Conservatives never fail to disappoint. When I think of Black culture, I’m thinking Black Panther and Get Out. They think of rappers. This was made clear when Conservatives said Blacks would vote for Trump because his mugshot appeals to gangstas. They view us as thugs, I view them as Confederates and Nazis.
Rappers are criticized for encouraging thuggery ,but the large scale theft depicted by shows like Billions and Succession is glorified. The population is told greed is good. Drugs enter into the mix as well as access to guns. The Conservative solution to underperforming schools in Houston is to close libraries, fire librarians and convert libraries to detention centers.
Conservatives can go to H-E- double hockey sticks. The folks who really bring the drugs, manufacture the guns, and profit off prison all have a melanin deficiency state. Conservatives are never going to be a part of the solution because the chaos lines their pockets.
Edit to add:
The Conservative in charge of Houston schools is not only replacing libraries with detention centers but is throwing books in the trash. When white supremacists and their fellow travelers talk of their great literature and higher morality, your duty is to laugh.
Rudy Giuliani came to Georgia and claimed that the 2020 election workers in Fulton County were drug dealers (code for blacks?). White folks showing up at 2 black election workers' homes and harassing them because of Rudy's lies? Besides going broke, will Rudy sleep in the lower or upper prison bunks? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The fact they Conservatives were willing to openly terrorize two innocent Black women is disturbing. Even more chilling is that other Conservatives remain silent on the terrorism. Conservatives are willing to vote for the man who inspires the terrorists.
In Germany, it is illegal to carry or fly a Nazi flag. In the United States, a Conservative carried a Confederate flag in the halls of Congress. During the Civil Rights era Southerners were silent as the Klan terrorized and lynched people. Modern Conservatives will do nothing to stop carnage.
BREAKING NEWS: Judge rejects Meadow's bid to move the case to federal court. Will he flip to help bring the Trump house of cards down? I effectively used informants during my career---the game! Lol!
Microsoft analysts have warned that suspected Chinese operatives have used images by artificial intelligence to mimic American voters online and attempt to spread disinformation and provoke discussion division of political issues as the 2024th election approaches.
In the last 9 months, operatives have posted striking AI-made images depicting the *Statue of Liberty* and the *black lives matter movement* on social media, in a campaign that focuses on denigrating US political figures and symbols.
"When Al Gore decided to step aside in 2000 with a stronger case than Trump might have been able ever to mount about how that election was inappropriately decided—they stopped recounting the ballots in Florida—he set one kind of precedent."
The statement above is disingenuous. Al Gore stepped aside because the Supreme Court decided (whether one agrees with decision or not) that continuing the recount process in Florida was unfair and ordered it stopped. Absent that order, Al Gore would probably still be counting ballots in Florida, or, at least claiming victory like Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams.
Whether the 2020 election was conducted fairly or not is important and should be settled. Many of the cases filed by the Trump campaign were dismissed on procedural grounds (which is legitimate) which meant that the arguments were never tested, so doubt remains. This isn't a sign of derangement, but uncertainty and it is in all of our interests to verify the legitimacy of the processes going forward.
Conservative whites' drama about voting in a democracy will increasingly continue as the white dominant group heads toward being a minority population by 2043. I see great unrest ahead and neo-fascism. South Africa apartheid model?
I'm looking forward to this evasive con man (Trump) being held accountable and placed in prison. If it causes major unrest or civil war, bring it on. So be it. Fuck Donald Trump and his minions! Imagine Glenn Lourys *deer in the headlights' moment. * If it went down, It would be, for the most part, limited to isolated insurgencies. I'll have a second career in FEMA camp detention centers. Lol!!!!
Pete Gilbert Pasquotank County NC GOP chairman: After ruling that on-campus address cannot be used to establish residency: "I plan to take this show on the road"
Ken Emanuelson Dallas Tea Party Activist: “I’m going to be real honest with you, the Republican Party doesn’t want black people to vote if they’re going to vote 9-to-1 for Democrats.”
