In my city, there are tons of high paying jobs for people willing to take on some extra training. An A/C guy came into my house and told me he was an convicted felon but he had straightened out. He said his 19 y.o. son was making 1500 dollars a week doing construction and renovation work. He was doing well after starting work in HVAC area. Neither went to college or needed long years of training. I asked why the ghettos had not been drained of poverty. Especially in my city of 3% unemployment for the last 30 or 40 years. Some of these high paying jobs are snatched up by hard working and Soanish speaking people. It's actually better to speak Spanish than English if you want to work construction, etc. But a healthy young person born in America could easily learn how to use a nail gun and start getting paid way more than the 15 they pay at the restaurant. But many of these boys grew up with real guns instead. Or, their Single Mom's never handed them a hammer and drywall. They're strong enough for football much of the time but scared of a power drill handed to them by Carlos's cousin from El Salvador, who was making 5 dollars a day and now a thousand a week, driving a nice truck, making the young black man wonder, why am I poor? My black homeboy asked me when we're still teens. Why do all the construction jobs go to Mexicans? They didn't, but most did, despite ut being a very black town at that time. A white boy told me around the same time that he knew of jobs where you watch black men working road construction, and that the government gave you money for doing nothing. That's another clue. Blacks prefer government jobs, fast food, retail, and office. The huge money rain has been coming from private construction and other trade jobs. I mean just billions and billions as people search desperately for people to build homes or install a home office.
One reason we laugh at posts like this is because we are keenly aware of the gaslighting. The Black community as a whole is never going to meet your shifting standards. One argument made is that high achieving Black students are ridiculed for “acting white”. The idea that academics is held in low esteem is because Black students are in an environment where they see those with their skin color punished more harshly than their white peers for the same offense.
They look at the real world and see mediocre whites praised more than qualified Blacks. Look at the current Presidential cabinet and the military appointments. The problem is not the evil Left. The problem is the reactionary Right who shift criteria on a whim. A felon, adulterer, and sexual assaulter was overwhelmingly elected President by the Right. An attack on the Capitol is excused. A police officer who suffocated a man gets a flawed documentary suggesting his innocence.
We are amused because the last people who have moral authority are the people on the Right. The image of the bull entering a field of cows comes to mind when a Republican says, “I’m from the government and my policy is here to service you”.
We know Conservatives will yammer all day about Black people while everybody’s rights are stripped away. The gaslighting is obvious.
The thing is, we *are* the Democratic Party. It's crazy how Black Americans constitute a sizable share of Democratic elected and appointed officials at all levels of government, the party apparatus, and active constituency and yet people still speak as though we have zero involvement and ownership in the party itself. We are simply declaring what we believe works better for us; nobody is doing that on our behalf.
Meanwhile, you have the Republican Party whose argument basically boils down to "We're not racist for telling the blacks they're not intelligent enough to vote for Republicans which is in their best interests."
One reason I laugh at posts like this is because it is a distraction offered up by people who not support funding education. Trump appointed a Secretary of Wrastlin’ to lead the Department of Education. Glenn serves up repeated posts detailing the failure of the Black community.
The current administration is destroying education, healthcare, foreign relations and everything in its path while you sit on the sidelines. The one certified fact is that none of you will be part of the solution. You will be silent as people are plucked from the streets. It will be disappointing for you to realize that many Blacks are living their best lives even as RFK Jr tries to kill us in an intentional epidemic.
To be honest, many of us find classic European literature depressing. We enjoy tomes like John Hope Franklin’s “From Slavery to Freedom”, “Every Monument Will Fall” (the Oxford dons drank from the skull of an enslaved woman until 2015), “American Anti-Slavery Writings”, “Royal, Black, Elite”, “Black Phalanx” (Blacks in the War of 1812. We dabble in politics with “Hayek’s Bastards”, etc.
We wine and dine with Black professionals and watch as mediocre white men try to destroy democracy. We know you be silent on the assault. Some of us gain pleasure by offering responses to your policy positions. It does relieve boredom.
The method and ideas of BLM have not advanced as far as being accepted or helping Blacks. Conversely their methods of burning buildings, demonizing America and Whites and condemning police has had the opposite effect on Black violent deaths by increasing them. The positive effect of BLM is that Americans across the artificial divisions of race and ethnicity are fed up with their BS and identity politics. The proof of this is in the Nov 24 election.
