes the starting point and referee of what can be considered just and true, and all objections rooted in reason or experience are dismissed as “ideology” because it is supposed the structure makes reason and experience corrupt and unreliable.
Social structures determine identity, and identity determines consciousness, and neither reason nor experience can break the spell-- only the favored theory can reveal truth.
Whiteness, for example, is just an updated form of bourgeois class consciousness, and white supremacy is the base to the capitalist superstructure. There is nothing new in any of this, except it is being presented to the unsuspecting and naive as what it means to be educated and good.
Even history is subordinate to theory.
In short, the rhetorical game is fixed from the beginning: there is no point in debate because all disagreement is evidence of complicity in injustice, so all that is left to do is to submit and obey Theory.
When I read Professor Lloyd's account, I could only think of Robespierre suddenly finding himself on the scaffold with Sidney Carton and the young seamstress. How could he be lumped in with these enemies of Justice? Keisha is clearly not a victim, she is The Vengeance.
Bingo.
The absolute waste of intellect, effort, money and time in holding these seminars is a travesty. They could have used that seminar to explore topics that developed their ability to be productive rather than crystallize a grievance mindset that will poison society and condition them to have toxic adversarial relationships with non-POC. What result is the objective of this?
I also read the article in Compact previously ... and I will pop some popcorn and sit back, watch, and enjoy.
I read this and the article in Compact beforehand. My view is Vincent for what he so richly deserves because he has been teaching students that they are oppressed and victims and he still continues to do so by saying Keisha is a victim. What BS. Blacks are victims of black crime in overwhelmingly numbers; victims of atrocious education due to black politicians and teachers; and victims of father-less kids and households because of black men bailing out, and victims of poor work and study because of black affirmative action policies that favor those who don’t work or study as hard as those who don’t qualify for those legal biases.
Change "black politicians and teachers" to "corrupted politicians and incompetent deadwood teachers of all races", and "black affirmative action policies" to "white racist pseudo-liberal affirmative action policies", and I agree with you...
How dare you not completely agree with me; did I mention that I am a black trans pregnant gay woman with a hearing disability?