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Professor Loury and Professor McWhorter-

Let me begin by saying that you guys are awesome.

I have a question for you, and I would love to hear your answer.

First a little context: I agree that the winds are shifting a bit. I do sense a pushback to woke excess. I also agree that the solution to this is political. Democrats will keep using identity politics until it is proven beyond a doubt that doing so will lose elections for them. And if Trump is not in the picture in '22 and '24, I sense those elections will be wipeouts in favor of the GOP, especially if the GOP puts someone like Tim Scott on the ticket (though one could argue this is a concession to identitarianism). Regardless, I want to believe that woke excess will fade and we can move toward healthier race relations.

However, just like the Military-Industrial Complex has interests of its own that make it nearly impossible to debulk, the Diversity-Industrial Complex will resist going away. Think of all the positions in corporate HR, DEI roles in academia, and DEI training consultancies that have no interest in losing their jobs, contracts, and authority. In fact, it seems to me that the most likely explanation for the expansion of the definition of racism (from prejudiced behavior to "systemic") is that the DIC needs racism to exist in order to justify itself. If racism no longer existed as a major factor in our country, we wouldn't need the DIC. Why else have race relations gotten worse since Obama was elected? If we simply accepted that the color of one's skin is not a major barrier to success, how could we continue to justify different standards for different races?

So, my question is this: what happens to the DIC if the winds continue to shift? What happens to all those hyper-woke DEI officials, and aggressive corporate HR employees? My experiences with bureaucracies tells me they are very difficult to eliminate once they are created. Can the excesses of woke ideology be interpreted as the frantic gasps for air of a drowning animal? Or are they just the inevitable result of a group of people who are epistemically closed, and hermetically sealed in their twitter/social media bubble?

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I so appreciate your insightful and incisive conversations, and the intellectual humility and curiosity you display. Thank you both for all you do; I strongly believe you are making a difference. I wish you both and your respective loved ones a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year.

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Thank you for a year of many interesting discussions. And Happy New Year, Glenn.

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Glenn and John: I have spent over 250 hours on a lawsuit against a state for their indoctrination of their employees in DEI--the indoctrination which included the worst of the woke ideology--and they have plans to continue the indoctrination. The court has decided to set an evidentiary hearing on our motion for preliminary injunction. I am thinking that if I can, instead of just railing against the indoctrination, propose some alternatives to the state, and the court, for educating state employees about race--and you folks are the ideal people to help me out with this. Any interest?

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Dec 29, 2021Liked by Glenn Loury

I thoroughly enjoyed the intimacy, the arias, and dynamic analysis in this compilation not to mention Glenn's laugh out loud honest critique of Obama's presidency in the final segment.

Thank you for the sanity you bring to my world and beyond. May the new year bring you both renewed energy and sustenance to continue this important work. I certainly will continue to support you.

Happy New Year.

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Dec 28, 2021Liked by Glenn Loury

I enjoyed this "Hits of 2021" compendium. Badass motherfucker and your refusal to cede any ground to John on your assessment of Obama and his presidency were my favorites.

Books I would not have read but for Glenn include: Freedom is not Enough by James Patterson, The Anatomy of Racial Inequality by Glenn and Crime and Punishment. I am trying to get up my courage to read War and Peace in the new year.

As far as changing my mind, I keep trying to find a reason to change my mind about John but so far I have been unsuccessful.

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A good walk down memory lane of 2021, great conversations were had!

I think "Do not despair" is the take-home message this year. Wokeness, cancel culture, critical race theory, etc. are still ascendant in academia, media, corporations, etc. since George Floyd's murder, but this year has seen a concerted pushback with consequences, like the Republicans winning the Virginia gubernatorial race.

Civilization has a chance! May 2022 have more of this pushback.

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Dec 28, 2021Liked by Glenn Loury

It was a great year for the Glenn Show. I've listened to so many of this year's episodes on my iPod dozens of times.

My favorite episode of 2021 is Slippery Slope to Hell. And the best part of the episode was the bad ass m------ problem. That was the problem that became the downfall of so many males I knew while I was growing up in the inner city.

Glenn and John are an inspiration to all of us. My monthly subscription to this podcast is money well invested!!!

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Motherfucker last chance to say my name.

Orwell Would Bitch Slap Anatomy of Racial Inequality

Did you know that Loury coined the term social capital? I could take credit for inventing the poetic form the Trojan Horse as pompously as he takes credit for this achievement to the resounding applause of none. A Trojan Horse is a sonnet done in rhyming couplets and concluding with lines that don’t rhyme for anyone who is interested. This sort of lack of credit was enough for the likes Emily Dickenson who kindly did not stop for the death that claims the corpse of the Anatomy of Racial Inequality.