Simply ask the following questions and you can get the answer… What prevented BLM from looking into how George Floyd got to be in the position to where something this tragic could happen in the first place? What impact could BLM have had if they focused on the importance of education and family structure and used their platform to develop and maintain strong messaging around these important factors to success? And finally, how did all the looting and violence make a positive impact on the communities where it took place? Bottom line, BLM is just another “ race hustler” to quote Robert Woodson and they missed a huge opportunity to influence positive outcomes
White conservatives on this blog keep quoting people like Robert Woodson or Thomas Sowell who seem to have absolutely zero influence on or in the Black Community. These guys mostly address , well, nonBlack people plus the small number of ideological Black right wingers
Curious as to how Joshua interprets the data that seems to show that black immigrants perform similar to whites and above native blacks (seems a big cultural effect?)
I think it would be good for the famous mantra, don’t have a child until you to graduate school, have a job, and are married (at least have a committed long-term partner.)
Aspirational immigrants (those immigrating primarily for opportunity and not primarily to escape deteriorating conditions in their native countries such as refugees or asylum-seekers) of all races/ethnicities tend to out-perform native-born Americans overall, Whites included. They tend to be positively selected for as a group and constitute the more accomplished members of society in their native countries.
It is hilarious to read the anti-Blackness that comes from posters at this site. The evil left is the problem. George Floyd is the problem. IQ is the problem.
Roland Fryer:
Fryer tapped 10 large data sets on children 8 months to 17 years old. He studied charter schools, scouring for standards that worked. He champions longer school days and school years, data-driven instruction, small-group tutoring, high expectations, and a school culture that prizes human capital — all just "a few simple investments," he wrote in the working paper. "The challenge for the future is to take these examples to scale" across the country.
How long would closing the gap take with a national commitment to do so? A best-practices experiment that Fryer conducted at low-achieving high schools in Houston closed the gap in math skills within three years, and narrowed the reading achievement gap by a third.
I have a ton of respect for Fryer's work, but the Apollo 20 program he led in Houston did not yield sustained results. Here are links to articles from The Houston Chronicle that illustrate the point:
HISD (Houston Independent School District) has struggled to close academic achievement gaps over the years, just like almost every school district in America. It was placed under state control two years ago:
The black-white skills gap was closing up until the late 1980's. Derek Neal at the University of Chicago documented this in a working paper ("Why Has Black-White Skills Convergence Stopped?") that was published by the National Bureau of Economic Research in 2005:
Neal didn't provide a definitive answer to the question raised by his paper. He suggested several potential causes. Here's the paper's Abstract:
All data sources indicate that black-white skill gaps diminished over most of the 20th century, but black-white skill gaps as measured by test scores among youth and educational attainment among young adults have remained constant or increased in absolute value since the late 1980s. I examine the potential importance of discrimination against skilled black workers, changes in black family structures, changes in black household incomes, black-white differences in parenting norms, and education policy as factors that may contribute to the recent stability of black-white skill gaps. Absent changes in public policy or the economy that facilitate investment in black children, best case scenarios suggest that even approximate black-white skill parity is not possible before 2050, and equally plausible scenarios imply that the black-white skill gap will remain quite significant throughout the 21st century.
A rigorous and honest evaluation of all the factors Neal mentioned needs to be done.
I couldn't open all the links but the Apollo program was stopped after a few years and the black-white gap in math re-emerged. Apparently the gap in reading wasn't changed much at all despite the Apollo program. Also the school day was lengthened and more school days were added during the program. Students with lower IQs would do better putting in more hours of academic work. There's an IQ gap of 15 points between Blacks and whites which is the most logical explanation for the gaps.
Get these kids reading at a 6th grade level (assuming they then achieve basic literacy) and then steer them into vocational-focused high school settings. They can then get a head start in learning high demand skills such as carpentry and construction, electrical work, millwright, welding, air conditioning, plumbing / pipefitting, etc. Vocational-focused secondary education is gaining ground in the U.S., and has been a long-term tradition in Europe; home to the world’s best and highest paid craftsmen. Also craft education can largely negate racial IQ disparities.
Derek Neal's paper showed that the skills gap would have closed by now if the trends that were in place going in to the late 1980's had persisted. That suggests that something other than genetics contributed to the gap.