Don Yelton Buncombe NC GOP precinct chairman: "The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt, If it hurts a bunch of college kids too lazy to get up off their bohonkas and go get a photo ID, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of whites, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, so be it."
Carol Swain would have no problem if her interpretation of Christianity drove maternal health care into the ditch. We have to encourage people to vote. Conservatives will not course correct. They have a convicted sex offender as their leader and want the ability to overturn elections. Court battles are being fought to prevent voting suppression. We have to remain hopeful.
If Conservatives win, we will remember the words of Claude McCay
If we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursèd lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen! we must meet the common foe!
Though far outnumbered let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one death-blow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we’ll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!
Conservatives are not going to back down. They tell us their plans with no pushback from Conservative ranks stating violence is unacceptable
Republican Georgia state Sen. Colton Moore on Tuesday told "War Room" host Steve Bannon that he plans to push the legislature to defund Fulton District Attorney Fani Willis' prosecution of former President Donald Trump and 18 co-defendants, arguing that Trump's prosecution threatens to ignite a "civil war." Moore complained that indicted fellow state Sen. Shawn Still is going to have to spend "a million dollars" to defend himself in the case. "It's just like Nazi Germany," Moore claimed. "I mean, they want to call us the Nazis and their actions are Nazism."
There is actually a book, “Passing For Who You Really Are: Essays in Support of Multiracial Whiteness”, written by a biracial women. As the title suggests, she rejects being lumped in with the darker skinned people who vote for Democrats. Enrique Tarrio and Harrison Floyd bought into the delusion that they were different.
I mentioned before that Black Republicans were told to shut up when they complained about the idea of Blacks benefiting from slavery. DeSantis specifically called out Tom Scott. The release of the full list of people the GA Grand Jury was ready to indict is telling. Republicans will only accept election results if they win. Any loss will be considered a rigged election. Situational awareness is of utmost importance.
Imagine the Mexican Mafia (eme) in Los Angeles discovering your disrespect against La Raza? They control the street gangs there. The Latin American drug cartels? Lol!
With great respect for you and much of what you stand for and promote on your show, the problem is not having people like Carol Swain on the show. It's treating them with kid gloves once they are on the show, which is a way of giving them credence.
I joined this site in an attempt to hear rational arguments from Conservatives. Instead, I got venom and a jumbled explanation of their positions. They lack morals. Their only goal is to create an authoritarian government.
Glenn and John have no idea what is occurring outside of their limited viewpoint. We could rename this site what the dumb darker skinned people are doing wrong today. The guy wearing a N*ggas for Trump T-shirt was an embarrassment. Full stop.
I agree with you about being armed. Conservatives will not counter the racism coming from their ranks. In fact, the site gives them aid and comfort by telling Conservatives the label can be dismissed as equivalent to be calling someone a witch.
I've noticed that nobody in this discussion has mentioned that Hillary Clinton claimed that the election was stolen from her and same with Stacy abrams. Neither of them are called sociopaths. And I don't know if anybody noticed that in Mississippi they have just announced that there was pretty extensive voter irregularities with checks and double checks that were not done and a lot of information that is missing.
I struggle to understand how anyone can honestly see Clinton, Abrams in the same light as Trump.
1. Hillary Clinton gave a *concession* speech the morning after election night. She did not file any frivolous lawsuits (third-party candidate/grifter Jill Stein did that). She did not try to scheme her way into the Presidency, there was never any question after her concession about her accepting the results, and she did not try to incite any violence or produce fake electors.
2. Stacey Abrams' race was not called formally until about 10 days after election day. The day after it was called, she gave her famous (infamous?) non-concession speech. (Which I would argue was the first of several major political miscalculations on her part, but that is a different topic.) At a ny rate, she did not file any frivolous lawsuits seeking to have the election awarded to her, and in her speech she acknowledged that her opponent and not her would be taking office in January. She did not attempt any schemes to contest the election. At the end of the day, I think Kemp's margin of victory was large enough that an automatic recount was not called for under GA law. Abrams campaign might have been able to push for (and pay for) a recount, but she did not.
