OH Dear! Glenn is obviously entitled to his opinion, as is John, but this is mine. I'm watching two black educated gentlemen get smaller and smaller. Shame on them. Their own audience, in large measure disagrees with them and they remain misguided and jaundiced. There was NO insurrection and NOBODY was ever convicted of insurrection. There was no 'DAY IN COURT' for DJT because no superior court in the USA granted DJT 'CERTIORARI' to hear the case. Look it up. There was no despicable conduct by DJT and Glenn and John are simply MISGUIDED and WRONG. History will soon prove how misguided.
Glenn, respectfully, I think you are being willfully naive, or perhaps trying to score cheap debating points, when you say “we don’t know” whether Trump intended to claim he was cheated if he didn’t win the 2024 election.
Virtually everyone, including most Trump supporters, think otherwise. Right up until Election Day, Trump, Elon, and others were making accusations of voter fraud, especially in Pennsylvania. After Trump won, they all dropped the subject. It was well reported that Trump and his minions were laying the groundwork to try to steal the election if they lost. He said in 2016 that if he lost, it could only be due to fraud; he said the same about the 2020 election; and he said the same in 2024.
True, we cannot definitely prove this counterfactual, but I’d have happily bet my retirement, against almost any odds, that Trump was preparing to steal the election if he lost in the Electoral College. I agree with John. I think we just *know.*
In support of your point, I would add the fact that we even have to SPECULATE whether Trump would concede is in itself glaring evidence of a very serious problem. I think if Glenn were to have honestly answered before the election whether he believed Trump would concede, the best he'd be able to offer is an "I don't know." That alone should be a major red flag for anyone unwilling to gamble the stability of our democracy.
As January 20 passes, see what happens in real time. There is tremendous naiveté about Trump’s desire for revenge combined with unbridled power as President. Read Genesis 3 and Mark 15. Study history. John has it right on this one.
Great conversation - you guys are the best. I voted for Trump and am very excited about this new administration. Politics aside, John Lewis was a great man.
For nine years the Democrats showed a political depravity -- as vicious as it was inane -- that culminated in "Madison Square Garden is a Nazi." In my humble opinion, anyone not elated at Trump's victory has mental issues.
For shamelessness, Joe and Mika take the prize. From "racist" and "Hitler" and "Russian plant" and "end of democracy" and "fascist" to "Hi, Mr. President, we were just a-funnin' ya!"
The Democrats, in their lust for power, have undermined confidence in the American justice system, intelligence agencies, and the media. What did they gain? They delayed Trump's second term by four years, extending the Trump Era by four years.
I'm not a Trump apologist, but I wish folks would at least attempt to provide a balanced account of things Trump did or didn't do. Trump's decision to skip celebrations of the life of John Lewis (e.g., funeral, memorial service in D.C.) has to be judged in the context of a couple of things:
1. John Lewis said Trump was an "illegitimate" president
2. It was not clear that Trump would have been welcomed at the funeral
3. Vice President Pence, Trump's chief of staff, and other cabinet members attended Lewis's funeral
4. Trump also skipped the funerals of Representative Elijah Cummings, Representative John Dingell, Senator John McCain, and former first lady Barbara Bush
I loathe "whataboutism," but it's noteworthy that President Obama didn't attend the funerals of Justice Scalia or former first lady Nancy Reagan according to this article:
I find the charge of 'whataboutism' is much overused. The actions of, and reactions to, people in similar positions and circumstances can be validly compared.
Fantastic comment. John made an odd pick for an example of egregious behavior.
I wish John could see that the FBI verifying the Biden laptop in December 2019, then going along with the "51 intelligence officials" in October 2020 who said they thought the laptop was "Russian disinformation" bothers people infinitely more than funeral attendance.
OH Dear! Glenn is obviously entitled to his opinion, as is John, but this is mine. I'm watching two black educated gentlemen get smaller and smaller. Shame on them. Their own audience, in large measure disagrees with them and they remain misguided and jaundiced. There was NO insurrection and NOBODY was ever convicted of insurrection. There was no 'DAY IN COURT' for DJT because no superior court in the USA granted DJT 'CERTIORARI' to hear the case. Look it up. There was no despicable conduct by DJT and Glenn and John are simply MISGUIDED and WRONG. History will soon prove how misguided.