There's a conversation to be had about how both nature and nurture determine cognitive abilities. I wrote a post for TGS last year that covers this:
SES is both an antecedent and opportunity factor in your linked post. SAT scores in 2005-Black students from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had average scores 10 points below the average scores of white students from families with incomes below $10,000. Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had SAT scores that were 61 points above Blacks whose family incomes were between $80,000 and $100,000. There are also statistics showing white boys raised in households with the same incomes as Black boys -at every level are much less likely to be incarcerated.
You've mixed a couple of metrics (e.g., SAT scores, likelihood of incarceration) and didn't provide links for the numbers you cited, so I can only respond with generalities.
Skills development is a complex process that involves a lot of factors. The framework I provided included 11 factors, but didn't include things like culture and family structure, Melissa Kearney's book, "The Two-Parent Privilege" documents the effects that living in two-parent household have upon kids, especially boys. Richard Reeves at Brookings and Brad Wilcox at the Institute for Family Studies have shown similar impacts. The late John Ogbu noted the importance of culture in his book, "Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb - A study of Academic Disengagement."
Add up all of the above, along with evidence from the Annie E. Casey Foundation that says black children, as a group, grow up in disadvantaged circumstances compared to their peers, and you can create lot of theories for why the black-white skills convergence stopped during the late 1980s. An honest and rigorous assessment of these theories needs to be done before anybody can claim to know why black disadvantage persists.
You can see in the chart that 3% of incarcerated Black men grew up in families in the top 1% of income. Compare to 3% of incarcerated white men whose families were at the 50th percentile of income. At the lowest 1% of family income, 20% of Black men end up incarcerated compared to 7% of white men. So it's not the SES.
Elitist Paternalism or maybe Paternalistic Elitism ("we are superior to you and know what is best for you") was the mindset of Southern Slaveholding democrats in the 19th century, and persists in post-modernist academia and democratic party today. It reflects many aspects of racism
Back again.........read Tom Sowell's analysis of how the Black family was destroyed. He has the numbers to prove it. Read "My 5 Black Fathers", this fellow was fortunate that 5 other Black men took an interest him. not his biological "father". The Civil Rights laws, made with good intentions, destroyed the financial incentive for the real "father" to stay around. A boy (Black, White, others) needs a father figure around, the mom can't do everything.....although some do rise to that need! The "so-called" Black leaders of today (exclude MLK) are conn jobs who have "tasted the white man's cool aid (money/power) and sacrificed their "brothers".
The Civil Rights laws have and had absolutely no connections to the so-called destruction of the Black family. Thomas Sowell has no real following in the Black Community because he has never engaged with that community . While there are a number of people who would listen to him, he spends most or all of his time talking or addressing White conservatives.
Stan talks about nameless leaders who make a money grab. This is nonsense. There is much more money in being a Black Conservative. Candace Owens was not rich when she asked the NAACP for help in a bias case. She made her money criticizing Black people.
Diamond & Silk were praised for their disgusting comedy act. Herschel Walker was their Senatorial candidate. Byron Donalds said of Donald Trump, “Daddy’s home”. Trump is Donald’s’ father figure. Clay Cane details the history of the grifters who attack the Black community to please their Conservative benefactors in “The Grift”.
Very few people other than Sowell have attempted to look at government programs focusing on the difference between groups and asked the question whether or not they have worked. If some worked and some didn't, what were the differences? As long as little useful research exists, we are stuck with best guesses based primarily on political views.
Start with the poor schools the Black children are forced to go to. There is a lack of discipline in the schools where 1-5% of the students are bullies who destroy what the other good students are trying to learn. The "white privileged" administration is afraid to enforce rules for fear of being called "racists". The other 95% of students are really wanting to learn and improve but they are trapped. I have never heard a Black pol demand that discipline be enforced so the kids can learn.
Nobody "forces" Black children to go to poor schools. If their parents want them to attend better schools, then they'll do what it takes to move into better school districts. Portraying them as helpless victims of their circumstances isn't at all helpful.
Very good point. I did not consider that. I believe Ben Carson's mother (who became a doctor) encouraged/forced him to read a book a week and write a report on the book for her to read. He turned out to be "pretty good"............Thanks for your insight.