3. Trump not only refused to accept the result of the election even after losing dozens of bordeline frivolous lawsuits, but he also did attempt to use violance and fake elector schemes as a way to stay in office via a self-coup.
Mississippi is a racist shithole, a state with the largest black population with no true black political representation or power. The antebellum White supremacists there set up an old framework to mitigate black power.
1. There is a difference between claims that an election was stolen because of voter suppression or outside interference versus claims of fraud. Glenn and John even talk about this in the podcast when they discuss the media and Hunter Biden. Those types of claims are often made by losing candidates on both sides. But they are different than actually claiming the voting process itself was compromised without evidence.
2. The reason Clinton and Abrams are not treated like sociopaths like Trump is this:
Also, outside of legal challenges, Clinton and Abrams never tried to overturn the results of an election through extra judicial means.
3. I don't know anything about the claims in Mississippi, but if you believe that those elections were flawed and that officials there should step down until a new, fair vote takes place, I'm not going to argue with you.
Glenn makes an interesting claim in this post (as he did on the podcast with John). At some level it is true - people need to believe in the integrity of elections, and additional security measures may be justified even in the absence of any fraud if it increases public confidence.
I don't know if Glenn is aware of this or not, but his argument here tracks part of Justice Alito's opininon in the Brnovich case deicded in 2022.
1. I think it is clear that the Trump campaign and the Trumpist wing of the GOP have invested millions of dollars and considerable time and effort in convicing the public (at least the Trump supporting public) that our election systems are insecure. In effect they waged a massive PR campaign. Glenn's argument here sort of implies that that sort of fearmongering should be rewarded... If you want a change in elections rules that can be justified as increasing security, the way to get there is by engaging in the kind of PR campaign that Trump did? I have trouble buying that.
2. It is true that there are many people who believe that our elections are insecure and that this could be addressed through making election changes that tend to restrict access to the polls - make it harder to get registered and to show up and vote. But there are also many people who believe that our elections are unfair because of voter suppression - changes to election rules that make it harder for eliglibe voters to register, stay registered, and cast their ballots. As a result, the argument goes, the results of elections cannot be trusted. Why is the voter suppression argument any less justified? The Trump campaing asked various courts for literally this: they wanted Michigan to toss the ballots from Detroit, and Wisconsin to not count the ballots from Milwaukee. They asked the Supreme Court to throw away the electoral votes from 4 states: PA, GA, MI, AZ.
I'd argue that concerns about voter suppression are just as valid a basis to distruct election results and concerns about large scale, outcome determinative fraud. The evidence that various voting law changes have suppressed the vote in outcome determinative ways is, at best, dubious. Just like the evidence (or lack thereof) of fraud. If one perceived problem can justify changes to election law, the other should too.
Michael: I agree with many of your sentiments here, but I think there are ways to address both voting integrity and voter suppression simultaneously.
For example, I have no problems with ID requirements as long as we make it easy for folks who don't have IDs to get or replace them. And I have no problem with laws that aim to limit voting by mail if we open polls for a longer period of time (say a week before election day), keep them open until late into the night, and offer free transportation options for folks who don't live close to their polling place.
With just a little bit of investment, we should be able to have both more secure elections and increased voter participation. Think this investment would be well worth it in terms of increasing confidence in election results, even if the lack of confidence today is a function of having such a terrible person leading one of the parties versus actual examples of fraud.
At a theoretical level, I think that is true. In practice, those pushing for "increased security" tend to do so in ways that make it more difficult for to vote legally.
If someone truly believed in, say, voter ID, but was not interested in using voter ID as a way to disenfrashcise certain types of voters, their voter ID proposal would not look the same as someone who was actually trying to disenfranchise. (Stacy Abrams, very much known as a voting rights advocate, is on record as supporting voter ID in concept).
IDs don't have a damn thing to do with whites in the GOP diluting black voting districts in the South. Alabama is still resisting the federal court's instruction to remap their representative districts. We're talking about flagrant racism against blacks to erase them from the equation. Let's cut through the bullshit.
