Watch now (67 mins) | with John McWhorter and Mark Goldblatt
Are trans people sick and need medical care? The debate on that question is what got this video canceled on YouTube. At least that's my theory. The only problem is that the trans community has already answered that question with a yes when they demand that they get coverage for sex reassignment drugs and surgery. The question then isn't do they require medical care, its what is the best medical care? Is it medical care to affirm their beliefs about themselves, or would they be better off if they received care that changed their beliefs to match their biological sex. (Increased sex hormones that match their biological sex instead of against it, psychiatric care to accept being attracted to the same sex, or that its okay to be a man that likes to dress in women's clothing, or ...) That is a complicated question. It is a question I don't know the answer to. It is a question that should be debated and can be investigated objectively. We should all want everybody to happy and to feel good within their own skin, the debate on how to achieve that shouldn't be shutdown because some people don't want to have that discussion.
Time: 47:58. To answer John's question, yes we should see these people as needing help. The problem in society is that we never want to believe we need help. We are hyper-individualistic and therefore lack a self-awareness of our own needs for help. It's no different than if a friend of yours is putting on a "happy face" yet deep down their spirits are in turmoil and they are dealing with crippling depression. We need to be more open to real help, not affirming help, but real help. I know a lot of transgender individuals and when I look at them or have conversations with them, I see nothing but pain in their eyes. Absolutely we should think these people need help because these people objectively need help. As fellow humans it's not our jobs to ignore the issue, it's our job to get them help. Just like we would a drug addict (or at least should) or a schizophrenic.
Woke can be defined as this: "My subjective ideas must be taken objectively." Meaning, what I claim to be, you must accept because it is ME that feels and believes and YOU are nothing more than an object of my playhouse. The great argument against postmodernism is indeed that our own realities are the true reality and if you don't fit my reality then you are objectively wrong. But again, this is circular...because what if YOU don't fit MY reality. The nature of subjectivity is easily falsifiable.
(Time 8:40); McWhorter steel-man’s woke argument “My experience has value” (paraphrase). Denied an in-person discussion for three calendar years, I emailed superiors at work to inform “Woke statement is fine, not a problem. But, it is step one - after which the scientist methodically explores the concept.”
Two thoughts…I think wokeism grew out of the propensity of Trump to embellish and sensationalize fact’s during his Presidency. I believe it spoke more to the “showman” in him rather than his actual belief in what he would misrepresent. As far as the claims of Trump actually winning the election by his supporters, I contend that the true outcome was not readily apparent due to the tactics of ballot harvesting, and what the actual numbers were. While I cannot claim that the election was stolen by Democrats, I certainly believe that the tactic of ballot harvesting, placed its thumb on the scale and may have altered the outcome.
I heard a groupnofvtrans teens talking about why they.thought they were the opposite sex, they each gave any answer. indicating their interests or likes were not the typical.idea of what girls or boys like to do, i.e. "I didn't like to wear dresses" or for a boyvl.who udentified as a girl, "I didn't like to rough house like boys. They had gotten the idea, often from social media, that if they didn't conform to certain gender stereotypes, they were in the wrong bodies. These gender stereotypes were fought against by b the women's movement -- but now these stereotypes are thriving in.transgender ideology. Books are being read to young children -- for example a girl about 5 years old in this book read to kids decides she is really a boy because.she didn't want to wear the pink dress her mother bought for her. These stereotypes are being used to push puberty blockers and gender dysphoria. There are many v ways of being a girl.or boy.
Also if a he can declare themselves to be a she, and "a transwomen is a woman" as is chanted, why shouldn't transwomen enter women's locker rooms, etc or compete in women's sports? Notice no transman has won a trophy or award in competitions with other men. No men feel threatened by a transman ( biological woman) come to undress in their locker room. They may actually like it. Taking away the right of privacy anyhe right of competitions that are separated by biological sex HURTS women. And that is the truth. What biological woman has won an award as a transman? None.
if there's a your truth and a my truth and a his truth and a her truth, there is no meaning to tell THE truth. There would be no meaning of swearing to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as a witness. It completely undermines our whole system of justice!
I did not hear “hate speech” but I did hear a lot of ignorant and naïve speech. There is much that is true in Goldblatt’s discussion of wokeism prioritizing subjective feelings over empirical facts but when he applies this theme to his views of transgenderism, Goldblatt’s argument falls apart. Initially he contends that, by dismissing the idea of soul, spirit, inner knowing, etc. over the existence physical characteristics of male and female bodies, he is saying that human beings are only their bodies, a view with which I disagree. Whether it be referred to as soul, spirit, or consciousness that part of a human being is the driver of its life: our thoughts, our feelings, our ability to discern, make decisions and take action all come from consciousness – whether you are transgender or not. Further, Goldblatt repeatedly asserts that transgender people merely believe they are something they are not, and that what they claim is demonstrably not true – that trans people are simply denying the empirical fact of the bodies into which they were born. Professor Goldblatt, this is not what they are saying. Have you ever had a discussion with a transgendered person? I assure you that there is no transgendered person anywhere who denies the empirical evidence of the body into which they were born. That’s why they refer to themselves as trans-gender.
It is very important that we continue to push for the common ground of objective reality be respected. I'd like to see some academics involved in Elementary education interviewed on this topic because that is currently a battle ground for how, and who gets to define reality.
Re: redefining what a woman/man is. What I am curious about is what prompted this whole discussion in the first place. We always had terms to describe people who felt like they were born in the wrong body and how they presented themselves in society (transsexual and transvestism.) So why the change and why now? I think there might be a clue in the other phrases that have been redefined which have been thrown around with this discussion such as transgender healthcare. Transgender healthcare now seems to mean “medical transitioning” aka - affirming healthcare. At the federal government level, there were changes made to anti discrimination laws pertaining to transgenders, et all, that mandate medical transition coverage for all healthcare insurance companies that receive federal funding. Basically requiring insurance companies to pay for medical transition. However, private insurance companies and self funded plans that do not receive federal funding are not required to cover medical transitions. I wonder if the push to redefine what a man/woman is, has something to do with getting the rest of the insurance companies to pay for transgender transitioning? If they redefine woman to mean anyone who feels like a woman, then maybe that changes what “medically necessary” means, and therefore make all insurance plans cover all medical treatments to support becoming a women.?
If that is the case, is this entire movement just a tactic to get medical transitioning paid for by insurance companies? Is it really all about the money?
Or is there another reason I’m just not aware of? Why change the meaning of man/woman and why now?
Would love to get thoughts from the hosts and group.
Thank you Uncle Glenn!
I am a bit surprised that in your discussion of transgenderism you did not explore the similarities with religions. People are certainly entitled to have their own truths, such as a belief in Jesus Christ, but they are not entitled to force others to have those beliefs.
As for the question of why can’t we change the meaning of the word woman it begs the question of what word to use to describe biological reality. Birthing person is now often used. Aside from the offensive objectification aspect of that phrase the real issue is that it is tantamount to linguistic colonisation. It totally disregards that women have their own truths as well.
Dump the Woke in North Korea where their magic utopia is.
Not sure why there is so much intellectual banter around the trans issue, its very simply from a case of objective reality/Biological reality a case of "false advertising!" Trans people are still the sex of their birth and are not the "new" sex they are claiming to be! How did we ever let the Marxist separate sex from gender? They are extremely closely aligned!
If I took a 1980's Chrysler K Car and wrapped it with Mercedes Benz body panels and sold it as a Mercedes, I would be arrested for fraud! (at least I would hope so it this current lawless society). The MB is not just its exterior body panels and badges, its the drivetrain, the interior, its every nut and bolt!