How do any kids regardless of race that come from a disadvantaged community compete with kids that go to the best schools (many private prep schools) that demand academic excellence. Kids in these better schools are forced to compete with each other. These kids have more challenging classes and more choices of what classes they can take. These kids are measured, often times publicly measured against their peers. I am not even including advantages in individual households or communities.
There is a standardized test given to all kids when they are 16 or 17, regardless of what schools they attend, what communities they live in, what kind of home they come from. And we are surprised there are test score differences.
We need to test kids earlier and give resources and opportunities for the kids that have the intellectual ability to advance and complete against anyone.
As difficult as it may be, we must begin by scraping away the politics...scrape away the emotion .......to consider the fundamental question: what is racial equality?
The answer is quite simple. It's nothing.
Or rather it's nothing we here, in this world, can address beyond the elegance of the declaration : all men are created equal.
We agree, of course, but so what?
Does it mean we all look alike? We all weigh the same? Have the same hair color or nose size? Not in the least. Does it mean we're all equally smart, equally fast, equally quick, equally determined, equally competent at all equally available things? No, it doesn't mean that either. Does it guarantee in some Constitutional way that we'll all be equally successful, equally wealthy, equally positioned within an equal social & cultural context, equally shared? Of course not.
To say all men are created equal is to say only that all men are equal before God and -- or so we hope -- the Law. But the law is a very human thing, made by humans, administered by humans, and subject perpetually to human error. So the fact of our philosophical equality before it does not and cannot guarantee our perfect equality before the human understanding and administration of that law.
So what does it truly mean to say we are equal? It means that God considers us all the same.
But beyond that holy truth, we are as different as snowflakes. Born with unequal sets of genetic luggage, we walk into the unequal lives our unequal parents unequally made. Gifted with entirely different sets of talents, abilities, proclivities, strengths, weaknesses, tendencies, preferences, ambitions and fears...we each wrestle the very same question: what are we to do? How we answer that question produces, of course, nothing but more inequalities.
Truthfully, we wouldn't have it any other way. We strive, not to be the same as everyone else, but to be better, to achieve more, to make an 'unequal' life for our children which is better than the unequal life our parents made for us. And on it goes.
So given this understand, what then is Racial Equality?
Well, it's the same as any other kind of demographic 'equality'. It's an empty trope, a sounding brass. What could it possibly mean -- for Black people to be equal to Asian people to be equal to White People who are equal to Brown People (and every skin tone shade in between)? Quite obviously these things aren't true and can never be true in any kind of real world, tangible way: just line us up and look at us. Look at what we've done with our lives. Look at anything or everything and all you'll see is Difference.
Ah, but what about the Law of Large Numbers? Would we expect -- shouldn't we expect -- that equivalently unequal populations of individuals, taken as a massive group, demonstrate some kind of magical equal achievement averages, over time, in the long run? The best we can say is Maybe. Maybe, given a constant social & cultural equality of context across all populations, then maybe those large numbers over time balance out. But our social & cultural contexts aren't equal. Growing-up in a small town is vastly different from growing up in the inner city. Growing up with one parent is vastly different from growing-up with two. Having a drug addict for a brother is different from a brother who’s a valedictorian. To Glenn's very point, the 'developmentals' are not the same, and until or unless the State acts to standardize everyone’s ‘developmentals’.... to remove every child from that child's home and give him or her to the State to be raised within the loving embrace of the State, within a State home, taught by State Teachers, in a State approved fashion...those developmentals will never be the same.
And the ‘long run – over time’ question? Heck, I’d give it 2000 years – just a small moment carved from eternity. Come back to me when we have that data which measures the nature of social & cultural cross-group equality as we compare the year 1000 with the year 3000. Or what the heck, what about the comparison of the year 1000 with 2000? Just one measly millennium. That’s not asking too much is it? Well we can’t do that either. We think the ‘long run’ is two generations, maybe three. And of course it’s not, not if we want the ‘law of large numbers’ to be impactful.
As for Affirmative Action & Reparations, neither works. . Nor can we reasonably believe they should work. The NBA has existed for 77 years. 71% of the NBA is Black. 66% of the population is White. This is, no doubt about it, a massive racial inequality. Three generations of players have come & gone and STILL we have this massive outcome imbalance. Doesn’t AAction tell us we should be acting to fix that? Shouldn’t we be altering entrance standards (like playing outstanding college ball) to allow the ’lesser qualified’ (those who didn’t make their college teams) a place on the professional bench?