If violence happens during or after a Trump involved election, the blood will solely be on the hands of Conservatives. Multiple trials were lost. We have the GA phone conversation. We have the conviction of Guiliani. We have the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson, etc. Conservations only believe that elections are valid if a Conservative wins. Given the cult like behavior of Conservatives, this battle was going to occur at some point. Let us confront the authoritarian behavior of Conservatives now.
Poor Rudy will be exposed to a lot of "stop and frisk. " Lol!
Conservatives never fail to disappoint. When I think of Black culture, I’m thinking Black Panther and Get Out. They think of rappers. This was made clear when Conservatives said Blacks would vote for Trump because his mugshot appeals to gangstas. They view us as thugs, I view them as Confederates and Nazis.
Rappers are criticized for encouraging thuggery ,but the large scale theft depicted by shows like Billions and Succession is glorified. The population is told greed is good. Drugs enter into the mix as well as access to guns. The Conservative solution to underperforming schools in Houston is to close libraries, fire librarians and convert libraries to detention centers.
Conservatives can go to H-E- double hockey sticks. The folks who really bring the drugs, manufacture the guns, and profit off prison all have a melanin deficiency state. Conservatives are never going to be a part of the solution because the chaos lines their pockets.
Edit to add:
The Conservative in charge of Houston schools is not only replacing libraries with detention centers but is throwing books in the trash. When white supremacists and their fellow travelers talk of their great literature and higher morality, your duty is to laugh.
Rudy Giuliani came to Georgia and claimed that the 2020 election workers in Fulton County were drug dealers (code for blacks?). White folks showing up at 2 black election workers' homes and harassing them because of Rudy's lies? Besides going broke, will Rudy sleep in the lower or upper prison bunks? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The fact they Conservatives were willing to openly terrorize two innocent Black women is disturbing. Even more chilling is that other Conservatives remain silent on the terrorism. Conservatives are willing to vote for the man who inspires the terrorists.
In Germany, it is illegal to carry or fly a Nazi flag. In the United States, a Conservative carried a Confederate flag in the halls of Congress. During the Civil Rights era Southerners were silent as the Klan terrorized and lynched people. Modern Conservatives will do nothing to stop carnage.
Stay Woke.
BREAKING NEWS: Judge rejects Meadow's bid to move the case to federal court. Will he flip to help bring the Trump house of cards down? I effectively used informants during my career---the game! Lol!
Microsoft analysts have warned that suspected Chinese operatives have used images by artificial intelligence to mimic American voters online and attempt to spread disinformation and provoke discussion division of political issues as the 2024th election approaches.
In the last 9 months, operatives have posted striking AI-made images depicting the *Statue of Liberty* and the *black lives matter movement* on social media, in a campaign that focuses on denigrating US political figures and symbols.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/chinese-operatives-ai-images-social-media/index.html
I have seen “Black” websites telling people to vote Trump. Laughable.
BTW It seems Peter Navarro fooled around and found out.
In order to improve election integrity and restore confidence in our elections we should:
1. Minimize early voting.
2. Have documented auditable means of verifying early votes.
3. Encourage in person voting on Election Day.
4. Require bona fide ID for everyone that votes.
"When Al Gore decided to step aside in 2000 with a stronger case than Trump might have been able ever to mount about how that election was inappropriately decided—they stopped recounting the ballots in Florida—he set one kind of precedent."
The statement above is disingenuous. Al Gore stepped aside because the Supreme Court decided (whether one agrees with decision or not) that continuing the recount process in Florida was unfair and ordered it stopped. Absent that order, Al Gore would probably still be counting ballots in Florida, or, at least claiming victory like Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams.
Whether the 2020 election was conducted fairly or not is important and should be settled. Many of the cases filed by the Trump campaign were dismissed on procedural grounds (which is legitimate) which meant that the arguments were never tested, so doubt remains. This isn't a sign of derangement, but uncertainty and it is in all of our interests to verify the legitimacy of the processes going forward.
Conservative whites' drama about voting in a democracy will increasingly continue as the white dominant group heads toward being a minority population by 2043. I see great unrest ahead and neo-fascism. South Africa apartheid model?