Glenn, respectfully, I think you are being willfully naive, or perhaps trying to score cheap debating points, when you say “we don’t know” whether Trump intended to claim he was cheated if he didn’t win the 2024 election.
Virtually everyone, including most Trump supporters, think otherwise. Right up until Election Day, Trump, Elon, and others were making accusations of voter fraud, especially in Pennsylvania. After Trump won, they all dropped the subject. It was well reported that Trump and his minions were laying the groundwork to try to steal the election if they lost. He said in 2016 that if he lost, it could only be due to fraud; he said the same about the 2020 election; and he said the same in 2024.
True, we cannot definitely prove this counterfactual, but I’d have happily bet my retirement, against almost any odds, that Trump was preparing to steal the election if he lost in the Electoral College. I agree with John. I think we just *know.*
In support of your point, I would add the fact that we even have to SPECULATE whether Trump would concede is in itself glaring evidence of a very serious problem. I think if Glenn were to have honestly answered before the election whether he believed Trump would concede, the best he'd be able to offer is an "I don't know." That alone should be a major red flag for anyone unwilling to gamble the stability of our democracy.
As January 20 passes, see what happens in real time. There is tremendous naiveté about Trump’s desire for revenge combined with unbridled power as President. Read Genesis 3 and Mark 15. Study history. John has it right on this one.
Forgive me, I meant to add - I agree with you -Trump should have attended John Lewis's funeral.
Great conversation - you guys are the best. I voted for Trump and am very excited about this new administration. Politics aside, John Lewis was a great man.
For nine years the Democrats showed a political depravity -- as vicious as it was inane -- that culminated in "Madison Square Garden is a Nazi." In my humble opinion, anyone not elated at Trump's victory has mental issues.
For shamelessness, Joe and Mika take the prize. From "racist" and "Hitler" and "Russian plant" and "end of democracy" and "fascist" to "Hi, Mr. President, we were just a-funnin' ya!"
The Democrats, in their lust for power, have undermined confidence in the American justice system, intelligence agencies, and the media. What did they gain? They delayed Trump's second term by four years, extending the Trump Era by four years.
I'm not a Trump apologist, but I wish folks would at least attempt to provide a balanced account of things Trump did or didn't do. Trump's decision to skip celebrations of the life of John Lewis (e.g., funeral, memorial service in D.C.) has to be judged in the context of a couple of things:
1. John Lewis said Trump was an "illegitimate" president
2. It was not clear that Trump would have been welcomed at the funeral
3. Vice President Pence, Trump's chief of staff, and other cabinet members attended Lewis's funeral
4. Trump also skipped the funerals of Representative Elijah Cummings, Representative John Dingell, Senator John McCain, and former first lady Barbara Bush
Here are links if you want more context:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/meet-the-press-70-years/john-lewis-trump-won-t-be-legitimate-president-n706676
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-on-his-own-yet-again-as-he-skips-farewell-to-lewis
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-did-not-attend-john-lewis-funeral-other-major-funerals-he-missed-2020-7?op=1
Context matters. "Orange man bad" is way too simplistic.
I loathe "whataboutism," but it's noteworthy that President Obama didn't attend the funerals of Justice Scalia or former first lady Nancy Reagan according to this article:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/trumps-absence-at-john-lewis-services-once-again-highlights-struggle-to-honor-prominent-critics-383097
I find the charge of 'whataboutism' is much overused. The actions of, and reactions to, people in similar positions and circumstances can be validly compared.
TDS makes people sound like children. It's very sad. But there's nothing we can do about it.
Fantastic comment. John made an odd pick for an example of egregious behavior.
I wish John could see that the FBI verifying the Biden laptop in December 2019, then going along with the "51 intelligence officials" in October 2020 who said they thought the laptop was "Russian disinformation" bothers people infinitely more than funeral attendance.
I'm ok with you flip-flopping, Glenn. You're decidedly human after all. :-)