Events following the George Floyd protests and riots have made race relations worse. (Per Gallup they have been getting worse since George Zimmerman was acquitted and Black Lives Matter began makung inroads.) For five years in the spirit of racial justice Americans have regularly had newscasters accusing whites of white supremacy, white privilege, systemic racism and structural racism. Most white people are engrossed in making ends meet, which became more challenging with high inflation, taking care of their health, safety in public, and worrying about the numerous off ramps for their children that could leave them physically or mentally damaged or in jail. White Americans familiar with the progress that has been made in policing, and the court systems are proud that there is no longer system racism in these systems. Are there disporprotional outcomes in arrests and incarceration? Yes, but there are several salient reasons for that and racial injustice is not one of them. If BLM activists want to keep protesting for racial justice, the most prominanat will be harming race relations, which won't affet racial justice but it will stoke mutual racism.
Geroge Floyd was not murdered. The autopsy, which I have bothered to read, makes no such finding. The knee on the neck is not seen by the coroner to be a factor, but a paid expert claimed in court that it was a contributing factor.
A White police officer is in prison for a murder that was not committed. Let's spend some time talking about White disadvantage.
Glenn had the courage to link this video earlier, but backed away from it a bit later. It's well worth watching for anyone who values facts and truth more than partisanship.
In my city, there are tons of high paying jobs for people willing to take on some extra training. An A/C guy came into my house and told me he was an convicted felon but he had straightened out. He said his 19 y.o. son was making 1500 dollars a week doing construction and renovation work. He was doing well after starting work in HVAC area. Neither went to college or needed long years of training. I asked why the ghettos had not been drained of poverty. Especially in my city of 3% unemployment for the last 30 or 40 years. Some of these high paying jobs are snatched up by hard working and Soanish speaking people. It's actually better to speak Spanish than English if you want to work construction, etc. But a healthy young person born in America could easily learn how to use a nail gun and start getting paid way more than the 15 they pay at the restaurant. But many of these boys grew up with real guns instead. Or, their Single Mom's never handed them a hammer and drywall. They're strong enough for football much of the time but scared of a power drill handed to them by Carlos's cousin from El Salvador, who was making 5 dollars a day and now a thousand a week, driving a nice truck, making the young black man wonder, why am I poor? My black homeboy asked me when we're still teens. Why do all the construction jobs go to Mexicans? They didn't, but most did, despite ut being a very black town at that time. A white boy told me around the same time that he knew of jobs where you watch black men working road construction, and that the government gave you money for doing nothing. That's another clue. Blacks prefer government jobs, fast food, retail, and office. The huge money rain has been coming from private construction and other trade jobs. I mean just billions and billions as people search desperately for people to build homes or install a home office.
One reason we laugh at posts like this is because we are keenly aware of the gaslighting. The Black community as a whole is never going to meet your shifting standards. One argument made is that high achieving Black students are ridiculed for “acting white”. The idea that academics is held in low esteem is because Black students are in an environment where they see those with their skin color punished more harshly than their white peers for the same offense.
They look at the real world and see mediocre whites praised more than qualified Blacks. Look at the current Presidential cabinet and the military appointments. The problem is not the evil Left. The problem is the reactionary Right who shift criteria on a whim. A felon, adulterer, and sexual assaulter was overwhelmingly elected President by the Right. An attack on the Capitol is excused. A police officer who suffocated a man gets a flawed documentary suggesting his innocence.
We are amused because the last people who have moral authority are the people on the Right. The image of the bull entering a field of cows comes to mind when a Republican says, “I’m from the government and my policy is here to service you”.
We know Conservatives will yammer all day about Black people while everybody’s rights are stripped away. The gaslighting is obvious.
The thing is, we *are* the Democratic Party. It's crazy how Black Americans constitute a sizable share of Democratic elected and appointed officials at all levels of government, the party apparatus, and active constituency and yet people still speak as though we have zero involvement and ownership in the party itself. We are simply declaring what we believe works better for us; nobody is doing that on our behalf.
Meanwhile, you have the Republican Party whose argument basically boils down to "We're not racist for telling the blacks they're not intelligent enough to vote for Republicans which is in their best interests."
One reason I laugh at posts like this is because it is a distraction offered up by people who not support funding education. Trump appointed a Secretary of Wrastlin’ to lead the Department of Education. Glenn serves up repeated posts detailing the failure of the Black community.