I'm looking forward to this evasive con man (Trump) being held accountable and placed in prison. If it causes major unrest or civil war, bring it on. So be it. Fuck Donald Trump and his minions! Imagine Glenn Lourys *deer in the headlights' moment. * If it went down, It would be, for the most part, limited to isolated insurgencies. I'll have a second career in FEMA camp detention centers. Lol!!!!
Republicans have not been shy about the real intent of voter id:
Mike Turzai PA House Majority Leader: "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."
http://www.politicspa.com/turzai-voter-id-law-means-romney-can-win-pa/37153/
Pete Gilbert Pasquotank County NC GOP chairman: After ruling that on-campus address cannot be used to establish residency: "I plan to take this show on the road"
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/17/3115208/college-students-will-have-to.html
Ken Emanuelson Dallas Tea Party Activist: “I’m going to be real honest with you, the Republican Party doesn’t want black people to vote if they’re going to vote 9-to-1 for Democrats.”
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/06/texas-democratic-group-targets-dallas-tea-party-activist-and-comment-about-black-voters.html/
Don Yelton Buncombe NC GOP precinct chairman: "The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt, If it hurts a bunch of college kids too lazy to get up off their bohonkas and go get a photo ID, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of whites, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, so be it."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/24/north-carolina-yelton-resigns/3184993/
Conservatives are driving obstetricians from Red states, threatening overall maternal care. Because they are authoritarians, they do not care.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/us/politics/abortion-obstetricians-maternity-care.html
Carol Swain would have no problem if her interpretation of Christianity drove maternal health care into the ditch. We have to encourage people to vote. Conservatives will not course correct. They have a convicted sex offender as their leader and want the ability to overturn elections. Court battles are being fought to prevent voting suppression. We have to remain hopeful.
If Conservatives win, we will remember the words of Claude McCay
If we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursèd lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen! we must meet the common foe!
Though far outnumbered let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one death-blow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we’ll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!
Conservatives are not going to back down. They tell us their plans with no pushback from Conservative ranks stating violence is unacceptable
Republican Georgia state Sen. Colton Moore on Tuesday told "War Room" host Steve Bannon that he plans to push the legislature to defund Fulton District Attorney Fani Willis' prosecution of former President Donald Trump and 18 co-defendants, arguing that Trump's prosecution threatens to ignite a "civil war." Moore complained that indicted fellow state Sen. Shawn Still is going to have to spend "a million dollars" to defend himself in the case. "It's just like Nazi Germany," Moore claimed. "I mean, they want to call us the Nazis and their actions are Nazism."
https://www.salon.com/2023/08/30/i-dont-want-to-have-to-draw-my-rifle-georgia-goper-warns-of-civil-war-if-is-prosecuted/
Only other Conservatives can talk them down
Proud Boys Enrique Tarrio gets 22 years in prison. He begged for mercy. Another race soldier bites the dust.
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2023/09/05/proud-boys-enrique-tarrio-sentenced-22-years-prison-jan-6-seditious-conspiracy/
Multiracial whiteness
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/15/understand-trumps-support-we-must-think-terms-multiracial-whiteness/
Found it on NPR.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/24/960060957/understanding-multiracial-whiteness-and-trump-supporters
I don't subscribe to the Washington Post. Your summary. Thanks!
There is actually a book, “Passing For Who You Really Are: Essays in Support of Multiracial Whiteness”, written by a biracial women. As the title suggests, she rejects being lumped in with the darker skinned people who vote for Democrats. Enrique Tarrio and Harrison Floyd bought into the delusion that they were different.
I mentioned before that Black Republicans were told to shut up when they complained about the idea of Blacks benefiting from slavery. DeSantis specifically called out Tom Scott. The release of the full list of people the GA Grand Jury was ready to indict is telling. Republicans will only accept election results if they win. Any loss will be considered a rigged election. Situational awareness is of utmost importance.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism
https://bowdoinorient.com/2017/04/13/debunking-the-myth-of-color-blindness-in-a-racist-society/
Thanks.