God no. No one wants that. No one is even asking for that because we all understand, intuitively, that two wrongs do not make a right. Mandating a ‘racially equal’ basketball team mandates Mediocrity AND it cheats those more qualified out of their NBA opportunity. The End, no matter how glorious it might sound, does not and cannot justify the Means. Because someone at some point in the past – who looked vaguely like me -- discriminated against someone else who looked vaguely like you...the fact of that wrongful discrimination does not mean that I owe you anything. It does not even mean that you are in any way owed. Two differently colored newborns in the nursery lying side-by-side do not enter the world with either an account payable or an account due.
So what remains?
The same thing that always remains:
“It matters not how strait the gate..... How charged with punishments the scroll... I am the master of my fate... I am the captain of my soul.
Unequal at birth, unequal in life we can only do what we have ever done which is, always and forever, ‘the best we can’. Where that best effort ends-up, how our life is then summed:
“We believe... in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that’s no matter – tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther….And one fine morning — So we beat on, boats against the current...”
Glenn, I’m struck by how little you and Randall actually disagree on substance. It mostly seems to be a difference in how you react emotionally to data that leads you rationally to pretty similar conclusions.
Data? Lol!!!! The group wealth of blacks of less than 2% hasn't since the ever of the American Civil War, at which time there were 400 thousand semi-free blacks and 4 million slaves. Freed blacks left the plantations with just the clothes on their backs (no money, no food, no land, no tools, no firearms to protect themselves, etc. Many were forced back into semi-slavery as exploited sharecroppers. Don't forget the peonage.
European immigrants got the headstart with 2 billion acres of Indian land, abundant free African labor, and Jim Crow. During Jim Crow, blacks were excluded from Social Security benefits (domestic & farm workers), GI benefits in the South where whites controlled the dispensing, FHA mortgages, etc. FDR's New Deal programs mostly benefited whites who built equity.
According to studies, it will take about 230 years for blacks to catch up with average individual white wealth. Massive generational wealth and power were maldistributed to whites through institutionalized slavery and apartheid.
Racism is a competitive relationship between groups for ownership and control of resources for wealth and power---a team sport. Whites got the headstart with blacks never being part of the race. Moreover, the first constitution was the white affirmative action program. It was written in broad and ambiguous language to camouflage the hypocrisy of slavery.
We are no longer a binary nation because of the 1965 immigration law which has been a major disaster for blacks who have earned benefits. Immigrants have ridden in on the coattails of great black sacrifice. And white women have mostly benefitted from affirmative action.
Whites on the left and right are using the buffer class (e.g., Hispanics, Asians, and whatnot) to insulate themselves from seriously addressing the benign neglect of black issues. Liberals just shuffle the chairs on a sinking ship to make blacks feel happy. On the other hand, conservatives just sink the ship.
We have black bootlicks on both the left and right, from "fish fry" Congressman James Cylburn to Senator Tim Scott. The Black leadership class, politicians, preachers, entertainers, and athletes aren't providing sufficient cohesive leadership. Social integration severely damaged black cohesiveness.
Blacks left their communities where small businesses were more present, and allowed other minority cohesive groups (i.e., Hispanics) to move in and replace them. Billions of dollars are now being spent on undocumented Hispanic immigrants. They're being sent to black communities where resources are very limited.
Jim Crow Joe Biden, in a post-election conference call with black leaders, said that the Hispanic population has surpassed the black population in America and that whites need to pay more attention to them. Furthermore, he recommended that blacks get along better with Hispanics. Lol!!!!
Minority groups are fighting for the leftovers. 40 years from now? Diversity diverts resources. Lol!!!!
Tonight while traveling, I find myself in the middle of nowhere in Big Piney, Wyoming. I check into this old but clean motel, settle down, grab a chair outside, watch the sunset and have a chance to read about this discussion/debate by 2 intelligent, well read, well written, intellectual academics.
Before I can finish, a carload of black guys roll up and start arguing with one another. F and N words flying, a local mother gathers up her young son who is staring with mouth agape at the increasing loud incident. As the mother starts walking away, the kid is pointing in their direction saying, "Mom, he said he's gonna kill him, he's gonna kill him."
I gather my things and head to my room thinking. These guys are keeping the stereotype alive, and this is as good as it gets.