The current administration is destroying education, healthcare, foreign relations and everything in its path while you sit on the sidelines. The one certified fact is that none of you will be part of the solution. You will be silent as people are plucked from the streets. It will be disappointing for you to realize that many Blacks are living their best lives even as RFK Jr tries to kill us in an intentional epidemic.
To be honest, many of us find classic European literature depressing. We enjoy tomes like John Hope Franklin’s “From Slavery to Freedom”, “Every Monument Will Fall” (the Oxford dons drank from the skull of an enslaved woman until 2015), “American Anti-Slavery Writings”, “Royal, Black, Elite”, “Black Phalanx” (Blacks in the War of 1812. We dabble in politics with “Hayek’s Bastards”, etc.
We wine and dine with Black professionals and watch as mediocre white men try to destroy democracy. We know you be silent on the assault. Some of us gain pleasure by offering responses to your policy positions. It does relieve boredom.
The method and ideas of BLM have not advanced as far as being accepted or helping Blacks. Conversely their methods of burning buildings, demonizing America and Whites and condemning police has had the opposite effect on Black violent deaths by increasing them. The positive effect of BLM is that Americans across the artificial divisions of race and ethnicity are fed up with their BS and identity politics. The proof of this is in the Nov 24 election.
Joel Matta
Simply ask the following questions and you can get the answer… What prevented BLM from looking into how George Floyd got to be in the position to where something this tragic could happen in the first place? What impact could BLM have had if they focused on the importance of education and family structure and used their platform to develop and maintain strong messaging around these important factors to success? And finally, how did all the looting and violence make a positive impact on the communities where it took place? Bottom line, BLM is just another “ race hustler” to quote Robert Woodson and they missed a huge opportunity to influence positive outcomes
where DID the money donated to BLM during that time go? What was it used for? Does anyone know?
There are already plenty of organizations that focus on drug prevention and rehabilitation, so there was no need for BLM to reinvent the wheel.
White conservatives on this blog keep quoting people like Robert Woodson or Thomas Sowell who seem to have absolutely zero influence on or in the Black Community. These guys mostly address , well, nonBlack people plus the small number of ideological Black right wingers
Thanks for a great discussion.
Curious as to how Joshua interprets the data that seems to show that black immigrants perform similar to whites and above native blacks (seems a big cultural effect?)
I think it would be good for the famous mantra, don’t have a child until you to graduate school, have a job, and are married (at least have a committed long-term partner.)
Aspirational immigrants (those immigrating primarily for opportunity and not primarily to escape deteriorating conditions in their native countries such as refugees or asylum-seekers) of all races/ethnicities tend to out-perform native-born Americans overall, Whites included. They tend to be positively selected for as a group and constitute the more accomplished members of society in their native countries.
To Robert Redd,
If I’m understanding, it seems you’ve reduced many of the comments below to anti-Blackness.
Glenn Lowry, John McWhorter, Robert Woodson, Thomas Sowell and Roland Fryer or not anti-Black, nor are they racist in any direction.
Do the men mentioned suggest low IQ as the problem? George Floyd is a nonsensical explanation since the gap was increasing in the 1980s.
It is hilarious to read the anti-Blackness that comes from posters at this site. The evil left is the problem. George Floyd is the problem. IQ is the problem.
Roland Fryer:
Fryer tapped 10 large data sets on children 8 months to 17 years old. He studied charter schools, scouring for standards that worked. He champions longer school days and school years, data-driven instruction, small-group tutoring, high expectations, and a school culture that prizes human capital — all just "a few simple investments," he wrote in the working paper. "The challenge for the future is to take these examples to scale" across the country.
How long would closing the gap take with a national commitment to do so? A best-practices experiment that Fryer conducted at low-achieving high schools in Houston closed the gap in math skills within three years, and narrowed the reading achievement gap by a third.
…….