It should be noted this critique is not addressing the argument of Anatomy. The argument is probably brilliant, but that is besides the point.

Some arguments are easy to refute. McWhorter says being woke is a religion because he listens to Lil Wayne and likes to imagine himself as a Martian. A simple, “no it’s not,” and a joke will suffice. Maybe this New York Times writer should stick to overthinking swear words.

Loury’s argument is trickier to refute because of the generosity of human spirit that trusts an authority. Science and math are difficult areas to master, and Loury sounds like he knows what he is talking about. The “sounds like” is the key point of this critique.

Loury has the millennial habit of making his arguments more clearly with a camera than he does with a pen. The success of his podcast is a testament to the power of social media, and the passion of Loury’s performance.

The rest of us are wondering what the argument is as we slog through the high falutin prose of the stagnate blue blood that festers in the veins of this anatomy.

If Loury was able to write with the ease with which he video blogged, then his memoir might have a release date less ethereal than The Winds of Winter. I am reminded of Nabokov’s criticism of Dostoevsky’s prose who infamously let his wife do all the writing for him as his novels were written by transcription due to his health.

That McWhorter and Loury have been doing this video blog since the days of the original Slipknot lineup only betokens their millennial sensibility. From this point of view it is fair to credit Loury and McWhorter as the Angry Video Game Nerds of contrarian racial discourse. However, the buck must stop here, and oh yes Loury coined the term social capital.

As a literary type social capital sounds like mere Orwellian newspeak for “there’s more to life than money.” Perhaps Loury can explain the economics of students going into debt as a means of education. I’m as sick of hearing about Keynes, as the world is tired of feminists talking about Woolf. I prefer the advice father gives to Horatio about staying out of debt. Otherwise, I’m in absolute agreement with Loury, let the Asians and the Jews have the Ivy League. It could only be improved at this point.

Remember the awful titles of Jordan Peterson’s Youtube videos? “Peterson dunks on Feminists” and the like. If Orwell’s Politics and the English Language were a Youtube video today it would be called, “Orwell Bitchslaps Anatomy of Racial Inequality.”

The obtuse, verbose, and mundane excuse for writing that fills this book is Loury copying Booker T. and W. E. B. like Jordan Peterson copies Dostoevsky.

These are the men demanding respect and dignity the loudest, and like babies crying out for nourishment they neither know nor care where their next meal is coming from. These are unimpressive standards for respect. They help the proverbial Omar and Simone none which begs the question, why should they subscribe or tune in? It is unreasonable for Loury to be angry about this when the answer is it’s hard to watch a grown man throw a temper tantrum.

Loury’s anger should be directed at himself for not mastering the skills that Kendi and Coates have mastered, despite some lack of technical prowess. Between the World, and Antiracist would make Richard Wright turn over in his grave but they are still easier books to read than Anatomy. Loury’s responsibility for this failure of language lies at the test of good writing. Like music, good writing snaps, and I know it when I see it, and no degree can compensate for it.

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Hi! So I have a question. I’ve been following the Glenn show for about a year and a half. I’ve written extensively about it, and published some stuff on my substack. I gifted Glenn and John a subscription for a year. I covered the writing of Woke Racism as it was being published on Substack. I have not received confirmation or denial from my correspondence with Professor Loury, but I believe I’m Simone. Simone could of course be multiple people. I was hoping to get a direct answer to this question. I’m feeling a bit like a narcissist, but I did a lot of work on this, and I’d like my share of the credit. It might hurt my ego if the answer is no, but my question is, am I Simone? I can be a bit thick.

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Dec 27, 2021·edited Dec 27, 2021Liked by Glenn Loury

Glenn, hope you and John both had a good Christmas and wish you guys a happy new year as well. Looking forward to another year of excellent commentary in 2022. As you mentioned in your last conversation, the world is becoming a smaller place. Excited to see what the new year brings and I'm sure you and John will be there to cover the various happenings.

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Dec 27, 2021Liked by Glenn Loury

Glenn, I wanted to thank: you, John and your guests for one of the most courageous, interesting and intriguing podcasts available today. I don’t always agree with you and I am quite positive you don’t agree with me at times, but the fact these conversations can be had in todays “woke” climate is incredible.

The best thing I have learned from y’all is: my thoughts, beliefs, feelings May or may not be truth or fact but the only way to analyze or review them is through open, honest conversation with others willing to have these difficult conversations. Your efforts have been a calming factor In my life as I try to unpack the realities of race, our differences… but most importantly our similarities. It is an education costing me $7/mo. And I have definitely received my moneys worth

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