"In 1854, Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote the chapter "Poor White Trash" in her book A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin. Stowe wrote that slavery not only produces "degraded, miserable slaves", but also "a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe." The plantation system forced those whites to struggle for subsistence, becoming an "inconceivably brutal" group resembling "some blind, savage monster, which, when aroused, tramples heedlessly over everything in its way." Beyond economic factors, Stowe traces the existence of this class to the shortage of schools and churches in their communities, and remarks that both blacks and whites in the area look down on these "poor white trash".
I'm vacationing in beautiful South Lake Tahoe, wasting my time and energy on an ignorant "cracker"---spiral. You need to spiral down the sewer in Wyoming.
Thomas Sowell relates that the whites have their niggers and the blacks have their rednecks. Perhaps, you, spiral, should brush up on McWhinny and Sowell to improve your deficient "cracker" intellectual dishonesty. Studies have shown that blacks from the Caribbean, not exposed to the antebellum southern cracker culture, have done very well in America. Ditto for the Nigerians.
The antebellum southern cracker culture emanated from the old cracker culture in northern England, Wales, Ireland, and Scotland. The culture involved high illiteracy, sexual promiscuity, clan violence, herdsmen, pleasure for the sake of pleasure, etc. Fredrick Douglas confirmed the above during his visit to Ireland in the 1950s during the potato famine. Anglo-Saxons considered the Celtics inferior, offering no assistance to minimize the 1 million Irish who starved to death. Furthermore, Douglas recommended against Irish immigration to America, being concerned about the Irish competing for limited employment with the semi-freed blacks in the north (e.g., New York).
The English would normally settle the Celtics in Indian Territory as a buffer. These two groups had different value systems and ways of life. In the old cracker culture in the British Isles, the men would practice castration during mutual combat. Castrations of black men in the antebellum South?
Spiral is a sorry-ass white racist propagandist who needs to be brutally punked without mercy. I used to rescue nuisances like him from Aryan Brotherhood prison gang rape during my long career in the prison industrial complex. Hundreds of sutures on where the sun doesn't shine and infinite best rest on the bunk with belly down. A new drug mule was then born for the AB prison gang. The former leaders of the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers are now screaming out for mercy, "help me, momma... I can't breathe... don't hurt me...please spare my manhood." 🤡🤡🤡🤡
What, in Spiral's observation that the behavior he witnessed is, indeed, the source of certain stereotypes, do you find so obscenely objectionable?
In fact, as we all know. stereotypes exist because enough people have seen enough evidence on enough occasions to create the 'simplified image' or understanding of "X" whatever "X" may be. First impressions are based on stereotypes. Our conversations are filled with them. We all use them, rightly or wrongly...accurately or inaccurately....explicitly or implicitly. They exist because they contain, on average, a certain element of truth (they can be useful shorthand summaries....as in "He's your typical football player"); they're dangerous, especially if used indiscriminately, because they also contain a significant exaggeration or untruth. They also, needless to say, do not universally apply to everyone who shares that category. Brian May, as a for instance, does not really fit the stereotype of 'lead guitarist for a major rock band'.
If you google the word 'stereotype' and combine that with 'WalMart shoppers'... 'Valley Girls'....'Goths'....'Teenage Gangs'....'Football Players'.... 'Karens'.... 'businessman'.... 'addict'....'Feminist'... 'Gay'.... 'Computer Guy'... you name it....you'll find a collection of images and descriptions which play off the stereotypical understanding of each one of those categories.
If Spiral had said, speaking of a ComicCon he happened to visit, and the people he saw gushing enthusiastically about the costume accuracy of the latest Thor movie, "these guys are keeping the stereotype alive"...would you find that equally disturbing?
Of course one way to avoid such kneejerk stereotyping is to pay attention to what is actually being said...vs what we may fear is being said or implied or even felt. Easy to say, sometimes hard to do.
the floor with uncontrollable laughter. She's wondering how spiral compensates for his very small manhood. Why did insecure great-grandpa castrate black men during the Jim Crow era in connection to white women? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't apologize for my so-called vitriol comments about a bigoted clown like spiral. Spiral is a passive-aggressive loser. Spiral has a backstory that encompasses a pattern of denigrating comments about the descendants of American slavery and the savage legacy of Jim Crow (semi-slavery).
My career involved working in a very ruthless environment around assholes like spiral. It makes no logical sense to sing, "We Shall Overcome" when some asshole is crushing your head in with various sorts of inanimate objects, figuratively speaking.