Children in Germany are taught about the Holocaust. Somehow, teaching the truth about chattel slavery to children in the United States is harmful.
I visited Germany a few years ago, and the remembrance of the holocaust is everywhere. Walking through some of the memorials was quite chilling.
And here we have Monty.
Keepin' the stereotype alive.
Imagine the Mexican Mafia (eme) in Los Angeles discovering your disrespect against La Raza? They control the street gangs there. The Latin American drug cartels? Lol!
Glenn,
With great respect for you and much of what you stand for and promote on your show, the problem is not having people like Carol Swain on the show. It's treating them with kid gloves once they are on the show, which is a way of giving them credence.
Glenn and John believe that we hear less about “Woke” because Conservatives won. The truth is that anti-Woke school board candidates got clobbered.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/17/gop-school-board-races-midwest-00092232
Additionally Conservative candidates are backing off the attacks on awoke, because most people still have a positive image of the term
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/06/us/politics/woke-republicans-poll.html
I joined this site in an attempt to hear rational arguments from Conservatives. Instead, I got venom and a jumbled explanation of their positions. They lack morals. Their only goal is to create an authoritarian government.
Glenn and John have no idea what is occurring outside of their limited viewpoint. We could rename this site what the dumb darker skinned people are doing wrong today. The guy wearing a N*ggas for Trump T-shirt was an embarrassment. Full stop.
I agree with you about being armed. Conservatives will not counter the racism coming from their ranks. In fact, the site gives them aid and comfort by telling Conservatives the label can be dismissed as equivalent to be calling someone a witch.
Do the 2 of you think the 1960 Kennedy, Nixon election, was a fair election?
Do I believe that your m**** should have said no...?
I've noticed that nobody in this discussion has mentioned that Hillary Clinton claimed that the election was stolen from her and same with Stacy abrams. Neither of them are called sociopaths. And I don't know if anybody noticed that in Mississippi they have just announced that there was pretty extensive voter irregularities with checks and double checks that were not done and a lot of information that is missing.
I struggle to understand how anyone can honestly see Clinton, Abrams in the same light as Trump.
1. Hillary Clinton gave a *concession* speech the morning after election night. She did not file any frivolous lawsuits (third-party candidate/grifter Jill Stein did that). She did not try to scheme her way into the Presidency, there was never any question after her concession about her accepting the results, and she did not try to incite any violence or produce fake electors.
2. Stacey Abrams' race was not called formally until about 10 days after election day. The day after it was called, she gave her famous (infamous?) non-concession speech. (Which I would argue was the first of several major political miscalculations on her part, but that is a different topic.) At a ny rate, she did not file any frivolous lawsuits seeking to have the election awarded to her, and in her speech she acknowledged that her opponent and not her would be taking office in January. She did not attempt any schemes to contest the election. At the end of the day, I think Kemp's margin of victory was large enough that an automatic recount was not called for under GA law. Abrams campaign might have been able to push for (and pay for) a recount, but she did not.
3. Trump not only refused to accept the result of the election even after losing dozens of bordeline frivolous lawsuits, but he also did attempt to use violance and fake elector schemes as a way to stay in office via a self-coup.
One of those is not like the others.
Mississippi is a racist shithole, a state with the largest black population with no true black political representation or power. The antebellum White supremacists there set up an old framework to mitigate black power.
Three points Kevin:
1. There is a difference between claims that an election was stolen because of voter suppression or outside interference versus claims of fraud. Glenn and John even talk about this in the podcast when they discuss the media and Hunter Biden. Those types of claims are often made by losing candidates on both sides. But they are different than actually claiming the voting process itself was compromised without evidence.
2. The reason Clinton and Abrams are not treated like sociopaths like Trump is this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-updates-on-the-2016-election-voting-and-race-results/hillary-clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-and-a-chance-to-lead/
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/09/abrams-kemp-georgia-governor-election-concession
Also, outside of legal challenges, Clinton and Abrams never tried to overturn the results of an election through extra judicial means.