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-16/the-costs-of-inequality-education-is-the-key-to-it-all
I have a ton of respect for Fryer's work, but the Apollo 20 program he led in Houston did not yield sustained results. Here are links to articles from The Houston Chronicle that illustrate the point:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/review-questions-staying-power-of-gains-in-hisd-5229488.php
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/columnists/falkenberg/article/it-s-time-for-an-independent-review-of-apollo-20-4730362.php
Here's a third take from another Houston-based source:
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/rewriting-history-apollo-20s-legacy-as-it-is-now-was-once-and-what-it-was-supposed-to-be-6735683
HISD (Houston Independent School District) has struggled to close academic achievement gaps over the years, just like almost every school district in America. It was placed under state control two years ago:
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/15/texas-education-houston-isd-takeover/
The black-white skills gap was closing up until the late 1980's. Derek Neal at the University of Chicago documented this in a working paper ("Why Has Black-White Skills Convergence Stopped?") that was published by the National Bureau of Economic Research in 2005:
https://www.nber.org/papers/w11090
Neal didn't provide a definitive answer to the question raised by his paper. He suggested several potential causes. Here's the paper's Abstract:
All data sources indicate that black-white skill gaps diminished over most of the 20th century, but black-white skill gaps as measured by test scores among youth and educational attainment among young adults have remained constant or increased in absolute value since the late 1980s. I examine the potential importance of discrimination against skilled black workers, changes in black family structures, changes in black household incomes, black-white differences in parenting norms, and education policy as factors that may contribute to the recent stability of black-white skill gaps. Absent changes in public policy or the economy that facilitate investment in black children, best case scenarios suggest that even approximate black-white skill parity is not possible before 2050, and equally plausible scenarios imply that the black-white skill gap will remain quite significant throughout the 21st century.
A rigorous and honest evaluation of all the factors Neal mentioned needs to be done.
I couldn't open all the links but the Apollo program was stopped after a few years and the black-white gap in math re-emerged. Apparently the gap in reading wasn't changed much at all despite the Apollo program. Also the school day was lengthened and more school days were added during the program. Students with lower IQs would do better putting in more hours of academic work. There's an IQ gap of 15 points between Blacks and whites which is the most logical explanation for the gaps.
Get these kids reading at a 6th grade level (assuming they then achieve basic literacy) and then steer them into vocational-focused high school settings. They can then get a head start in learning high demand skills such as carpentry and construction, electrical work, millwright, welding, air conditioning, plumbing / pipefitting, etc. Vocational-focused secondary education is gaining ground in the U.S., and has been a long-term tradition in Europe; home to the world’s best and highest paid craftsmen. Also craft education can largely negate racial IQ disparities.
Derek Neal's paper showed that the skills gap would have closed by now if the trends that were in place going in to the late 1980's had persisted. That suggests that something other than genetics contributed to the gap.
There's a conversation to be had about how both nature and nurture determine cognitive abilities. I wrote a post for TGS last year that covers this:
https://glennloury.substack.com/p/the-nature-of-nurture
SES is both an antecedent and opportunity factor in your linked post. SAT scores in 2005-Black students from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had average scores 10 points below the average scores of white students from families with incomes below $10,000. Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had SAT scores that were 61 points above Blacks whose family incomes were between $80,000 and $100,000. There are also statistics showing white boys raised in households with the same incomes as Black boys -at every level are much less likely to be incarcerated.
You've mixed a couple of metrics (e.g., SAT scores, likelihood of incarceration) and didn't provide links for the numbers you cited, so I can only respond with generalities.
Skills development is a complex process that involves a lot of factors. The framework I provided included 11 factors, but didn't include things like culture and family structure, Melissa Kearney's book, "The Two-Parent Privilege" documents the effects that living in two-parent household have upon kids, especially boys. Richard Reeves at Brookings and Brad Wilcox at the Institute for Family Studies have shown similar impacts. The late John Ogbu noted the importance of culture in his book, "Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb - A study of Academic Disengagement."
Add up all of the above, along with evidence from the Annie E. Casey Foundation that says black children, as a group, grow up in disadvantaged circumstances compared to their peers, and you can create lot of theories for why the black-white skills convergence stopped during the late 1980s. An honest and rigorous assessment of these theories needs to be done before anybody can claim to know why black disadvantage persists.
Here is the link re: the SAT Black white gap
jbhe.com/features/43_college_admissions-test.html Scroll down to Explaining the Black-White SAT Gap.