If spiral wants to have real adulterated discussions without the childish games (passive-aggressive bullshit), I have no problems. I would respect him more if he wore a blood-stained white hood or sported a swastika, expressing more direct feelings.
BTW, you would have been an interesting nerd to manage.
And your vitriol has nothing to do with the substance of his comment here, which stands alone and seems inarguable, but with something he said somewhere else, at some other time, on some other subject, to someone else, that evidently tweaked (and still tweaks) your exquisite sensitivities intolerably???
Well...nothing we can say to that. The rest of us have no idea what you think you've read or how you might have imagined it; we can only marvel at the response. Oh well.
You would be much better served restricting your sputtering rants to the subject at hand, but hey -- feel free. You have my permission to rant to your heart's content.
you know , people in the struggle and those who critiqued need to accept the world has changed . we are not a black and white nation , we are truly diverse and in ways binary thinking no longer serves a purpose
Racism is a competitive relationship between groups for ownership and control of resources for wealth and power---a team sport. For example, Koreans own and control the billion-dollar black hair care products industry, and vehemently refuse to assist black entrepreneurs into the business. There are many Asian businesses in black communities, transferring wealth back to their communities. Asians will not allow small black businesses in their communities. In predominantly black Detroit, the Arabs own and control most of the gas stations. Where are the prosperous black towns like the prosperous Chinatowns? Black folks got bamboozled with integration. The Asians bounce money around in their communities several times before it leaves. Blacks: Zero! Social integration is immeasurable; it can't be deposited into the bank. Blacks tend to look out for everyone except for themselves. Immigration and diversity aren't in the best interests of blacks. Liberals just shuffle the chairs on a sinking ship to make blacks feel happy when billions of dollars are being directed to hordes of undocumented Hispanics being placed in black communities with very limited resources. On the other hand, conservatives just sink the ship, preserving the status quo of wealth and power. Blacks need to wake the fuck up and get into the race, which was started by the Portuguese. Racism will be here until the end of days.
How do any kids regardless of race that come from a disadvantaged community compete with kids that go to the best schools (many private prep schools) that demand academic excellence. Kids in these better schools are forced to compete with each other. These kids have more challenging classes and more choices of what classes they can take. These kids are measured, often times publicly measured against their peers. I am not even including advantages in individual households or communities.
There is a standardized test given to all kids when they are 16 or 17, regardless of what schools they attend, what communities they live in, what kind of home they come from. And we are surprised there are test score differences.
We need to test kids earlier and give resources and opportunities for the kids that have the intellectual ability to advance and complete against anyone.
What?!? And give up the "Minority's" privilege to hate others, situated atop a sanctimonious high horse? Never!!!
As difficult as it may be, we must begin by scraping away the politics...scrape away the emotion .......to consider the fundamental question: what is racial equality?
The answer is quite simple. It's nothing.
Or rather it's nothing we here, in this world, can address beyond the elegance of the declaration : all men are created equal.
We agree, of course, but so what?
Does it mean we all look alike? We all weigh the same? Have the same hair color or nose size? Not in the least. Does it mean we're all equally smart, equally fast, equally quick, equally determined, equally competent at all equally available things? No, it doesn't mean that either. Does it guarantee in some Constitutional way that we'll all be equally successful, equally wealthy, equally positioned within an equal social & cultural context, equally shared? Of course not.
To say all men are created equal is to say only that all men are equal before God and -- or so we hope -- the Law. But the law is a very human thing, made by humans, administered by humans, and subject perpetually to human error. So the fact of our philosophical equality before it does not and cannot guarantee our perfect equality before the human understanding and administration of that law.
So what does it truly mean to say we are equal? It means that God considers us all the same.
But beyond that holy truth, we are as different as snowflakes. Born with unequal sets of genetic luggage, we walk into the unequal lives our unequal parents unequally made. Gifted with entirely different sets of talents, abilities, proclivities, strengths, weaknesses, tendencies, preferences, ambitions and fears...we each wrestle the very same question: what are we to do? How we answer that question produces, of course, nothing but more inequalities.
Truthfully, we wouldn't have it any other way. We strive, not to be the same as everyone else, but to be better, to achieve more, to make an 'unequal' life for our children which is better than the unequal life our parents made for us. And on it goes.
So given this understand, what then is Racial Equality?