3. I don't know anything about the claims in Mississippi, but if you believe that those elections were flawed and that officials there should step down until a new, fair vote takes place, I'm not going to argue with you.
Glenn makes an interesting claim in this post (as he did on the podcast with John). At some level it is true - people need to believe in the integrity of elections, and additional security measures may be justified even in the absence of any fraud if it increases public confidence.
I don't know if Glenn is aware of this or not, but his argument here tracks part of Justice Alito's opininon in the Brnovich case deicded in 2022.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/19-1257_g204.pdf
I have 2 problems with the argument.
1. I think it is clear that the Trump campaign and the Trumpist wing of the GOP have invested millions of dollars and considerable time and effort in convicing the public (at least the Trump supporting public) that our election systems are insecure. In effect they waged a massive PR campaign. Glenn's argument here sort of implies that that sort of fearmongering should be rewarded... If you want a change in elections rules that can be justified as increasing security, the way to get there is by engaging in the kind of PR campaign that Trump did? I have trouble buying that.
2. It is true that there are many people who believe that our elections are insecure and that this could be addressed through making election changes that tend to restrict access to the polls - make it harder to get registered and to show up and vote. But there are also many people who believe that our elections are unfair because of voter suppression - changes to election rules that make it harder for eliglibe voters to register, stay registered, and cast their ballots. As a result, the argument goes, the results of elections cannot be trusted. Why is the voter suppression argument any less justified? The Trump campaing asked various courts for literally this: they wanted Michigan to toss the ballots from Detroit, and Wisconsin to not count the ballots from Milwaukee. They asked the Supreme Court to throw away the electoral votes from 4 states: PA, GA, MI, AZ.
I'd argue that concerns about voter suppression are just as valid a basis to distruct election results and concerns about large scale, outcome determinative fraud. The evidence that various voting law changes have suppressed the vote in outcome determinative ways is, at best, dubious. Just like the evidence (or lack thereof) of fraud. If one perceived problem can justify changes to election law, the other should too.
Michael: I agree with many of your sentiments here, but I think there are ways to address both voting integrity and voter suppression simultaneously.
For example, I have no problems with ID requirements as long as we make it easy for folks who don't have IDs to get or replace them. And I have no problem with laws that aim to limit voting by mail if we open polls for a longer period of time (say a week before election day), keep them open until late into the night, and offer free transportation options for folks who don't live close to their polling place.
With just a little bit of investment, we should be able to have both more secure elections and increased voter participation. Think this investment would be well worth it in terms of increasing confidence in election results, even if the lack of confidence today is a function of having such a terrible person leading one of the parties versus actual examples of fraud.
At a theoretical level, I think that is true. In practice, those pushing for "increased security" tend to do so in ways that make it more difficult for to vote legally.
If someone truly believed in, say, voter ID, but was not interested in using voter ID as a way to disenfrashcise certain types of voters, their voter ID proposal would not look the same as someone who was actually trying to disenfranchise. (Stacy Abrams, very much known as a voting rights advocate, is on record as supporting voter ID in concept).
IDs don't have a damn thing to do with whites in the GOP diluting black voting districts in the South. Alabama is still resisting the federal court's instruction to remap their representative districts. We're talking about flagrant racism against blacks to erase them from the equation. Let's cut through the bullshit.
While I would love to see all gerrymandering declared unconstitutional, the Alabama cases are being handled by the courts (as they should be).
Regardless, election integrity is something completely different, and there is no reason that efforts can't happen along both dimensions.
An insecure childlike conman inflated election fraud. He's a very dangerous sociopathic narcissist---cult of personality!
If violence happens during or after a Trump involved election, the blood will solely be on the hands of Conservatives. Multiple trials were lost. We have the GA phone conversation. We have the conviction of Guiliani. We have the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson, etc. Conservations only believe that elections are valid if a Conservative wins. Given the cult like behavior of Conservatives, this battle was going to occur at some point. Let us confront the authoritarian behavior of Conservatives now.
Edit to add
Enrique Tarrio just got 22 years.