Here's the link for Raj Chetty's work in a chart showing incomes of Black vs white families of incarcerated men.
census.gov/content/dam/Census/programs-Surveys/center-for-economic-studies/opportunity_atlas_paper.pdf
You can see in the chart that 3% of incarcerated Black men grew up in families in the top 1% of income. Compare to 3% of incarcerated white men whose families were at the 50th percentile of income. At the lowest 1% of family income, 20% of Black men end up incarcerated compared to 7% of white men. So it's not the SES.
Thanks for your repeated input. Because the gap did close, I see Neal did not list IQ as a factor
I have two words.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
The blame game hasn’t worked and will not work.
Elitist Paternalism or maybe Paternalistic Elitism ("we are superior to you and know what is best for you") was the mindset of Southern Slaveholding democrats in the 19th century, and persists in post-modernist academia and democratic party today. It reflects many aspects of racism
Back again.........read Tom Sowell's analysis of how the Black family was destroyed. He has the numbers to prove it. Read "My 5 Black Fathers", this fellow was fortunate that 5 other Black men took an interest him. not his biological "father". The Civil Rights laws, made with good intentions, destroyed the financial incentive for the real "father" to stay around. A boy (Black, White, others) needs a father figure around, the mom can't do everything.....although some do rise to that need! The "so-called" Black leaders of today (exclude MLK) are conn jobs who have "tasted the white man's cool aid (money/power) and sacrificed their "brothers".
The Civil Rights laws have and had absolutely no connections to the so-called destruction of the Black family. Thomas Sowell has no real following in the Black Community because he has never engaged with that community . While there are a number of people who would listen to him, he spends most or all of his time talking or addressing White conservatives.
Stan talks about nameless leaders who make a money grab. This is nonsense. There is much more money in being a Black Conservative. Candace Owens was not rich when she asked the NAACP for help in a bias case. She made her money criticizing Black people.
Diamond & Silk were praised for their disgusting comedy act. Herschel Walker was their Senatorial candidate. Byron Donalds said of Donald Trump, “Daddy’s home”. Trump is Donald’s’ father figure. Clay Cane details the history of the grifters who attack the Black community to please their Conservative benefactors in “The Grift”.
Very few people other than Sowell have attempted to look at government programs focusing on the difference between groups and asked the question whether or not they have worked. If some worked and some didn't, what were the differences? As long as little useful research exists, we are stuck with best guesses based primarily on political views.
Start with the poor schools the Black children are forced to go to. There is a lack of discipline in the schools where 1-5% of the students are bullies who destroy what the other good students are trying to learn. The "white privileged" administration is afraid to enforce rules for fear of being called "racists". The other 95% of students are really wanting to learn and improve but they are trapped. I have never heard a Black pol demand that discipline be enforced so the kids can learn.
Nobody "forces" Black children to go to poor schools. If their parents want them to attend better schools, then they'll do what it takes to move into better school districts. Portraying them as helpless victims of their circumstances isn't at all helpful.
Very good point. I did not consider that. I believe Ben Carson's mother (who became a doctor) encouraged/forced him to read a book a week and write a report on the book for her to read. He turned out to be "pretty good"............Thanks for your insight.
Events following the George Floyd protests and riots have made race relations worse. (Per Gallup they have been getting worse since George Zimmerman was acquitted and Black Lives Matter began makung inroads.) For five years in the spirit of racial justice Americans have regularly had newscasters accusing whites of white supremacy, white privilege, systemic racism and structural racism. Most white people are engrossed in making ends meet, which became more challenging with high inflation, taking care of their health, safety in public, and worrying about the numerous off ramps for their children that could leave them physically or mentally damaged or in jail. White Americans familiar with the progress that has been made in policing, and the court systems are proud that there is no longer system racism in these systems. Are there disporprotional outcomes in arrests and incarceration? Yes, but there are several salient reasons for that and racial injustice is not one of them. If BLM activists want to keep protesting for racial justice, the most prominanat will be harming race relations, which won't affet racial justice but it will stoke mutual racism.
Geroge Floyd was not murdered. The autopsy, which I have bothered to read, makes no such finding. The knee on the neck is not seen by the coroner to be a factor, but a paid expert claimed in court that it was a contributing factor.
A White police officer is in prison for a murder that was not committed. Let's spend some time talking about White disadvantage.
Glenn had the courage to link this video earlier, but backed away from it a bit later. It's well worth watching for anyone who values facts and truth more than partisanship.
https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/