Well, it's the same as any other kind of demographic 'equality'. It's an empty trope, a sounding brass. What could it possibly mean -- for Black people to be equal to Asian people to be equal to White People who are equal to Brown People (and every skin tone shade in between)? Quite obviously these things aren't true and can never be true in any kind of real world, tangible way: just line us up and look at us. Look at what we've done with our lives. Look at anything or everything and all you'll see is Difference.
Ah, but what about the Law of Large Numbers? Would we expect -- shouldn't we expect -- that equivalently unequal populations of individuals, taken as a massive group, demonstrate some kind of magical equal achievement averages, over time, in the long run? The best we can say is Maybe. Maybe, given a constant social & cultural equality of context across all populations, then maybe those large numbers over time balance out. But our social & cultural contexts aren't equal. Growing-up in a small town is vastly different from growing up in the inner city. Growing up with one parent is vastly different from growing-up with two. Having a drug addict for a brother is different from a brother who’s a valedictorian. To Glenn's very point, the 'developmentals' are not the same, and until or unless the State acts to standardize everyone’s ‘developmentals’.... to remove every child from that child's home and give him or her to the State to be raised within the loving embrace of the State, within a State home, taught by State Teachers, in a State approved fashion...those developmentals will never be the same.
And the ‘long run – over time’ question? Heck, I’d give it 2000 years – just a small moment carved from eternity. Come back to me when we have that data which measures the nature of social & cultural cross-group equality as we compare the year 1000 with the year 3000. Or what the heck, what about the comparison of the year 1000 with 2000? Just one measly millennium. That’s not asking too much is it? Well we can’t do that either. We think the ‘long run’ is two generations, maybe three. And of course it’s not, not if we want the ‘law of large numbers’ to be impactful.
As for Affirmative Action & Reparations, neither works. . Nor can we reasonably believe they should work. The NBA has existed for 77 years. 71% of the NBA is Black. 66% of the population is White. This is, no doubt about it, a massive racial inequality. Three generations of players have come & gone and STILL we have this massive outcome imbalance. Doesn’t AAction tell us we should be acting to fix that? Shouldn’t we be altering entrance standards (like playing outstanding college ball) to allow the ’lesser qualified’ (those who didn’t make their college teams) a place on the professional bench?
God no. No one wants that. No one is even asking for that because we all understand, intuitively, that two wrongs do not make a right. Mandating a ‘racially equal’ basketball team mandates Mediocrity AND it cheats those more qualified out of their NBA opportunity. The End, no matter how glorious it might sound, does not and cannot justify the Means. Because someone at some point in the past – who looked vaguely like me -- discriminated against someone else who looked vaguely like you...the fact of that wrongful discrimination does not mean that I owe you anything. It does not even mean that you are in any way owed. Two differently colored newborns in the nursery lying side-by-side do not enter the world with either an account payable or an account due.
So what remains?
The same thing that always remains:
“It matters not how strait the gate..... How charged with punishments the scroll... I am the master of my fate... I am the captain of my soul.
Unequal at birth, unequal in life we can only do what we have ever done which is, always and forever, ‘the best we can’. Where that best effort ends-up, how our life is then summed:
“We believe... in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that’s no matter – tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther….And one fine morning — So we beat on, boats against the current...”
What else is there?
Glenn, I’m struck by how little you and Randall actually disagree on substance. It mostly seems to be a difference in how you react emotionally to data that leads you rationally to pretty similar conclusions.
Data? Lol!!!! The group wealth of blacks of less than 2% hasn't since the ever of the American Civil War, at which time there were 400 thousand semi-free blacks and 4 million slaves. Freed blacks left the plantations with just the clothes on their backs (no money, no food, no land, no tools, no firearms to protect themselves, etc. Many were forced back into semi-slavery as exploited sharecroppers. Don't forget the peonage.
European immigrants got the headstart with 2 billion acres of Indian land, abundant free African labor, and Jim Crow. During Jim Crow, blacks were excluded from Social Security benefits (domestic & farm workers), GI benefits in the South where whites controlled the dispensing, FHA mortgages, etc. FDR's New Deal programs mostly benefited whites who built equity.
According to studies, it will take about 230 years for blacks to catch up with average individual white wealth. Massive generational wealth and power were maldistributed to whites through institutionalized slavery and apartheid.
Racism is a competitive relationship between groups for ownership and control of resources for wealth and power---a team sport. Whites got the headstart with blacks never being part of the race. Moreover, the first constitution was the white affirmative action program. It was written in broad and ambiguous language to camouflage the hypocrisy of slavery.
We are no longer a binary nation because of the 1965 immigration law which has been a major disaster for blacks who have earned benefits. Immigrants have ridden in on the coattails of great black sacrifice. And white women have mostly benefitted from affirmative action.
Whites on the left and right are using the buffer class (e.g., Hispanics, Asians, and whatnot) to insulate themselves from seriously addressing the benign neglect of black issues. Liberals just shuffle the chairs on a sinking ship to make blacks feel happy. On the other hand, conservatives just sink the ship.
We have black bootlicks on both the left and right, from "fish fry" Congressman James Cylburn to Senator Tim Scott. The Black leadership class, politicians, preachers, entertainers, and athletes aren't providing sufficient cohesive leadership. Social integration severely damaged black cohesiveness.
Blacks left their communities where small businesses were more present, and allowed other minority cohesive groups (i.e., Hispanics) to move in and replace them. Billions of dollars are now being spent on undocumented Hispanic immigrants. They're being sent to black communities where resources are very limited.
Jim Crow Joe Biden, in a post-election conference call with black leaders, said that the Hispanic population has surpassed the black population in America and that whites need to pay more attention to them. Furthermore, he recommended that blacks get along better with Hispanics. Lol!!!!
Minority groups are fighting for the leftovers. 40 years from now? Diversity diverts resources. Lol!!!!
I would like to see Glenn having a conversation with Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor. Then with Minister Louis Farrakhan. Data? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Tonight while traveling, I find myself in the middle of nowhere in Big Piney, Wyoming. I check into this old but clean motel, settle down, grab a chair outside, watch the sunset and have a chance to read about this discussion/debate by 2 intelligent, well read, well written, intellectual academics.
Before I can finish, a carload of black guys roll up and start arguing with one another. F and N words flying, a local mother gathers up her young son who is staring with mouth agape at the increasing loud incident. As the mother starts walking away, the kid is pointing in their direction saying, "Mom, he said he's gonna kill him, he's gonna kill him."
I gather my things and head to my room thinking. These guys are keeping the stereotype alive, and this is as good as it gets.
Tic-tac-toe is a children's game, spiral. Grow up MF!
"In 1854, Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote the chapter "Poor White Trash" in her book A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin. Stowe wrote that slavery not only produces "degraded, miserable slaves", but also "a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe." The plantation system forced those whites to struggle for subsistence, becoming an "inconceivably brutal" group resembling "some blind, savage monster, which, when aroused, tramples heedlessly over everything in its way." Beyond economic factors, Stowe traces the existence of this class to the shortage of schools and churches in their communities, and remarks that both blacks and whites in the area look down on these "poor white trash".
I'm vacationing in beautiful South Lake Tahoe, wasting my time and energy on an ignorant "cracker"---spiral. You need to spiral down the sewer in Wyoming.
Thomas Sowell relates that the whites have their niggers and the blacks have their rednecks. Perhaps, you, spiral, should brush up on McWhinny and Sowell to improve your deficient "cracker" intellectual dishonesty. Studies have shown that blacks from the Caribbean, not exposed to the antebellum southern cracker culture, have done very well in America. Ditto for the Nigerians.
The antebellum southern cracker culture emanated from the old cracker culture in northern England, Wales, Ireland, and Scotland. The culture involved high illiteracy, sexual promiscuity, clan violence, herdsmen, pleasure for the sake of pleasure, etc. Fredrick Douglas confirmed the above during his visit to Ireland in the 1950s during the potato famine. Anglo-Saxons considered the Celtics inferior, offering no assistance to minimize the 1 million Irish who starved to death. Furthermore, Douglas recommended against Irish immigration to America, being concerned about the Irish competing for limited employment with the semi-freed blacks in the north (e.g., New York).
The English would normally settle the Celtics in Indian Territory as a buffer. These two groups had different value systems and ways of life. In the old cracker culture in the British Isles, the men would practice castration during mutual combat. Castrations of black men in the antebellum South?
Spiral is a sorry-ass white racist propagandist who needs to be brutally punked without mercy. I used to rescue nuisances like him from Aryan Brotherhood prison gang rape during my long career in the prison industrial complex. Hundreds of sutures on where the sun doesn't shine and infinite best rest on the bunk with belly down. A new drug mule was then born for the AB prison gang. The former leaders of the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers are now screaming out for mercy, "help me, momma... I can't breathe... don't hurt me...please spare my manhood." 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Why so vitriolically angry?
What, in Spiral's observation that the behavior he witnessed is, indeed, the source of certain stereotypes, do you find so obscenely objectionable?
In fact, as we all know. stereotypes exist because enough people have seen enough evidence on enough occasions to create the 'simplified image' or understanding of "X" whatever "X" may be. First impressions are based on stereotypes. Our conversations are filled with them. We all use them, rightly or wrongly...accurately or inaccurately....explicitly or implicitly. They exist because they contain, on average, a certain element of truth (they can be useful shorthand summaries....as in "He's your typical football player"); they're dangerous, especially if used indiscriminately, because they also contain a significant exaggeration or untruth. They also, needless to say, do not universally apply to everyone who shares that category. Brian May, as a for instance, does not really fit the stereotype of 'lead guitarist for a major rock band'.
If you google the word 'stereotype' and combine that with 'WalMart shoppers'... 'Valley Girls'....'Goths'....'Teenage Gangs'....'Football Players'.... 'Karens'.... 'businessman'.... 'addict'....'Feminist'... 'Gay'.... 'Computer Guy'... you name it....you'll find a collection of images and descriptions which play off the stereotypical understanding of each one of those categories.
If Spiral had said, speaking of a ComicCon he happened to visit, and the people he saw gushing enthusiastically about the costume accuracy of the latest Thor movie, "these guys are keeping the stereotype alive"...would you find that equally disturbing?
Of course one way to avoid such kneejerk stereotyping is to pay attention to what is actually being said...vs what we may fear is being said or implied or even felt. Easy to say, sometimes hard to do.
... stereotyping? Becky is here rolling on
the floor with uncontrollable laughter. She's wondering how spiral compensates for his very small manhood. Why did insecure great-grandpa castrate black men during the Jim Crow era in connection to white women? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't apologize for my so-called vitriol comments about a bigoted clown like spiral. Spiral is a passive-aggressive loser. Spiral has a backstory that encompasses a pattern of denigrating comments about the descendants of American slavery and the savage legacy of Jim Crow (semi-slavery).
My career involved working in a very ruthless environment around assholes like spiral. It makes no logical sense to sing, "We Shall Overcome" when some asshole is crushing your head in with various sorts of inanimate objects, figuratively speaking.
If spiral wants to have real adulterated discussions without the childish games (passive-aggressive bullshit), I have no problems. I would respect him more if he wore a blood-stained white hood or sported a swastika, expressing more direct feelings.
BTW, you would have been an interesting nerd to manage.
Ah, so you and Spiral have a history?
And your vitriol has nothing to do with the substance of his comment here, which stands alone and seems inarguable, but with something he said somewhere else, at some other time, on some other subject, to someone else, that evidently tweaked (and still tweaks) your exquisite sensitivities intolerably???
Well...nothing we can say to that. The rest of us have no idea what you think you've read or how you might have imagined it; we can only marvel at the response. Oh well.
You would be much better served restricting your sputtering rants to the subject at hand, but hey -- feel free. You have my permission to rant to your heart's content.
Good luck, my friend; I'm afraid you'll need it.
You control nothing here buttercup. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
you know , people in the struggle and those who critiqued need to accept the world has changed . we are not a black and white nation , we are truly diverse and in ways binary thinking no longer serves a purpose
Racism is a competitive relationship between groups for ownership and control of resources for wealth and power---a team sport. For example, Koreans own and control the billion-dollar black hair care products industry, and vehemently refuse to assist black entrepreneurs into the business. There are many Asian businesses in black communities, transferring wealth back to their communities. Asians will not allow small black businesses in their communities. In predominantly black Detroit, the Arabs own and control most of the gas stations. Where are the prosperous black towns like the prosperous Chinatowns? Black folks got bamboozled with integration. The Asians bounce money around in their communities several times before it leaves. Blacks: Zero! Social integration is immeasurable; it can't be deposited into the bank. Blacks tend to look out for everyone except for themselves. Immigration and diversity aren't in the best interests of blacks. Liberals just shuffle the chairs on a sinking ship to make blacks feel happy when billions of dollars are being directed to hordes of undocumented Hispanics being placed in black communities with very limited resources. On the other hand, conservatives just sink the ship, preserving the status quo of wealth and power. Blacks need to wake the fuck up and get into the race, which was started by the Portuguese. Racism will be here until the end of days.